Haiti: Obama's Katrina

[JohnOfSheffield]

then you seem to be an idiot.

we sent some cash and the USS Abe Lincoln to the area to help out.

sure he sent less cash overseas then obama, but thats a real big damn surprise, Obama sends TONS of money EVERYWHERE!

Oh, so GW actually did something, like sending a ship that was on route already and paying authorities who did nothing?

My point is that just as GW couldn't very well do much, nor can Obama.

If you read and comprehend then discussing will be easier for you, you don't need to bite my head off because i'm pissing on your hero, i'll keep pissing on him for many other things, this isn't really one of them anyway.

 

[CPA]

If it had been GW he'd invade Norway and people like you would say it was totally justified.

The western world is in the middle of a deep recession, there will be help but it will be a joint effort.

I seem to remember a tsunami and a GW who didn't even know nor care about it?

If you're talking about the 2004 tsunami, then I'm callin' BS on your statement. The US gave $35M, as well as directing several naval vessels to the area on the day it happened, and then upped it to over $350M four days later, then upped it again to $1B shortly after that. What did your grand utopia of Britain give? Oh, about $145M.

 

[kage69]

Obama's Katrina? What a stupid assertion.

After the obvious distinction that Haiti isn't an American responsibility, only an idiotic troll would ascribe that kind of moniker to Obama - what with Bush's Katrina poochfvck involving so many veritable criminal-like lapses in judgment and action. Don't forget the Bush era nepotism which made FEMA's Brown so darn memorable too.
Are there any videos of Obama sitting through hour long meetings concerning this disaster, without asking a single question? Did Obama himself go to a ball game while people are still extricating themselves from the initial fallout?

Give me a friggin break! The amazing thing here is Obama is acting in a more swift and effective manner to a foreign emergency than his predecessor did with a domestic one, yet the trolls will somehow be able to blame him for something here.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Plus Bush had an unjust war based on lies to pay for.

And Afghanistan is a just war...worth the cost of money and lives?

 

[Arkaign]

Very true, it's like the tsunami, if people had known what was coming, they would have gotten the fuck out of dodge.

Of course, the problem with Katrina was that some people did stay and after that, all the material damage that had been done.

I doubt much more could have been done about Katrina though, those there were not going to leave anyway and after the fact, there wasn't much that could be done.

With all due respect, I think you might not grasp what happened with Katrina and the aftermath.

There is a lot of blame to go around, here are some highlights :

(1)- People unwilling or unable to leave the area. (you mentioned this)

(2)- Disagreement and doubt about whether or not the levees would hold. Mobilization of the resources necessary to deal with the potential consequences of the levees breaking didn't happen.

(3)- EPIC communication failures between state and federal agencies, and with civilian relief agencies which for the most part had to go it their own way.

In the final analysis of the situation, one can really only come to the conclusion that FEMA should have been a lot more proactive about taking over the situation when it became clear that things were wildly out of control. FEMA was still suffering the political destabilization that occurred as a result of being folded under DHS directive, which was in many people's minds a confusing move. Sure, FEMA and DHS should talk effectively in the situations which warrant it, but they serve vastly different functions and should never have been merged in the way they were. The final insult was that the head of FEMA was one of the worst appointments ever made. The guy had ZERO work history, knowledge, or even common sense ability to do the job he was tasked to do. He was a purely political appointment that made terrible sense, and by not rising to the task he and his agency failed to save many lives during that ordeal due to unnecessary negligence and incompetence. Do I think Bush planned this on purpose? Of course not, it was just a cronyist move that backfired.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Not that you care, but voodoo has nothing to do with lucifer.

The reason he said it is because he's a spiteful sack of shit.

Oh really what does Voodoo have to do with. Oh I understand how it works . But it is a form of evil worship don't try to clean it up. You have no idea . The power of the mind , but there is light and there is darkness.

 

[Red Dawn]

And Afghanistan is a just war...worth the cost of money and lives?

It was until Bush fucked the pooch and invaded Iraq. Now Obama's trying to reverse the damage but I think it's too late for that. Hey I'm not the President, I can afford to be pessimistic.

 

[Zargon]

Oh, so GW actually did something, like sending a ship that was on route already and paying authorities who did nothing?

My point is that just as GW couldn't very well do much, nor can Obama.

If you read and comprehend then discussing will be easier for you, you don't need to bite my head off because i'm pissing on your hero, i'll keep pissing on him for many other things, this isn't really one of them anyway.

I didnt realize you had the classified deployments of the Abe Lincoln in your possesion to know that sans Tsunami it was going there anyways

If you actually made the point instead of looking like you were tossing out a craptistically false attack at GW, maybe you would get a better response. GWB is certainly not my hero, but its nice to see that me pointing out your incorrect information makes me the asshole and not you

 

[Red Dawn]

Oh really what does Voodoo have to do with. Oh I understand how it works . But it is a form of evil worship don't try to clean it up. You have no idea . The power of the mind , but there is light and there is darkness.

