Hamas Spiritual Leader Killed by Israelis

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
And you're ignoring the "but police said they do not believe the bomber was specifically targeting Americans" part, but I suppose you know better than they do

actually that is an opinion, not "fact". i understand your position though, many people do not know the difference...also the fact it was common knowledge did not stop them did it?

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Total BS heh? Of course, I'm sure you know better than all the fact books. Here you go buddy:

Racial/Ethnic background: Jewish 80% (Europe/America-born 32%, Israel-born 21%, Africa-born 14.5%, Asia born 12.5%), non-Jewish 20% (mostly Arab). Link

so where does the assumption they do not speak hebrew and yiddish come from? YOU. "fact book" ROFL! you're funny! many jews here speak hebrew and yiddish, since they live in the US do they automatically speak english only?

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Just cause they speak Hebrew doesn't mean squat. I speak Italian, French and Hindi, doesn't mean I'm Italian, French or Indian, and if I visited any of those countries I would still be a foreigner. The majority of Israeli Jews are not Israeli born. That is fact and now you know. [/b]

i am glad you see my previous point many americans are born overseas, does that stop them from being american? i also see you take the usual position when the facts do not back you up "it dont matter...it dont matter...it dont matter...it dont matter..."

 

[Lioness]

Czar: "of the border view Israel has is different from the official green line, then why does israel offer support for settlers living beyond the green line?" I agree. Israel knows their over the border. I believe they refer to it as the "buffer zone" or "safety zone" Do you deny there is any dispute between Palestinians and Israel on where this border ends?

ThePresence: I apologize.

lozina: "Well I see this whole thing to be playing into Israel's cards perfectly. Hamas and the various terrorist organization fighting the occupation have always been Israel's problem, only a threat to us in some indirect theoretical sense. Now with this Hamas announcement things may change. Hamas may now become a personal threat to the US and thus become our problem. This will benefit Israel in many ways- ....." Absolutely. That's what I'm saying. Did they kill the only man that has kept Hamas from suicide attacks against the US?

Suicide bombings only take out a few people. It won't be a 9/11 scenario. But every American life is important. The question is how many of us have to die before we say, "go get 'em George" Our friend Sharon may have just set the roadmap for Usama's dream. The US crusaders against the entire Muslin world. And one thinks we have little international support in Iraqi? Only time will tell. I believe it's Hamas move next, afterall that's how it's done.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Drift3r
My only concern ( I could care less about Israel ) is what now will happen in Iraq with our troops ? I am pretty sure that some of the out-rage will be taken out on our soldiers and people over there since we are seen as Israel's main backer and suga-daddy.

well you rather they come over here?

No and they will never come over here. That is just fear mongering.

in some ways i do, then i could personally shoot them.

Good then go over there and have fun.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Lioness
Suicide bombings only take out a few people. It won't be a 9/11 scenario. But every American life is important. The question is how many of us have to die before we say, "go get 'em George" Our friend Sharon may have just set the roadmap for Usama's dream. The US crusaders against the entire Muslin world. And one thinks we have little international support in Iraqi? Only time will tell. I believe it's Hamas move next, afterall that's how it's done.

actualy 911 were "suicide bombings" the bomb(or missile) was the plane, the "bomber" the pilot.

dont blame sharon for what terrorists do, blame the terrorists.

remember "jihad" is the same thing as a "crusade", only in a different language. muslims have been on a jihad since mohammed founded islam. it started with the slaughter of of the jewish town of yathrib, which was renamed medina and went from there.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

No and they will never come over here. That is just fear mongering.

they already have come over here! get your head out of your posterior region! "fear mongering?"? ROFL!! you sound like neville chamberlain.

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Good then go over there and have fun.

i did my time in the army already, i would go back in but i am "to old" for re-inlistment so i have to stay here and do whatever i can to protect my family when the time comes while the sheep cower and probobly collaborate.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Drift3r
My only concern ( I could care less about Israel ) is what now will happen in Iraq with our troops ? I am pretty sure that some of the out-rage will be taken out on our soldiers and people over there since we are seen as Israel's main backer and suga-daddy.

well you rather they come over here?

No and they will never come over here. That is just fear mongering.

What makes you so certain? They have operated outside of the ME before.

 

[vegeto456]

fact: 80% of the land went to arabs.

