Hamas Leaders Taken by Israel

Meuge

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According to the BBC, at least 10 ministers and lawmakers from the Hamas-led government have been taken into custody by Israel.

Among those detained in the raid in the West Bank are four cabinet ministers, including Deputy Prime Minister, Nasser al-Shaher.
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Whichever group(s) has/have orchestrated these kidnappings and murder, are not interested in the welfare of the Palestinian people at all. Something tells me it's the move coming from the Tehran chapter of Hamas, aimed to destabilize the peace process, and the entire region, and aimed at eliminating those who support peace on the Palestinian side and plunging the region into another intifada.
 

bamacre

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I fear this current conflict won't end soon, nor well.

I know they've been going at it steadily for as long as we all can remember, but this does not look good.
 

FrancesBeansRevenge

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Originally posted by: Meuge
According to the BBC, at least 10 ministers and lawmakers from the Hamas-led government have been taken into custody by Israel.

Among those detained in the raid in the West Bank are four cabinet ministers, including Deputy Prime Minister, Nasser al-Shaher.
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Whichever group(s) has/have orchestrated these kidnappings and murder, are not interested in the welfare of the Palestinian people at all. Something tells me it's the move coming from the Tehran chapter of Hamas, aimed to destabilize the peace process, and the entire region, and aimed at eliminating those who support peace on the Palestinian side and plunging the region into another intifada.


End game has to come at some point... it scares me to think this is the beginning of that.
I just hope the bloodshed spares innocents as much as possible
 

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Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Originally posted by: Meuge
According to the BBC, at least 10 ministers and lawmakers from the Hamas-led government have been taken into custody by Israel.

Among those detained in the raid in the West Bank are four cabinet ministers, including Deputy Prime Minister, Nasser al-Shaher.
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Whichever group(s) has/have orchestrated these kidnappings and murder, are not interested in the welfare of the Palestinian people at all. Something tells me it's the move coming from the Tehran chapter of Hamas, aimed to destabilize the peace process, and the entire region, and aimed at eliminating those who support peace on the Palestinian side and plunging the region into another intifada.


End game has to come at some point... it scares me to think this is the beginning of that.
I just hope the bloodshed spares innocents as much as possible

It looks like Israel may be attempting tonot use the scorched earth policy; but to start the beheading of the militant snakes.
 

Passions

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Israeli's don't mess around!

:thumbsup: to not backing down in the face of terrorism.
 

ThePresence

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Hamas leaders were always Israeli targets until this past election. Israel stopped attacking them after they were elected and attempted to delegitimize the Hamas government diplomatically. They are now on the hit list again, and rightfully so.
 

Termagant

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One can't help but get excited about all this, just like Shock and Awe back in 2003.

Here's to a good show! :beer:
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Termagant
One can't help but get excited about all this, just like Shock and Awe back in 2003.

Here's to a good show! :beer:
Screw you, people are dying.
 

Termagant

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Termagant
One can't help but get excited about all this, just like Shock and Awe back in 2003.

Here's to a good show! :beer:
Screw you, people are dying.

I'm celebrating an important stage of the Global War on Terrorism.

Renewal:
Death - of the Palestinians
Life - new land for Israel???
 

BMW540I6speed

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We can argue forever about the pros and cons of the establishment of Israel (I'm not fan of the history myself), but it's done. The Arabs lost that war, and there's no erasing the past without another war. Some of the settlements are as permanent and intrinsic to Israel's economy and security now as the undisputed territory itself, and reparations in the form of a simplistic land swap are hopelessly unrealistic. If the parties can't sit down and agree that this is the reality, the conflict is insoluble. Right or wrong, fair or unfair, the reality is the Palestinians can choose to lose a little more, or a lot. The violations of the past will never be made right, the bloodbath on both sides is now so deep there is an endless list of grievances. Somebody has to give up, and that somebody is the Palestinians. By hitching their wagon to Hamas, they have put themselves on a path to a war in which they will most certainly suffer a crushing defeat without the rest of the Arab world rising to their defense. That won't happen.

The Palestinians, for better or (far more likely) for worse, made Hamas an official part of their government. That there are many factions within Hamas is now completely irrelevant. They either police their own, or live with the fact that their newly-earned legitimacy comes with a price, namely that acts of aggression against Israel are no longer "terrorist attacks". They're acts of war, as sure as if someone from Fatah did the same. Given our own behavior over the past few years, the US is about the last nation on Earth with any cause to complain about Israeli heavy-handedness.

