Hackintosh

sureshk

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Guys, is it appropriate to ask about hackintosh in this forum ?

Moved from GH to ATA
-ViRGE
 
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sureshk

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Yes, that's fine. Though note that we're a hardware forum, so we're assuming you've already purchased a copy of OS X and are working on what hardware you need and how to install it.

I'd suggest starting with Kaido's great thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2293539

Hi thx for moving the thread and the link too. Sadly I thk my idea of a hack would be not encouraged as my rig is an amd based rig....

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ViRGE

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Hi thx for moving the thread and the link too. Sadly I thk my idea of a hack would be not encouraged as my rig is an amd based rig....
AMD processors aren't impossible to use, but they're not very good choices. The best Hacks are computers as close as possible in configuration to existing Mac designs, so anything with an AMD CPU deviates from that by a pretty large degree.
 

dma0991

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Its been years since I've last thought of making a Hackintosh. I've done my research a year or two ago but it waned off. Its partly due to its complexity, from careful hardware choice to match the hardware that Apple uses for all of their Macs to the compatibility of kexts with the hardware. It is counterintuitive for an Apple-esque product to be difficult to put together based on their mantra "It just works".

If the appeal is merely for Mac OS, without the need for the performance of a Mac Pro clone, its better and easier to just get the cheapest Mac Mini. The cheapest Mac Mini may not be as cheap as a comparable Hackintosh of similar performance but its the cheapest Mac OS computer and no headache to deal with.

Another easier but still cheap option could using an Intel NUC and build your Hackintosh from there. But if you're into the thrill of making one from scratch, patience and money to spare, by all means go ahead with it.
 

sureshk

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Its been years since I've last thought of making a Hackintosh. I've done my research a year or two ago but it waned off. Its partly due to its complexity, from careful hardware choice to match the hardware that Apple uses for all of their Macs to the compatibility of kexts with the hardware. It is counterintuitive for an Apple-esque product to be difficult to put together based on their mantra "It just works".

If the appeal is merely for Mac OS, without the need for the performance of a Mac Pro clone, its better and easier to just get the cheapest Mac Mini. The cheapest Mac Mini may not be as cheap as a comparable Hackintosh of similar performance but its the cheapest Mac OS computer and no headache to deal with.

Another easier but still cheap option could using an Intel NUC and build your Hackintosh from there. But if you're into the thrill of making one from scratch, patience and money to spare, by all means go ahead with it.


....true, my idea of a hack would not be to match a Mac Pro, just need an OSX. The option to obtain a Mini would be logical. sadly in the part of the world which i live in...... a Mini from the year of 2006 would still cost around $600. That is, if i am lucky to grab it first.

That being the case, me already owning the above rig, would be a much less expensive option.

Seriously, i am a super noob to Hackintosh. I dont even know what an Intel NUC is! Thanks though.
 

sureshk

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AMD processors aren't impossible to use, but they're not very good choices. The best Hacks are computers as close as possible in configuration to existing Mac designs, so anything with an AMD CPU deviates from that by a pretty large degree.

That being the case....its not advisable to do it...i suppose.
 

TheStu

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....true, my idea of a hack would not be to match a Mac Pro, just need an OSX. The option to obtain a Mini would be logical. sadly in the part of the world which i live in...... a Mini from the year of 2006 would still cost around $600. That is, if i am lucky to grab it first.

That being the case, me already owning the above rig, would be a much less expensive option.

Seriously, i am a super noob to Hackintosh. I dont even know what an Intel NUC is! Thanks though.

NUC = Next Unit of Computing. It's intel's super small system. 4" to a side, and a couple inches tall.
 

Kaido

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Ugh. That thread is disorganized and doesn't contain any useful information.