Do you have a link shadowhawk?

Searching the internet i found

The land variously called Israel and Palestine is a small, (10,000 square miles at present) land at the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea. During its long history, its area, population and ownership varied greatly. The present state of Israel formally occupies all the land from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean ocean, bounded by Egypt in the south, Lebanon in the north, and Jordan in the East. The recognized borders of Israel constitute about 78% of the land.

78% or 20%?

And how many Jews have lived their since antiquity (roughly)?

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Lioness
Suicide bombings only take out a few people. It won't be a 9/11 scenario. But every American life is important. The question is how many of us have to die before we say, "go get 'em George" Our friend Sharon may have just set the roadmap for Usama's dream. The US crusaders against the entire Muslin world. And one thinks we have little international support in Iraqi? Only time will tell. I believe it's Hamas move next, afterall that's how it's done.

actualy 911 were "suicide bombings" the bomb(or missile) was the plane, the "bomber" the pilot.

dont blame sharon for what terrorists do, blame the terrorists.

remember "jihad" is the same thing as a "crusade", only in a different language. muslims have been on a jihad since mohammed founded islam. it started with the slaughter of of the jewish town of yathrib, which was renamed medina and went from there.

it seems you have an anti-islamic view, you don't even know what jihad means. When muslims use jihad they mean fight back or fight in the name of god and not "holy War" I know this because I'm muslium and we don't slaughter people in the name of god thats just dump! second this jewish town was created because these jews where waiting for the messiah which is in our religion the last prophet of god after christ. The Jews of yathrib refused to believe that prophet mohammed was the real messiah just as the same way they refuse jesus christ was a prophet of god so they fought him, so our prophet had no choice but to fight back many of them died and many surrendered and not slaughter. I hate guys like you who are trying to give a negative view about Islam, your ignore the principles of Islam in wars, in our religion we don't attack others it is forbidding to invade or to kill only if they're is a threat on you then you take actions. I believes that you know this but as an Israeli nothing will stop you from creating BS about your enemies just to make them look evil

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: vegeto456

fact: 80% of the land went to arabs.

Do you have a link shadowhawk?

Searching the internet i found

The land variously called Israel and Palestine is a small, (10,000 square miles at present) land at the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea. During its long history, its area, population and ownership varied greatly. The present state of Israel formally occupies all the land from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean ocean, bounded by Egypt in the south, Lebanon in the north, and Jordan in the East. The recognized borders of Israel constitute about 78% of the land.

78% or 20%?

that is incorrect...or more accurately "dated". the identification of "palestine" with what is roughly now the state of israel is very modern, the region of palestine originally was the area of the roman province of judea which was renamed "palestina" after the bar kochba revolt of 132-5ad. any reference to israel or judah before this time as "palestine" is actually historically inaccurate. the "borders" of the region of palestine have changed many times over the years.

here is a UN(league of nations) document on it from 1937 an "amazing" thing is many assertions made by the jews are directly backed up by it. it makes a good read as it is a great insight to the time.

here is a picture of a stamp depicting the region of palestine

sometimes the region of palestine was not even named, but counted as "syria" as this map of the ottoman empire shows.

Originally posted by: vegeto456
And how many Jews have lived their since antiquity (roughly)?

what time period? it varied from a few hundred to a few thousand.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

it seems you have an anti-islamic view, you don't even know what jihad means. When muslims use jihad they mean fight back or fight in the name of god and not "holy War" I know this because I'm muslium and we don't slaughter people in the name of god thats just dump! second this jewish town was created because these jews where waiting for the messiah which is in our religion the last prophet of god after christ. The Jews of yathrib refused to believe that prophet mohammed was the real messiah just as the same way they refuse jesus christ was a prophet of god so they fought him, so our prophet had no choice but to fight back many of them died and many surrendered and not slaughter. I hate guys like you who are trying to give a negative view about Islam, your ignore the principles of Islam in wars, in our religion we don't attack others it is forbidding to invade or to kill only if they're is a threat on you then you take actions. I believes that you know this but as an Israeli nothing will stop you from creating BS about your enemies just to make them look evil

salaam alaykum bsem Isa.

you are a poor apologist! as usual your merely the twisting of facts(or have been mislead) "jihad" actually means "a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty" or a personal struggle regarding religious discipline.

mohammed gave them 3 choices... convert, die, or pay tribute.(the same 3 choices traditionally offered to anyone during the spread of islam. the jews of yathrib(medina) gave mohammed sanctuary from the pagan meccans who mohammed had tried to fight but was defeated by them. only after solidifying yathrib was mohammed able to take mecca from the pagans who worshipped the ka'baa and other idols.

it is amazing how islam expanded so much by "defending itself"? they "defended themselves" all the way to spain! ROFL!

