Halliburton Wins Iraq Contract

[rchiu]

Ok, so you're implying that Bush has instigated this war against Saddam in order to satisfy the Oil industry? Good gawd...you must be smoking the same stuff as moonbeam.

If you're not, then why even mention Bush/Cheney and oil if you don't think they will profit? Oh wait...you're just trying to stir controversy.

No, I am not implying, I am saying it is. One of the biggest oil company that has close tie with the administration is already benefitted, we shall see how many more lucrative projects and oil contract this administration will hand out.

Other arguments for war, WMD? Haven't seen it, and no evidance from administration so obviously they are not sure it existed too. Free Iraqi people? who goes around the world and free every people in the world from dictator? If the Administration wanna do that, they should've started with Cuba within few hundred miles of US. Link to al-qaeda? What link?

So what reason is there? Money, politics, personal grudges, and big Texas ego? What else is new.

 

[Thraxen]

Link to al-qaeda? What link?

There are known terrorist training camps in Iraq.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Link to al-qaeda? What link?

There are known terrorist training camps in Iraq.

maybe so but not to al-qaeda

 

[Moonbeam]

That gas you smell is from your last night's dinner at Taco Bell.
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You are just too cleaver for me conjur. I already stretched the rules here, in my opinion, elsewhere this forum. I'm forced to cede the ground to your great maturity.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: rchiu

I'm not supporting Halliburton getting the contract, just stating facts. It is 'people like you' who are making the allegations without proof. Just how is Cheney supposed to profit??

I never said Cheney/Bush are directly profiting from this, I said special interest groups like people who are closed to Cheney who donates big money to the administration are profiting from the war. But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups.

Why yes, yes you do. It's your allegation you might as well finish your story.

Oh really? where did I said it if you can be so kind to point it out?

"But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups."

Tell me, I need a good bedtime story. I want to hear how Cheney and Bush will profit from the oil companies, those big bad oil companies.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: etech
"But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups."

Tell me, I need a good bedtime story. I want to hear how Cheney and Bush will profit from the oil companies, those big bad oil companies.

A talk in a golf resort for 20,000. Spot on the board for couple hundred thousands. Nice job for Bush's intelligent daughters....I am sure they can arrange something.

 

[Moonbeam]

A little donation with the stolen tax payers money to the Republican party would be nice too.

 

[Thraxen]

A little donation with the stolen tax payers money to the Republican party would be nice too.

And who is that is pushing for a tax cut? I forget?

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

A little donation with the stolen tax payers money to the Republican party would be nice too.

And who is that is pushing for a tax cut? I forget?

i forgot who is in control of the house , senate and the oval office ??

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: etech
"But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups."

Tell me, I need a good bedtime story. I want to hear how Cheney and Bush will profit from the oil companies, those big bad oil companies.

A talk in a golf resort for 20,000. Spot on the board for couple hundred thousands. Nice job for Bush's intelligent daughters....I am sure they can arrange something.

And that is all complete suposition on your part.

I remember something about innocent until proven guilty. I guess that doesn't apply in this case.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: etech
"But I hope I don't have to tell you how both Cheney and Bush will be taken care of after they leave the White House by those groups."

Tell me, I need a good bedtime story. I want to hear how Cheney and Bush will profit from the oil companies, those big bad oil companies.

A talk in a golf resort for 20,000. Spot on the board for couple hundred thousands. Nice job for Bush's intelligent daughters....I am sure they can arrange something.

And that is all complete suposition on your part.

I remember something about innocent until proven guilty. I guess that doesn't apply in this case.

wouldn't that be the same with the war? there was no real evidence that there was WMD.

 

[SebastianK]

Amusing.. Very. You remind me of the clueless play-innocent troll. I forget what's-his/her-alias.

Originally posted by: lupy

Originally posted by: Corn

If you want to argue on the point of technicality, then let's do so:

I'm not arguing on the point of technicality, you're trying to prove hypocrisy, I'm clearly demonstrating why that argument is null.

Did or didn't you say "OJ was acquitted fair and square" by the court?

Indeed that is what I said.

I didn't put anything extra in your mouth, you said it!

Really, let's see what you said:

You agreed with the court's decision...

