Hamas Spiritual Leader Killed by Israelis

I am an American,
I beleive in my heart that the palestinians need a place to call home!
They need to work with Israel, not bomb them!
If Hamas starts killing US cilvilians, I say take Hamas out!
Arrafat needs to go!

This conflict has been going on to long, Too many lives have been lost. The Palestinian people need to remove Arrafat and start over!

John

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: jdhoeffken
I am an American,
I beleive in my heart that the palestinians need a place to call home!
They need to work with Israel, not bomb them!
If Hamas starts killing US cilvilians, I say take Hamas out!
Arrafat needs to go!

This conflict has been going on to long, Too many lives have been lost. The Palestinian people need to remove Arrafat and start over!

John

Sharon need to go, this guys is insane. Israel needs a better leader!

 

[replicator]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: jdhoeffken
I am an American,
I beleive in my heart that the palestinians need a place to call home!
They need to work with Israel, not bomb them!
If Hamas starts killing US cilvilians, I say take Hamas out!
Arrafat needs to go!

This conflict has been going on to long, Too many lives have been lost. The Palestinian people need to remove Arrafat and start over!

John

Sharon need to go, this guys is insane. Israel needs a better leader!

For sure.. Sharon is in big trouble with all the corruption and scandals dogging him, and I think it contributed in this decision to assasinate Yassin. Sure Yassin wasn't an angel, but he was seen as a religious leader to many Palestinians. This escalates the situation in Israel/Palestine conflict to one that is based on religion rather than geo-politics. Everyone should know that religious wars are the worst of the kind. Also, this has created an outpouring of support by other Arabs in the region who may have been more moderate or neutral regarding the conflict in Palestine. This does not help the US efforts to 'democratize' the middle east. The radical groups around the world are just going to use this to add flame to the fire to attempt to strengthen their organizations.

It really isn't a big blow to Hamas, because I think Yassin will easily be replaced. Everytime Israel hits Hamas, they get stronger and more popular than the Palestinian Authority, who is seen as corrupt collaborators with Israel. Maybe this is what Israel wants? Then they can launch a full scale war once the occupied terrorities is run by a full fledged terrorist organization.

This conflict has dengenerated into something which should really be embarassing to everyone, including the US. I think the US should have had more active involvement in preventing this sort of escalation.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: jdhoeffken
I am an American,
I beleive in my heart that the palestinians need a place to call home!
They need to work with Israel, not bomb them!
If Hamas starts killing US cilvilians, I say take Hamas out!
Arrafat needs to go!

This conflict has been going on to long, Too many lives have been lost. The Palestinian people need to remove Arrafat and start over!

John

the "palestinians" do have a place to call home...jordan. the 80% of "palestine" that was designated for the arabs.

also, hamas has already killed americans..with financial support from saddam



linky


linky<---need abobe acrobat

here is a link showing the iraqi caonnections to terrorism that killed americans.

linky

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Shadow, In neither of those stories does it imply Hamas specifically targetted Americans. They were just at the wrong place at the wrong time and you know that.

In fact, right from your article:

There were more than 20 Americans in the cafeteria but police said today they do not believe the bomber was specifically targeting Americans, even though Hebrew University is known to have a large population of U.S. citizens.

By your twisted logic, the IDF has also killed Americans, i.e. those protesting their barbaric policies in the occupied territories, what's your point?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: jdhoeffken
I am an American,
I beleive in my heart that the palestinians need a place to call home!
They need to work with Israel, not bomb them!
If Hamas starts killing US cilvilians, I say take Hamas out!
Arrafat needs to go!

This conflict has been going on to long, Too many lives have been lost. The Palestinian people need to remove Arrafat and start over!

John

the "palestinians" do have a place to call home...jordan. the 80% of "palestine" that was designated for the arabs.

Once again, by your ignorant logic, the Jews have a home too, its America, Russia, France et al. Most of the Jews in Israel are immigrants. The Arabs have been on the land for centuries, if they can go back to Jordan, the Jews can go back to whatever country they originally came from. But now you will have to bust out with the "But the land was theirs 3000 years ago" arguement. Well then they should have never left it in the first place.

 

[Ornery]

"annexing land is against international law, after that whole ww2 thing they thought it was a good idea to do something about it."


"Israel needs to stop giving people a reason to support Hamas, not escalate the situation."

Speaking of escalating, you guys still refuse to accept the reason for the occupation in the first place. Talk about escalation! As if the UN is going to keep the animals from purposely killing civilians. Same as they did before 1967, eh?

"and while we are here, do you support China's stand on Tibet?"

I'm very sympathetic...