It's more of an introduction & discussion thread. Tonymac's made it entirely too easy to build a solid Hackintosh rig, not much 'splainin to do these days :thumbsup:
 

Kaido

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....true, my idea of a hack would not be to match a Mac Pro, just need an OSX. The option to obtain a Mini would be logical. sadly in the part of the world which i live in...... a Mini from the year of 2006 would still cost around $600. That is, if i am lucky to grab it first.

That being the case, me already owning the above rig, would be a much less expensive option.

Seriously, i am a super noob to Hackintosh. I dont even know what an Intel NUC is! Thanks though.

You can start out pretty basic...grab a compatible motherboard & GPU, an i3 CPU, a 4GB RAM stick, and a basic hard drive & have at it! Later on, you can upgrade to an i7, 32GB of RAM, an SSD, etc. The nice thing about Hackintosh is you can piecemeal your upgrades, so you're not stuck investing a huge amount of money, and if OSX doesn't work out for you, you can always switch back to Windows (or Linux).

What are you planning on doing with it, and what is your budget? Do you want to do video, or do you just want to get your feet wet in the Mac world?
 

Rakehellion

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It's more of an introduction & discussion thread. Tonymac's made it entirely too easy to build a solid Hackintosh rig, not much 'splainin to do these days :thumbsup:

Meh. I tried the software and couldn't get it to work.
 

dma0991

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That being the case, me already owning the above rig, would be a much less expensive option.
It can't be considered as a "much less expensive option" when an AMD based PC is borderline impossible to being more difficult to put together than an Intel based PC, aside from stability issues. If there are no Apple Store where you live, then consider the Intel NUC if available. Its easier to get it right as there are less variation in hardware and there's an abundance of tutorial on how do a Hackintosh with an Intel NUC.

But personally, I'd still go with a Mac Mini (for Xcode) because a fully equipped Intel NUC with RAM and SSD can cost almost as much as a basic Mac Mini.
 

Kaido

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It can't be considered as a "much less expensive option" when an AMD based PC is borderline impossible to being more difficult to put together than an Intel based PC, aside from stability issues. If there are no Apple Store where you live, then consider the Intel NUC if available. Its easier to get it right as there are less variation in hardware and there's an abundance of tutorial on how do a Hackintosh with an Intel NUC.

But personally, I'd still go with a Mac Mini (for Xcode) because a fully equipped Intel NUC with RAM and SSD can cost almost as much as a basic Mac Mini.

My only hesitation with suggesting a NUC is that there are some known issues with it. There's a good primer here:

http://www.tonymacx86.com/419-customac-nano-prebuilt-micro-pc.html

More specifically:

Unfortunately, there are drawbacks to these little systems. In addition to the obvious lack of ports and expandability, they simply aren't as compatible as our standard CustoMac recommendations when running OS X. Therefore we don't recommend these systems for beginners. After some experimentation, we were able to get our test systems working well with only a few outstanding problems. As with latest non-Gigabyte 8-series systems, the UEFI BIOS does not boot "legacy mode" or GUID formatted drives with Chimera/Chameleon. For post-installation, as with most systems, HDMI audio requires extra effort and workarounds including kext patching and DSDT/SSDT edits. Headphone audio is not native, and requires alternate methods such as VoodooHDA to enable. In addition, in most cases the included wifi and bluetooth is incompatible, requiring a replacement mini PCIe card for wifi, and a USB dongle for bluetooth. Finally, CPU and GPU power management may not be supported, and the system requires a patched kernel to boot OS X.

The other aspect they don't mention is that there isn't a tremendous cost savings involved when you compare it to a Mac Mini, which starts at $599:

http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/mac-mini

The least-expensive Tonymac-recommended NUC model is $279: (with a catch!)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856102053

The catch is that you still have to add in an mSATA SSD (no 2.5" option unless you buy a more expensive NUC model), RAM, and optionally a Wireless card. And then you have to deal with the formatting issue, HDMI audio patching, non-native headphone support, and finding compatible 802.11 & BT chips. Those aren't huge obstacles by any means, but by the time you add everything up, for another hundred bucks you can make the jump from an i3 NUC to an i5 Mac Mini & not have any issues at all.