That is where you put words into my mouth. You claim that I agreed with the court's decision, something that I had never said. I agreed that their decision was made fair and square, but not that I agreed with the decision! I have not backtracked anything that I had said.

OJ was acquitted fair and square, according to the rule of law......just because I acknowledge that fact, doesn't mean that I believe him to be innocent. It's not the outcome that is supposed to be "fair", but the process. This is where your claim of hypocrisy and logic falls flat and thus the hole you cannot climb out of.

Ok, let's put everything on record here:

You agree that:

1. OJ was acquitted fair and square by our court according to the rule of law.
2. The decision by the court that made OJ innocent of the murder charges conflicts with your belief that OJ should've been guilty as charged, in other words, in your view, you don't think the outcome is fair and square to victims' families.

Conflicting thoughts indeed!

Now back to the topic of this thread:

My original post:

"You think Halliburton won fair and square? They won because of a secret bidding, British firms were not allowed to bid even though the Brits are also part of coalition to free Iraq.

Before you ask me for proof, here it is:

Secret bidding(link)"

I say Halliburton didn't win the bid fair and square because they won thru a secret bidding process, which is legal yet very controversial. It isn't fair to other qualified firms that may have placed higher bids or want to bid on the reconstruction of Iraq but were prevented from entering because of the US government. Since the bidding is secret, there is no way to verify the fairness of the selection.

Here is a simple proof to support my little argument:

1. Information that can't be verified is not fact.
2. Secret bidding does not allow selection process to be verified.
3. Halliburton won the contract thru a secret bidding process.
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Halliburton didn't win the bid fair and square!

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How do you propose we do that without limiting free speech?

(You realize that is the question when it comes to this issue)
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Yes I realize it. There are two problems as I see it. One is that corporations are persons according to the Supreme court and the other is that speech is money. These two thinks need to be changed, in my opinion, by popular revolt at the ballot box. The people who maintain this status quo that is killing us need to be removed and relpaced by those who will change the law. I favor retaking the public airwaves and limiting commertial tv and radio making way for a number of competing independent and mandated funded news entities that report news commertial free and poliotically indemendent of content. They should have time allocated free to candidates and all political points of view. The American mindset at present is warped by commertial interests who have no interest in large numbers independent rational thinking people wondering around in the market place. The present system is rotten right to the core.

First of all we should probably make this another thread but anyway..... I agree with the first part of your statement but not solely for the reasons that you state. My opposition to corps being persons stems from the SEC charging corps. with a crime vice an individual. The second part of your staement sounds a bit utopian. I'm not sure how we would publicly fund radio and TV without them always being suspected of being controlled by the goverment? I have further thoughts on what the real problem is but like I said we should start a new thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

I started one here.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: outriding

wouldn't that be the same with the war? there was no real evidence that there was WMD.

From Hans Blix's remarks to the U.N.:

I turn to biological weapons. I mention the issue of anthrax to the council on previous occasions, and I come back to it as it is an important one. Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 liters of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.

Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.

There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared and that at least some of this was retained over the declared destruction date. It might still exist.

Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was indeed destroyed in 1991.

As I reported to the council on the 19th of December last year, Iraq did not declare a significant quantity, some 650 kilos, of bacterial growth media, which was acknowledged as reported in Iraq's submission to the Amorim panel in February 1999. As a part of its 7 December 2002 declaration Iraq resubmitted the Amorim panel document but the table showing this particular import of media was not included. The absence of this table would appear to be deliberate, as the pages of the resubmitted document were renumbered.

In the letter of 24th of January this year to the president of the Security Council, Iraq's foreign minister stated that, I quote, "All imported quantities of growth media were declared." This is not evidence. I note that the quantity of media involved would suffice to produce, for example, about 5,000 liters of concentrated anthrax.

 

[Moonbeam]

Now where would he have gotten Anthrax from?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Now where would he have gotten Anthrax from?

Maybe Bill sold him some while getting a hummer from Monica.

He was told to destroy it. 'nuff said.

 

[Moonbeam]

Way before Clinton.

He was told to destroy it nuff said. Hehe, right muzzle the truth. Nuff said my ass.