 

[klah]

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/CFW/details.aspx?iid=3119619
"GAZA CITY, GAZA STRIP - MARCH 22: EDITOR'S NOTE GRAPHIC CONTENT The body of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin is seen in the morgue in the Al-shifa hospital March 22, 2004 in Gaza city in the Gaza Strip. Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter attack March 22, 2004 after leaving a mosque in the Gaza Strip. (Photo by Abid Katib/Getty Images)"

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/CFW/details.aspx?iid=3119445
"GAZA CITY, -: (EDITOR'S NOTE: GRAPHIC CONTENT) A man screams as he views the body of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the radical Hamas movement, in the morgue of Gaza City's al-Shifa hospital 22 March 2004 after he was killed in an Israeli air strike as he left a mosque in the Sabra neighborhood. AFP PHOTO/Mahmud HAMS (Photo credit should read MAHMUD HAMS/AFP/Getty Images)"

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: klah
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/CFW/details.aspx?iid=3119619
"GAZA CITY, GAZA STRIP - MARCH 22: EDITOR'S NOTE GRAPHIC CONTENT The body of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin is seen in the morgue in the Al-shifa hospital March 22, 2004 in Gaza city in the Gaza Strip. Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter attack March 22, 2004 after leaving a mosque in the Gaza Strip. (Photo by Abid Katib/Getty Images)"

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/CFW/details.aspx?iid=3119445
"GAZA CITY, -: (EDITOR'S NOTE: GRAPHIC CONTENT) A man screams as he views the body of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the radical Hamas movement, in the morgue of Gaza City's al-Shifa hospital 22 March 2004 after he was killed in an Israeli air strike as he left a mosque in the Sabra neighborhood. AFP PHOTO/Mahmud HAMS (Photo credit should read MAHMUD HAMS/AFP/Getty Images)"

Should highlight: EDITOR'S NOTE: GRAPHIC CONTENT

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: klah
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/CFW/details.aspx?iid=3119619
"GAZA CITY, GAZA STRIP - MARCH 22: EDITOR'S NOTE GRAPHIC CONTENT The body of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin is seen in the morgue in the Al-shifa hospital March 22, 2004 in Gaza city in the Gaza Strip. Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter attack March 22, 2004 after leaving a mosque in the Gaza Strip. (Photo by Abid Katib/Getty Images)"

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/CFW/details.aspx?iid=3119445
"GAZA CITY, -: (EDITOR'S NOTE: GRAPHIC CONTENT) A man screams as he views the body of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the radical Hamas movement, in the morgue of Gaza City's al-Shifa hospital 22 March 2004 after he was killed in an Israeli air strike as he left a mosque in the Sabra neighborhood. AFP PHOTO/Mahmud HAMS (Photo credit should read MAHMUD HAMS/AFP/Getty Images)"

man were did you get that, after seeing this image I feel sorry for the guy!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: jdhoeffken
I am an American,
I beleive in my heart that the palestinians need a place to call home!
They need to work with Israel, not bomb them!
If Hamas starts killing US cilvilians, I say take Hamas out!
Arrafat needs to go!

This conflict has been going on to long, Too many lives have been lost. The Palestinian people need to remove Arrafat and start over!

John

the "palestinians" do have a place to call home...jordan. the 80% of "palestine" that was designated for the arabs.

Once again, by your ignorant logic, the Jews have a home too, its America, Russia, France et al. Most of the Jews in Israel are immigrants. The Arabs have been on the land for centuries, if they can go back to Jordan, the Jews can go back to whatever country they originally came from. But now you will have to bust out with the "But the land was theirs 3000 years ago" arguement. Well then they should have never left it in the first place.

I believe that the history texts indicate that the Jews were force out of the area by others.

They worked their way back slowly up until WWII.
After WWII, the West caused the problem by trying to partition the land up for policatcal gains.

Many of the Arab/Jew problems did not exist before then. the conflicts were minor, the Western World and then with colaboration from the USSR agrivated the situation until it has become an international embaressment and neither side can win without the extremists loosing face.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Once again, by your ignorant logic, the Jews have a home too, its America, Russia, France et al. Most of the Jews in Israel are immigrants. The Arabs have been on the land for centuries, if they can go back to Jordan, the Jews can go back to whatever country they originally came from. But now you will have to bust out with the "But the land was theirs 3000 years ago" arguement. Well then they should have never left it in the first place.

once again you demonstrate a complete ignorance of historical fact in favot of a personal attack. and a counter-argument that is totaly irrelevant.

fact: the region of "palestine"(known before hand as "Judea" until the romans changed the name) included jordan and israel.

fact: 80% of the land went to arabs.

fact: the jews from germany france.etc...etc. "orginally" came fom ISRAEL. jews have ALWAYS lived there even after the forced expulsion by the romans in 135AD

fact: there has never been a nation called "palestine" there is no seperate and distinct palestinian "culture" there is no palestinian language

fact: the ancient philestines were not arabs.

fact: yassir arafat is an EGYPTIAN.

end the arab occupation of jewish land!