Something seldom mentioned but I've always been curious about is why only Israel has to give up territory for a Palestinian state. Historically speaking, when the Palestinians rejected the UN partition, at that point there WAS really no Palestine (not that there ever was a soveriegn Palestine before in any case, but thats another matter). Part of the reason they DID reject it was at the urging of several of the neighboring states (who wanted to resolve things via war). Why can't Jordan and Egypt (and perhaps Syria) also give up land to make a contiguous Palestine possible? After all, its not like any of those countries are innocent bystanders in this whole mess, or that their own borders are acrosanct or something (with the exception of Egypt I think the rest were created by the Euro's out of the wreckage of the old Ottoman Empire...IIRC). I'm obviously glossing over quite a bit here, but why is this never even considered as a resolution?

After all, Jordan IS Palestine. Its the major part of the British Mandate in fact. As for Egypt, they were instrumental and at the core of the original quagmire, they certainly played their part. I think Jordan is really at the heart of who should give up some land...if we are all fired set to make a viable Palestinian homeland and all. But Egypt isn't exactly some third party with nothing to do with this mess. Jordan and Egypt (and nearly all of the other Arab nations in the region) want nothing to do with Palestine or the Palestinians. That excuse however doesn't seem to hold for the Israeli's though, so I don't see why it should for them either. They certainly contributed as much or more than Israel did to the current situation, and they should be part of the solution, even if that means they have to make some sacrifices as well.

Also, attacking Israel has thus far accomplished...what exactly? Maybe going into complete peace mode would have the effect of creating mounting world wide pressure on Israel to get out of that territory once and for all...with no security excuses?, the same ole same ole doesn't seem to be having much effect except continueing the cycle of violence. I'm not saying it would be popular with many Israeli citizens, but without the constant attacks I think Israel would be in a much weaker position wrt the West Bank. Democracies seem to respond to that kind of pressure...eventually. Its much more difficult to keep a democratic population to a hard line when threats are removed, and much easier for said population to TAKE a hard line when the threats are very real and quite immediate. Take away the constant suicide bombings, shellings, assassinations and other threats from the Palestinians toward Israel and its a whole new ball game.

Time to take a Ghandi type look at things

In the eyes of the Palestinians, when Israel acts unilaterally, it's in the wrong. Period. Never mind the reason. Sometimes Israel is acting wrongly. Sometimes it isn't. From the Palestinian perspective, at least the Hamas perspective, nothing Israel does on its own behalf can be justified, because Israel has no right to exist. The Palestinian govt. is now in large part controlled by a party that has no interest in accepting a permanent two state solution. They want an "eliminate Israel" solution, that's always been the goal, and it's going to get them destroyed.

For the life of me, I don't no why the US STILL pumps Billions! of dollars yearly into Eygpt, Isreal & Jordan in exchange for the arab/isreali peace accords...I say, cut em ALL off

We are currently getting ZERO returns on that money, no peace in sight. But I digress, that is what you get investing in culture wars set in motion for the fairy tale cause of the coming rapture. Such is the state of the world.


 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Termagant
One can't help but get excited about all this, just like Shock and Awe back in 2003.
Here's to a good show! :beer:
Screw you, people are dying.
I'm celebrating an important stage of the Global War on Terrorism.

Renewal:
Death - of the Palestinians
Life - new land for Israel???
I don't wish death on the Palestinians, I wish death on the terrorists. However, the terrorists put themselves in a position where they know that their own civillians will be killed. I cannot celebrate the death of innocents, regardless of what side they're on.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: her209
WW III here we go!!!



Nah 20-30 yrs away, right after Muslims seize Europes Armories via demographics.
 

Zebo

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Martyrs Brigades claim to fire chemical warhead
Isreal needs think big now, no more pussyfooting
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BMW540 - Palestinians? Old Europe used to have sympahy for Israel when all those Big Arab Countries were attacking them non-stop - so the Arabs realized they had to redefine the conflct for Western consumption and the "Palestinian people" and "right of return" was born ~1960. Never forget thier whole goal and charter is destory Israel and they are funded both man and materials by all islamic countries.
 

