Haiti: Obama's Katrina

[dmcowen674]

Those trying to defend Bush on Katrina screw you.

I was there, you were not.

 

[woolfe9999]

Haven't read the whole thread, so my apologies if this point was already made by someone.

The situation on the ground right now in Haiti is that there are massive logistical problems with the airport, seaports and roads. There is government and private aid trying to get in there with supplies and manpower but it is coming in a trickle due to Hati's poor infrustructure which was also damaged in the quake.

How anyone can blame Obama, the US, or anyone else trying to help right now when there are boats, planes and trucks that are stalled, circling and/or basically waiting in line to get in is beyond me.

- wolf

 

[soccerballtux]

Keeps the money flowing into Treasury from others, good for PR, and these are people we are talking about. Try and put yourself in another mans shoes (or in Haitis case bare feet) - it helps. Trust me.

So very well said. I used to hate illegal immigrants and welfare recipients, till I realized how much I'd been gifted with that I did not deserve.

 

[Craig234]

I don't think he thinks that. Keep in mind conservative mindset - all aid should come from private charity not federal.

Course with clowns like Pat, who doesn't even know Haiti is 90% Christian and thinks they worship voodoo dolls my guess is Private charity won't shore up the damage. Certainly not from his flock.

Why praise ideology? DOn't use any common sense, just look up page 15 of the religious book of conservatism where it says 'thou shalt use private aqid not federal aid'.

Idiots who blindly follow ideology are a big, big problem.

It's not rational and creates a herd mentality to do bad things and not ask about errros.

 

[soccerballtux]

Haven't read the whole thread, so my apologies if this point was already made by someone.

The situation on the ground right now in Haiti is that there are massive logistical problems with the airport, seaports and roads. There is government and private aid trying to get in there with supplies and manpower but it is coming in a trickle due to Hati's poor infrustructure which was also damaged in the quake.

How anyone can blame Obama, the US, or anyone else trying to help right now when there are boats, planes and trucks that are stalled, circling and/or basically waiting in line to get in is beyond me.

- wolf

That's exactly what happened with Katrina, everybody knows this.

 

[Robor]

Is this meant to be sarcastic?

I doubt it. Looks like a troll post followed by realization of failure and pwnership then abandonment of the thread.

Edit: Never mind... He's back.

I'd still like to hear how THIS is Obama's Katrina. How Obama failed. According to THIS the US aid first touched down Wednesday afternoon.

 

[Craig234]

So very well said. I used to hate illegal immigrants and welfare recipients, till I realized how much I'd been gifted with that I did not deserve.

Wow, that's not only the best post I ever remember seeing from you, it's a whole better levell of quality that surprised me, pleasantly. If my sarcasm meter was broken, I'm not pleased.

 

[Craig234]

Haven't read the whole thread, so my apologies if this point was already made by someone.

The situation on the ground right now in Haiti is that there are massive logistical problems with the airport, seaports and roads. There is government and private aid trying to get in there with supplies and manpower but it is coming in a trickle due to Hati's poor infrustructure which was also damaged in the quake.

How anyone can blame Obama, the US, or anyone else trying to help right now when there are boats, planes and trucks that are stalled, circling and/or basically waiting in line to get in is beyond me.

- wolf

Greetings space traveller. Let me introduce you to our right wing ideologues. See my post above for explanation.

 

[Fern]

Haven't read the whole thread, so my apologies if this point was already made by someone.

The situation on the ground right now in Haiti is that there are massive logistical problems with the airport, seaports and roads. There is government and private aid trying to get in there with supplies and manpower but it is coming in a trickle due to Hati's poor infrustructure which was also damaged in the quake.

How anyone can blame Obama, the US, or anyone else trying to help right now when there are boats, planes and trucks that are stalled, circling and/or basically waiting in line to get in is beyond me.

- wolf

That's exactly what happened with Katrina, everybody knows this.

Yeah, the I-10 corrider etc was devastated. Bridges were down etc, NOLA was cut-off.