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: MegaWorksman were did you get that, after seeing this image I feel sorry for the guy!

You see those guys standing over his body? See the fire in their eyes? The man's now a martyr, perhaps Israel has granted his greatest wish with this kind of death.

Where are those capitulation minders when you need them?

 

[drewshin]

It was the same with the British? How many Britains were killed by suicide bombers when they occupied that land?

please dont be misleading etech, it's a sign of ignorance.

and yes, there was a lot of arab violence against their british occupiers as well as the israeli immigrants (although not by suicide bombings, as you have pointed out, WHAT A GREAT POINT LOL). most of the arab violence during the 30's was small, they even tried a general strike to protest the british policies to no avail (it actually helped the jewish settlers moving in because of increased business), this escalated to even greater violence. there were even israeli terrorist groups (see irgun/etzel) that bombed both british and arab targets (of course, israel doesn't need their own terrorist groups anymore because of their military).


about the topic though, although it might cause more violence in the short run (imagine if al-qaeda were to kill bush, would it deter us from eliminating terrorism? what exactly is this supposed to accomplish?), hopefully it will be better in the long run...it is a big gamble by sharon, and who knows how it will turn out.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Shadow, In neither of those stories does it imply Hamas specifically targetted Americans. They were just at the wrong place at the wrong time and you know that.

In fact, right from your article:

There were more than 20 Americans in the cafeteria but police said today they do not believe the bomber was specifically targeting Americans, even though Hebrew University is known to have a large population of U.S. citizens.

By your twisted logic, the IDF has also killed Americans, i.e. those protesting their barbaric policies in the occupied territories, what's your point?

your ignoring the "Hebrew University is known to have a large population of U.S. citizens." part. plus the fact that thousands of plestinians celbrated on 9-1-1

are you employed by arafat? your total pro-pal bias seems suggestive of it, combined with such historical distortions and out and out plain old bullsh@t.

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
when you have Jews speaking in American and other foreign accents and looking a lot less "Semetic" it changes the dyamics of people's perception. The fact remains, to Arabs they are foreigners... for whatever reason.

total bull#%#t most jews speak hebrew or yiddish. hebrew is the language of israel. jews have lived in israel since before the arab invasion 1400 years ago before the diaspora began returning.

 

[burnedout]

Rather fitting quotes from another board:

"When Palestinians blow up Israelis school buses, that's understandable anger. When America defends itself, that's indefensible. When dissent is crushed with secret police and torture chambers, that's not worthy of comment. When some people point out that traitorous behavior is unadmirable, that's the recapitulation of Nazi Germany."

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Shadow, In neither of those stories does it imply Hamas specifically targetted Americans. They were just at the wrong place at the wrong time and you know that.

In fact, right from your article:

There were more than 20 Americans in the cafeteria but police said today they do not believe the bomber was specifically targeting Americans, even though Hebrew University is known to have a large population of U.S. citizens.

By your twisted logic, the IDF has also killed Americans, i.e. those protesting their barbaric policies in the occupied territories, what's your point?

your ignoring the "Hebrew University is known to have a large population of U.S. citizens." part. plus the fact that thousands of plestinians celbrated on 9-1-1
And you're ignoring the "but police said they do not believe the bomber was specifically targeting Americans" part, but I suppose you know better than they do

are you employed by arafat? your total pro-pal bias seems suggestive of it, combined with such historical distortions and out and out plain old bullsh@t.
Are you employed by Sharon? Your pro-Israel bias seems suggestive of it, combined with your ignorance on Israeli demographics

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
when you have Jews speaking in American and other foreign accents and looking a lot less "Semetic" it changes the dyamics of people's perception. The fact remains, to Arabs they are foreigners... for whatever reason.

total bull#%#t most jews speak hebrew or yiddish. hebrew is the language of israel. jews have lived in israel since before the arab invasion 1400 years ago before the diaspora began returning.

Total BS heh? Of course, I'm sure you know better than all the fact books. Here you go buddy:

Racial/Ethnic background: Jewish 80% (Europe/America-born 32%, Israel-born 21%, Africa-born 14.5%, Asia born 12.5%), non-Jewish 20% (mostly Arab). Link

Just cause they speak Hebrew doesn't mean squat. I speak Italian, French and Hindi, doesn't mean I'm Italian, French or Indian, and if I visited any of those countries I would still be a foreigner. The majority of Israeli Jews are not Israeli born. That is fact and now you know.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Once again, by your ignorant logic, the Jews have a home too, its America, Russia, France et al. Most of the Jews in Israel are immigrants. The Arabs have been on the land for centuries, if they can go back to Jordan, the Jews can go back to whatever country they originally came from. But now you will have to bust out with the "But the land was theirs 3000 years ago" arguement. Well then they should have never left it in the first place.

once again you demonstrate a complete ignorance of historical fact in favot of a personal attack. and a counter-argument that is totaly irrelevant.

fact: the region of "palestine"(known before hand as "Judea" until the romans changed the name) included jordan and israel.

fact: 80% of the land went to arabs.

fact: the jews from germany france.etc...etc. "orginally" came fom ISRAEL. jews have ALWAYS lived there even after the forced expulsion by the romans in 135AD

fact: there has never been a nation called "palestine" there is no seperate and distinct palestinian "culture" there is no palestinian language

fact: the ancient philestines were not arabs.

fact: yassir arafat is an EGYPTIAN.

end the arab occupation of jewish land!