 

[etech]

Halliburton Out of Race for Iraq Deal

 

[Moonbeam]

"The restricted invitations to bid for the Iraqi contractors has also angered foreign companies, although the money will come from U.S. taxpayers, not from any Iraqi source."
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Christ, as if that were the issue. It's always been about tax dollars going to Republican (particularly) contributor corporations.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"The restricted invitations to bid for the Iraqi contractors has also angered foreign companies, although the money will come from U.S. taxpayers, not from any Iraqi source."
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Christ, as if that were the issue. It's always been about tax dollars going to Republican (particularly) contributor corporations.

Only in the minds of the desperate few moonie, only in your mind.

 

[VFAA]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: MinorityReport
Bush is hooking us all up.

The US economy might be the worst in 10 years but Bush's good friends are minting money from Iraq war and Homland Security.


Vote Bush 2004 please !

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: etech
Halliburton Out of Race for Iraq Deal

"Covers repairing Iraqi health services, ports and airports, and schools and other educational institutions" I thought Halliburton's specialties was in oil well related construction? It was invited to bid? Wonder why?

Oh and "Halliburton was one of five companies invited to bid for the contract under an expedited procurement process which was restircted to companies wit security clearances" Wow, nice way to limit bid to Bush and Republican's buddies/big donors and kick out foreign competition. Yeah, security clearance for health service, ports, and school....what a laugh.

Quote from another article "It is interesting to note that Kellogg Brown & Root is a subsidiary of Halliburton. Vice President Dick Cheney was the chief executive officer of that company from 1995-2000, when he joined the Bush-Cheney ticket in the presidential elections. Bechtel Corp (another one of five company) has equally impressive government connections. George Schultz and Caspar Weinberger - who were secretaries of state and defense, respectively, during president Ronald Reagan's administration - were top executives of that corporation. Halliburton is also reaping the bonanza from its past association with Cheney by getting a number of construction projects in Afghanistan."

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: etech
Halliburton Out of Race for Iraq Deal

"Covers repairing Iraqi health services, ports and airports, and schools and other educational institutions" I thought Halliburton's specialties was in oil well related construction? It was invited to bid? Wonder why?

Halliburton Company (NYSE) - Business Description

Engineering and Construction Group

The Engineering and Construction Group segment, operating as Halliburton KBR, provides a wide range of services to energy and industrial customers and government entities worldwide. Halliburton KBR includes the following five product lines: onshore operations, comprising engineering and construction activities, including liquefied natural gas, ammonia, crude oil refineries and natural gas plants; offshore operations, including specialty offshore deepwater engineering and marine technology, and worldwide fabrication capabilities; government operations, including maintenance and logistics activities for government facilities and installations; operations and maintenance, including services for private sector customers, primarily industrial, hydrocarbon and commercial applications; and Asia Pacific operations, based in Australia, which provides civil engineering and consulting services.

If you were at all interested in the truth you could have looked this information up for yourself. You are so blinded by your need to attack that you didn't even bother to check your facts before posting. Try to do better next time please.

Oh and "Halliburton was one of five companies invited to bid for the contract under an expedited procurement process which was restircted to companies wit security clearances" Wow, nice way to limit bid to Bush and Republican's buddies/big donors and kick out foreign competition. Yeah, security clearance for health service, ports, and school....what a laugh.

What ever company that wins the bid will be given information about what structures will have to be rebuilt to begin prior planning, they will be given estimates on the logistical situation so they can begin planning on moving equipment and material to the sites, etc.. Yes, they require a security clearance to get that information while a war is on. The planning will start before the war is over so less time will be wasted in starting the rebuilding. That's rather obvious to anyone that thinks about the situation for a moment.

Quote from another article "It is interesting to note that Kellogg Brown & Root is a subsidiary of Halliburton. Vice President Dick Cheney was the chief executive officer of that company from 1995-2000, when he joined the Bush-Cheney ticket in the presidential elections. Bechtel Corp (another one of five company) has equally impressive government connections. George Schultz and Caspar Weinberger - who were secretaries of state and defense, respectively, during president Ronald Reagan's administration - were top executives of that corporation. Halliburton is also reaping the bonanza from its past association with Cheney by getting a number of construction projects in Afghanistan."

I like the way you just throw out innuendo and speculation and treat it as facts. It does not help your case or your credibility.

 

[drewshin]

heh heh halliburton aced out

Halliburton aced out

keep raising issues all! looks like some impact is being made.