As regards Haiti, I see no reason for critism of anybody's response so far. Because the destruction is so extreme, and the ability to maneurver around so limited I expect things be very difficult for some time.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

Don't forget how much the inept local/state government screwed the pooch constantly. failing to do any recquired paperwork after multiple requests, stealing stuff from local citizines and refusing to give it back untill the us federal courts made them ETC. the whole place was a damn nightmare on all levels

Blanco kept the National Guard and 82 Airborne out for days because she wanted to ask for assistance, but only if she was given overall command, which was not legal. She also prevented the Red Cross from bringing supplies to the stadium because she "didn't want to attract more people". Those things pretty much ended her career. Naigan refused to evacuate the city. Hell, he even made hotel staff mandatory personnel although he and his family left the city, purely by coincidence of course. (Of course, after Katrina hit Naigin is blameless, his resources scattered, destroyed, or under water.) About the worst thing you can say of Bush vis a vis Katrina is that a more competent director (which is to say pretty much any homeless person picked at random) might well have negotiated through these idiots and gotten relief in reasonably quickly. Actually a more competent president might have done the same, I suppose. But you're right, most of the problems were on the state and local level.

It wasn't quite as bad as the press made it out to be, though. Barber in particular did a fantastic job. And I knew two people at the time who returned (independently) to Bay Saint Louis on Day two to check on a mother and a son still living in the area. Both returned mad as hell - at the media. Both said there were national news crews on the street nearest the beach with the reporter toward the sea, showing these absolutely destroyed ruins of houses in the background and telling the world how these people had had no help, had no food, had no clean water. On the next street over were Red Cross field kitchen and emergency supply trucks, Tide mobile washer trucks, trucks handing out bottled water, etc. The reporters were literally looking at food, water and clothing being handed out while telling their audiences that these people had had no aid whatsoever. It was mainly New Orleans, which was hit much more lightly than adjacent Mississippi, that aid was kept from coming in for days.

 

[Zargon]

yeah I know about 80 people were there to help out with security.

 

[woolfe9999]

Yeah, the I-10 corrider etc was devastated. Bridges were down etc, NOLA was cut-off.

As regards Haiti, I see no reason for critism of anybody's response so far. Because the destruction is so extreme, and the ability to maneurver around so limited I expect things be very difficult for some time.

Fern

Just to be clear, I am not that interested in the comparison with Katrina, and whether the criticisms of Bush were valid or not. I have actually never in my life opined on that issue. With respect to Haiti, however, any sort of criticism at *this stage*, and in *these circumstances*, is totally delusional. And even *if* Bush was unfairly criticized, two wrongs do not make a right.

Trying to politicize what is going on in Haiti right now is utterly beneath contempt.

- wolf

 

[Ozoned]

Just to be clear, I am not that interested in the comparison with Katrina, and whether the criticisms of Bush were valid or not. I have actually never in my life opined on that issue. With respect to Haiti, however, any sort of criticism at *this stage*, and in *these circumstances*, is totally delusional. And even *if* Bush was unfairly criticized, two wrongs do not make a right.

Trying to politicize what is going on in Haiti right now is utterly beneath contempt.

- wolf

Doing it right,,,,so that there is a positive political outcome in your favor,,,that's OK, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk

 

[umbrella39]

Total fail OP. You guys are getting more pathetic by the day. It's fun to watch.

 

[werepossum]

Doing it right,,,,so that there is a positive political outcome in your favor,,,that's OK, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk

I would think that even the left would agree that Twinkle Toes is beneath contempt, even if useful. But that doesn't invalidate Wolf's point, that others doing it are also worthy of contempt.

 

[Zebo]

Why praise ideology? DOn't use any common sense, just look up page 15 of the religious book of conservatism where it says 'thou shalt use private aqid not federal aid'.

Idiots who blindly follow ideology are a big, big problem.

It's not rational and creates a herd mentality to do bad things and not ask about errros.

I didnt praise it. I know it doesnt work and didnt work back in the day - not to mention I understand redistribution is a 'evil' necessary for a healthy economy, at least internally. My point is like you say 007 has an ideology not easily shaken by human suffering - in fact if you ask them it's the welfare in the first place that causes the suffering.

 

[Nemesis 1]

He's fucked up on Ganja and still claims that it has no effects on his brain.

He says that science tells him that, i'm fairly sure he has an imaginary cat named science.

Stop all ready Red Dawn was directing that at me . and I don't do any drugs other than what I am getting from Mexico . Thats to help me not to get High.