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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: Termagant
One can't help but get excited about all this, just like Shock and Awe back in 2003.

Here's to a good show! :beer:

What a dick. Inconsiderate prick.

I must say, I am kind of disturbed by the level of love for the Palestinian terrorists in the Western World. They voted the known terrorist organization Hamas to be their rulers. This is the consequence of that vote.

What's next, Palestinians vote in an Al Qaeda government and get coddled by the "civilized world?"
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Zebo
Martyrs Brigades claim to fire chemical warhead
Isreal needs think big now, no more pussyfooting

If thats true, then its definitely time to clean house. Down with Hamas. "You have sat too long for any good you have done. Depart, I say, and let us be done with you."

I only hope no Palestinian civilians are killed, but unfortunately, thats almost impossible. What a mess.



It's almost impossible not to kill "civilians" because after the terrorists commit thier acts they take shelter among hoards of women and children.
 

Buck Armstrong

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Zebo
Martyrs Brigades claim to fire chemical warhead
Isreal needs think big now, no more pussyfooting

If thats true, then its definitely time to clean house. Down with Hamas. "You have sat too long for any good you have done. Depart, I say, and let us be done with you."

I only hope no Palestinian civilians are killed, but unfortunately, thats almost impossible. What a mess.

It's almost impossible not to kill "civilians" because after the terrorists commit thier acts they take shelter among hoards of women and children.

I know, thats exactly what I meant. Maybe Israel should just round up all the women and children, and any man not bearing arms, and detain them for their own safety. As for any man with a weapon, well...enough is enough.
 

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Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: Termagant
One can't help but get excited about all this, just like Shock and Awe back in 2003.

Here's to a good show! :beer:

What a dick. Inconsiderate prick.

I must say, I am kind of disturbed by the level of love for the Palestinian terrorists in the Western World. They voted the known terrorist organization Hamas to be their rulers. This is the consequence of that vote.

What's next, Palestinians vote in an Al Qaeda government and get coddled by the "civilized world?"

We don't support the terrorists. But we also don't support killing civilians that had nothing to do with the attacks of senseless terror committed by an tiny faction of the population.
 

Buck Armstrong

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Originally posted by: GeNome
Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: Termagant
One can't help but get excited about all this, just like Shock and Awe back in 2003.

Here's to a good show! :beer:

What a dick. Inconsiderate prick.

I must say, I am kind of disturbed by the level of love for the Palestinian terrorists in the Western World. They voted the known terrorist organization Hamas to be their rulers. This is the consequence of that vote.

What's next, Palestinians vote in an Al Qaeda government and get coddled by the "civilized world?"

We don't support the terrorists. But we also don't support killing civilians that had nothing to do with the attacks of senseless terror committed by an tiny faction of the population.

I agree...but you have to admit, he has a point; they DID elect these animals, which shows what many of them think of the "peace process".
 

GeNome

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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

I agree...but you have to admit, he has a point; they DID elect these animals, which shows what many of them think of the "peace process".

That's also true, no denying it. However, we do know how well propaganda works, and I doubt they would have voted for him if they had known he would have provoked a war with Israel. Of course, anything is possible.
 

spacejamz

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have the stories about the Hamas leaders being taken captive or the chemical warhead being fired been picked up by any US media yet? didn't see it CNN or msnbc yet...
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Termagant
One can't help but get excited about all this, just like Shock and Awe back in 2003.

Here's to a good show! :beer:
Screw you, people are dying.

yes people are dying and that a cold hard fact.
But to respond in such a childish manner in reprehensible.

What would you suggest the Israeli`s do?
oh..let me guess....
Do nothing--fat chance!!
 

Buck Armstrong

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Originally posted by: spacejamz

have the stories about the Hamas leaders being taken captive or the chemical warhead being fired been picked up by any US media yet? didn't see it CNN or msnbc yet...

Hamas leaders, yes, on MSNBC. Chemical warhead, no. Kidnapped settler's body found on CNN.
 

JEDIYoda

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We don't support the terrorists. But we also don't support killing civilians that had nothing to do with the attacks of senseless terror committed by an tiny faction of the population.

The cold hard facts are very simple.
There are civilians that are involved in this and there are innocent civilians.
It Happens!
 
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