I think that Hackintosh makes the most sense when you want a Mac Pro "Lite" - a basic desktop with an i-series desktop processor, the ability to choose your own GPU, select your own drives, that sort of thing. Something that doesn't cost in the $3,000 to $10,000 range like the Mac Pro does, but still gives you a fair bit of power without being locked into the AIO design of the iMac.
 

h2co32

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Nonetheless, the challenge of building the NUC (the software challenges at least) could be satisfying for someone. But I agree, the cost savings are negligible when you consider the cost of everything else. The size is noticeably smaller though.
 

TheStu

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Nonetheless, the challenge of building the NUC (the software challenges at least) could be satisfying for someone. But I agree, the cost savings are negligible when you consider the cost of everything else. The size is noticeably smaller though.

When you factor in the external PSU on the NUC, the size difference isn't all that great anymore. Plus the Mini can hold 2 2.5" drives.
 

Kaido

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When you factor in the external PSU on the NUC, the size difference isn't all that great anymore. Plus the Mini can hold 2 2.5" drives.

Yeah, that's a good point - the NUC has a laptop-style brick-in-the-middle power cord. It is way smaller than the Mac Mini though, which is cool, but you're also stuck buying a mSATA SSD. The new BRIX Pro models have an additional 2.5" drive, but they're pretty noisy. I believe the Intel 2.5" model is out now as well, but then again, you get a minimum i5 in the Mini, which is also nice. And no weirdness with the file structure or anything. I hate not to recommend a NUC for an application, because I'm a huge fan & install them pretty much weekly these days in work environments, but this is one of those "maybe it's better to buy a Mac" situations imo.
 

sureshk

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You can start out pretty basic...grab a compatible motherboard & GPU, an i3 CPU, a 4GB RAM stick, and a basic hard drive & have at it! Later on, you can upgrade to an i7, 32GB of RAM, an SSD, etc. The nice thing about Hackintosh is you can piecemeal your upgrades, so you're not stuck investing a huge amount of money, and if OSX doesn't work out for you, you can always switch back to Windows (or Linux).

What are you planning on doing with it, and what is your budget? Do you want to do video, or do you just want to get your feet wet in the Mac world?


Thx for your reply Kaido, a good piece of advise. I plan to use the hack as a file deposit bank and server for my home network. Since windows easily get infected, I thought osx would be a much better option. Currently budget is non existent, but like u said, one at a time.
 

dma0991

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Thx for your reply Kaido, a good piece of advise. I plan to use the hack as a file deposit bank and server for my home network. Since windows easily get infected, I thought osx would be a much better option. Currently budget is non existent, but like u said, one at a time.
Its been a very long time since that ever happened to me. Undoubtedly Windows would require an antivirus but it should not be an issue if your server does not contain any illegally downloaded materials, where viruses, trojans, worms can be sideloaded. Also, I'm assuming this is for personal use, therefore unlikely to have any data that are important enough to entice any potential hackers.

Mac OS does get infected from time to time. It isn't an impenetrable fortress. Since you're paranoid of Windows and have an AMD based machine, go with Linux instead. There are plenty of Linux server distro out there and they're free.
 

Kaido

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Thx for your reply Kaido, a good piece of advise. I plan to use the hack as a file deposit bank and server for my home network. Since windows easily get infected, I thought osx would be a much better option. Currently budget is non existent, but like u said, one at a time.

You could always convert your rig to a FreeNAS storage appliance:

http://www.freenas.org/
 

Rakehellion

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Did you have compatible hardware, and did you follow the instructions?

Those are pretty much the same question. There are a number of different websites that outline the process and they all have different instructions, different tools to use, and different compatibility lists.

I've encountered numerous issues from installation to creating the boot disk. It isn't straightforward at all.
 
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