Ya know something tho, you guys did make me think with the replies in this thread related to human misery . After intel came out with their qT report today. I decided to change what I am gifting to Haiti . Bob travels all around the World alot so we talked tonight and I asked if he would go to haite he said he would so . I uping what I am gifting to what ever intels stock price was yesterday to fridays close. . Dam It feels good to even tho Its going to be a hell of a year . One still has to be charitiable. Even with my own personal suffering I feel very blessed

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Just to be clear, I am not that interested in the comparison with Katrina, and whether the criticisms of Bush were valid or not. I have actually never in my life opined on that issue. With respect to Haiti, however, any sort of criticism at *this stage*, and in *these circumstances*, is totally delusional. And even *if* Bush was unfairly criticized, two wrongs do not make a right.

Trying to politicize what is going on in Haiti right now is utterly beneath contempt.

- wolf

I'm giving you official notice. If you don't stop making sense, I'm going to have to ban you

Seriously, I'm not a fan of Obama, but I realize that there's not much which can be done.

For the record, I don't hold Bush (whom I'll kick in the nads most days) to blame either. The main culprit was lack of communication, lack of leadership at the local and state level, and the general confusion which resulted.

I figure politicians do enough to get bitchslapped for. I don't have to make things up.

 

[dmcowen674]

Yeah, the I-10 corrider etc was devastated. Bridges were down etc, NOLA was cut-off.

I-10 from Baton Rouge was fine.

Lake Ponchartraiin bridge survived and was open for Emergency traffic.

So only 1 of 3 major road arteries was down.

Please state only facts, not fiction.

 

[sandorski]

YAOIABABTF(Yet Another Obama Is As Bad As Bush thread Fail)
Reasons:
1) No matter how you slice it, Obama is acting better in this situation than Bush did with Katrina
2) Even if Obama failed at point 1, it still doesn't justify 8 years of Bush failure

Thanks for the laughs.

 

[Strk]

It may sound horrible to say, but every country is the same way for the most part: foreigners don't count.

 

[Fear No Evil]

YAOIABABTF(Yet Another Obama Is As Bad As Bush thread Fail)
Reasons:
1) No matter how you slice it, Obama is acting better in this situation than Bush did with Katrina
2) Even if Obama failed at point 1, it still doesn't justify 8 years of Bush failure

Thanks for the laughs.

Obama is continuing both of Bush's wars. New Orleans is still complaining the problems aren't fixed. Spending under Obama has tripled. The incurred debt over the next 8 years will be the same as all the previous Presidents in the history of this country. Healthcare is even MORE expensive than it was last year. The Muslims still hate us.

Obama is taking 8 years of Bush's mistakes and making them seem like minor issues. What exactly has Obama fixed? He is GWB on steroids. He just sounds more intelligent as he's fucking us.

 

[Vic]

Because Haiti is a US territory and Haitians are US citizens??

WTF you people are stupid.

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/14/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1



As leader of the most successful nation on earth, Obama, the man who can pass a $1T stimulus bill with pork and stimulus up the wazoo for constituents, needs to get on the ball with this one and actually provide some HELP to these people. Rescuing 200 Americans doesn't count.

No problem trolling your boat up shit creek!

 

[werepossum]

I'm giving you official notice. If you don't stop making sense, I'm going to have to ban you

Seriously, I'm not a fan of Obama, but I realize that there's not much which can be done.

For the record, I don't hold Bush (whom I'll kick in the nads most days) to blame either. The main culprit was lack of communication, lack of leadership at the local and state level, and the general confusion which resulted.

I figure politicians do enough to get bitchslapped for. I don't have to make things up.

Agreed, except for the one thing: Brown. A stronger, more competent director could probably have bullied or shamed Blanco into not being a total horse's ass and gotten aid in faster. Even in an age of cronyism, that was a particularly bad appointment. Even if I accept Bush's statement that "Brownie" was doing "a heck of a job" at moving aid toward the stricken zone - and I have no particular reason to think that is true - the point of FEMA is not to move aid to stricken Americans once their politicians stop being ass hats, but to move aid to stricken Americans as soon as possible. It's hard to imagine a Mario Cuomo or a Rudy Giuliani waiting around while Blanco dithered and people suffered. Also, a department like FEMA pretty much runs by itself most of the time, without any "help" from its politically appointed boss, but a situation like this, with a recalcitrant governor trying to keep aid from getting in, is precisely when some extra political muscle might come in handy.