I think a Witch Doctor has been sticking pins in your doll

 

[Zargon]

In the final analysis of the situation, one can really only come to the conclusion that FEMA should have been a lot more proactive about taking over the situation when it became clear that things were wildly out of control. FEMA was still suffering the political destabilization that occurred as a result of being folded under DHS directive, which was in many people's minds a confusing move. Sure, FEMA and DHS should talk effectively in the situations which warrant it, but they serve vastly different functions and should never have been merged in the way they were. The final insult was that the head of FEMA was one of the worst appointments ever made. The guy had ZERO work history, knowledge, or even common sense ability to do the job he was tasked to do. He was a purely political appointment that made terrible sense, and by not rising to the task he and his agency failed to save many lives during that ordeal due to unnecessary negligence and incompetence. Do I think Bush planned this on purpose? Of course not, it was just a cronyist move that backfired.

Don't forget how much the inept local/state government screwed the pooch constantly. failing to do any recquired paperwork after multiple requests, stealing stuff from local citizines and refusing to give it back untill the us federal courts made them ETC. the whole place was a damn nightmare on all levels

 

[Nemesis 1]

The cost of Katrina to the U.S. is supposed to be in the $200+ billion range. You want Mr. Obama to authorize spending on that level to help a foreign nation?

Yes I do . That is a change I can support. Its only paper for cring out load.

 

[Thump553]

And Afghanistan is a just war...worth the cost of money and lives?

I don't recall you preaching turn the other cheek when we invaded Afganistan in retaliation for 9/11. Is my memory faulty-or has the war against AQ and the Taliban suddenly become wrong because Obama is the President now?

 

[Nemesis 1]

I think a Witch Doctor has been sticking pins in your doll

I am very sure but It would have no effect.

 

[ayabe]

Oh really what does Voodoo have to do with. Oh I understand how it works . But it is a form of evil worship don't try to clean it up. You have no idea . The power of the mind , but there is light and there is darkness.

Petwo has nothing to do with satan and has nothing to do with evil. But please continue wallowing in your own ignorance.

 

[Red Dawn]

I am very sure but It would have no effect.

No but Lithium would.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Obama's Katrina? What a stupid assertion.

After the obvious distinction that Haiti isn't an American responsibility,

You were doing good up till this point. After that you seemed to descend into the typical ignorant bush bashing we see here all the time. Anyone who continues to try to blame the aftermath of Katrina on Bush is a moron who didn't pay attention to the FACTS.

 

[Arkaign]

Don't forget how much the inept local/state government screwed the pooch constantly. failing to do any recquired paperwork after multiple requests, stealing stuff from local citizines and refusing to give it back untill the us federal courts made them ETC. the whole place was a damn nightmare on all levels

Oh definitely. I should have stated that more strongly in my post. The main failure at federal level in my mind was not reacting more quickly to the utter inability of state and local agencies to do basically anything. Given the magnitude and nature of the situation (natural disaster), a temporary state of martial law with complete federal control of disaster relief should have been declared almost immediately, until such time as the local and state gov't got it's collective head out it's butt. I'm sure Bush would have taken some flak from the usual suspects on that, but it would have been infinitely preferable to just letting everything go to total shit.

 

[ayabe]

You were doing good up till this point. After that you seemed to descend into the typical ignorant bush bashing we see here all the time. Anyone who continues to try to blame the aftermath of Katrina on Bush is a moron who didn't pay attention to the FACTS.

So appointing an unqualified twit to run FEMA had no impact whatsoever on the response?

Heckuva claim there CADDY.

 

[Red Dawn]

Excuse me, I'm apologizing for Bush.

:twisted:

 

[Zargon]

most of the 'lack of response time' had everything to do with the LA state government. not the retard that was head of FEMA. but lets not act like stupid crony appointments is a thing of the past

 

[Synomenon]

Katrina happened in the US. This happened in a foreign country. I'm not saying that we shouldn't help them, but you can't compare GW <-> Katrina to Obama <-> Haiti.

 

[Arkaign]

You were doing good up till this point. After that you seemed to descend into the typical ignorant bush bashing we see here all the time. Anyone who continues to try to blame the aftermath of Katrina on Bush is a moron who didn't pay attention to the FACTS.

Katrina was technically God's fault if you're a believer, but as far as the aftermath and gov't handling goes, Bush didn't exactly do a great job there. First there was the laughably bad appointment for the FEMA chief. Then when it was obvious to everyone that things were utterly broken in terms of relief organization he really didn't have any input on solutions.

Regardless of who was in the WH, Bush, Reagan, Clinton, Obama, Miley Cyrus, anybody ... the handling of Katrina was a disaster at every level starting from local all the way up to the federal gov't. And like any good chain of command, a good portion of responsibility lies at the top. This also applies to a lot of situations now where Obama is remiss in duty or reaction. Natural disasters outside the USA though, that doesn't explicitly entail any duty by the POTUS or the US taxpayers. What we give is just us being nice, we're not legally bound at any level to do so.

 

[Arkaign]

most of the 'lack of response time' had everything to do with the LA state government. not the retard that was head of FEMA. but lets not act like stupid crony appointments is a thing of the past

The severe ineptitude at local and state level combined with stupidity of FEMA and Brown worked together to make a perfect storm. And boy are you correct that cronyism is alive and well just like always.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

So appointing an unqualified twit to run FEMA had no impact whatsoever on the response?

Heckuva claim there CADDY.

:twisted:

Ah look, the two people to step up and identify themselves as ignorant fools.

 

[Red Dawn]

Ah look, the two people to step up and identify themselves as ignorant fools.

So according to you Brownie did do a heck of a job..Buahahaha