FACT: Jews dispelled thousands of Arabs

FACT: What happened thousands of years ago don't mean sh!t

FACT: Jews want a right of return for people who left 1000's of years ago but won't give the same right to people THEY kicked out just a few decades ago and from whom THEY keep stealing land

We can play this stupid game for days

END THE JEWISH OCCUPATION OF ARAB LAND!

 

[Drift3r]

My only concern ( I could care less about Israel ) is what now will happen in Iraq with our troops ? I am pretty sure that some of the out-rage will be taken out on our soldiers and people over there since we are seen as Israel's main backer and suga-daddy.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
My only concern ( I could care less about Israel ) is what now will happen in Iraq with our troops ? I am pretty sure that some of the out-rage will be taken out on our soldiers and people over there since we are seen as Israel's main backer and suga-daddy.

Agreed.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

FACT: Jews dispelled thousands of Arabs

those arabs did not live there until the jews restored the land, many people toured the middle east and described it as a near "near uninhabited wasteland" ask mark twain called it.

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
FACT: What happened thousands of years ago don't mean sh!t

sounds like a great excuse to ignore history to me!

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
FACT: Jews want a right of return for people who left 1000's of years ago but won't give the same right to people THEY kicked out just a few decades ago and from whom THEY keep stealing land

how is taking back what was thiers to start with "stealing"? besides your distorting again....(big surprise) the diaspora was 1800 years ago and your still ignoring the fact many jews stayed behind and have lived on thier land since antiquity.

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
We can play this stupid game for days
END THE JEWISH OCCUPATION OF ARAB LAND!

and you will still be full of %@ the whole time! ROFL!

by jewish occupation you mean THIS?

as usual your "facts" are hardly factual....

end the anglo-saxon and african occupation of native american land! you can start with me since i am cherokee, give me the keys to your house and car please, thus setting an example of what you expect others to do!

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
My only concern ( I could care less about Israel ) is what now will happen in Iraq with our troops ? I am pretty sure that some of the out-rage will be taken out on our soldiers and people over there since we are seen as Israel's main backer and suga-daddy.

well you rather they come over here? in some ways i do, then i could personally shoot them.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: burnedout
Rather fitting quotes from another board:

"When Palestinians blow up Israelis school buses, that's understandable anger. When America defends itself, that's indefensible. When dissent is crushed with secret police and torture chambers, that's not worthy of comment. When some people point out that traitorous behavior is unadmirable, that's the recapitulation of Nazi Germany."

the greates irony is many of the ones against the israeli "occupation":

1. live on occupied land themselves(but that is different of course)

2. are socialists that do not like jews..but say everyone else that disagrees with them is another "hitler" or "nazi"(contraction for national socialist.)

 

[kermalou]

he deserved it

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

MYTH: Jews dispelled thousands of Arabs

Tens of thousands of Arabs fled at the instance of the Arab leaders that there would be a massive slaughter of Jews and there would be lots of collateral damage to the Arab population if they did not leave.

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

FACT: What happened thousands of years ago don't mean sh!t

What happened 50 years ago also doesn't mean sh!t, what matters is what exists now.

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

MYTH: Jews want a right of return for people who left 1000's of years ago but won't give the same right to people THEY kicked out just a few decades ago and from whom THEY keep stealing land

No one was expelled from lands, everyone that left, left voluntarily. Israel has the right just as the US does to refuse reentry to any person that left, especially people that left at the instance of foriegn leaders in an attempt to damage the fledgling nation. Under US law someone that did something similar would also lose their citizenship and could be tried as a traitor for providing aid and comfort to the enemy. All land taken or occupied by Israel was done so in war. All but one of those wars was innitiated by the Arab states (and the one that wasn't was provoked by an act of war). Those Arab states that started those wars were the holders of the land you now call palestine. (The Gaza strip was part of Egypt and the West Bank was part of TransJordan). In all of History those that start wars and lose the land in the process of that war have no claims to that land.

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

We can play this stupid game for days

I prefer not to play the game with people who are so obviously better at it than me, so I conceed victory that you are in fact stupider than me.

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

END THE JEWISH OCCUPATION OF ARAB LAND! [/b]

As soon as there is a Jewish occupation of Arab land let me know.