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

it seems you have an anti-islamic view, you don't even know what jihad means. When muslims use jihad they mean fight back or fight in the name of god and not "holy War" I know this because I'm muslium and we don't slaughter people in the name of god thats just dump! second this jewish town was created because these jews where waiting for the messiah which is in our religion the last prophet of god after christ. The Jews of yathrib refused to believe that prophet mohammed was the real messiah just as the same way they refuse jesus christ was a prophet of god so they fought him, so our prophet had no choice but to fight back many of them died and many surrendered and not slaughter. I hate guys like you who are trying to give a negative view about Islam, your ignore the principles of Islam in wars, in our religion we don't attack others it is forbidding to invade or to kill only if they're is a threat on you then you take actions. I believes that you know this but as an Israeli nothing will stop you from creating BS about your enemies just to make them look evil

salaam alaykum bsem Isa.

you are a poor apologist! as usual your merely the twisting of facts(or have been mislead) "jihad" actually means "a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty" or a personal struggle regarding religious discipline.

mohammed gave them 3 choices... convert, die, or pay tribute.(the same 3 choices traditionally offered to anyone during the spread of islam. the jews of yathrib(medina) gave mohammed sanctuary from the pagan meccans who mohammed had tried to fight but was defeated by them. only after solidifying yathrib was mohammed able to take mecca from the pagans who worshipped the ka'baa and other idols.

it is amazing how islam expanded so much by "defending itself"? they "defended themselves" all the way to spain! ROFL!

your talking about Abu bakr, Umar and Uthman they're the ones who expanded Islam and not the prophet. After Uthman came The Umayyad they changed Islam, it's because of them that there is sunnis and shi'ites. They Umayyad and the Abbasids both of them killed and hunted down the relatives of the prophet, because in reality they were the true rulers of Islam and not those morons who used Islam for Power. Here are the 12 imams who should have ruled Islam and not the Umayyad or the Abbasids.

about Yathrib here

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Second this jewish town was created because these jews where waiting for the messiah which is in our religion the last prophet of god after christ.

And for the ignorant (99.9% of the people here ) The Quran states that Jesus will return as the Messiah to fight the Antichrist, but was a 'normal' prophet the first time. It also says that when he asked God (Allah) to take away 'the poisoned cup' that his request was granted, and that the people were given the idea that they killed him but in truth he was taken to heaven by an angel to prepare for the second coming.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Second this jewish town was created because these jews where waiting for the messiah which is in our religion the last prophet of god after christ.

And for the ignorant (99.9% of the people here ) The Quran states that Jesus will return as the Messiah to fight the Antichrist, but was a 'normal' prophet the first time. It also says that when he asked God (Allah) to take away 'the poisoned cup' that his request was granted, and that the people were given the idea that they killed him but in truth he was taken to heaven by an angel to prepare for the second coming.

What does this have to do with why so many terrorists are comitting their acts in the name of Allah?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Now Hamas is threating the US

For the first time, Hamas also threatened the United States, saying its backing of Israel made the assassination possible.

?The Zionists didn?t carry out their operation without getting the consent of the terrorist American administration and it [the United States] must take responsibility for this crime,? Hamas said in a statement. ?All the Muslims of the world will be honored to join in on the retaliation for this crime.?

If they come after us, then they will be gone. Palestine terror leadership will not be able to find a big enough hole to climb into unless we make it for them.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Why is it that everyone in the media - even the original poster - keeps referring to this dead bag of feces as an "elderly Palestinian cleric" or "Hamas Spiritual Leader?"

Why not call him what he really was - a murderous, homicidal maniac?

Has political correctness really gone this far? Has all sense of good and evil been lost? What in the hell is the matter with everyone?

This guy was Israel's Osama bin Laden. I think they had every right in the world to wax him. I'm glad he's dead. Hamas was going to come after the U.S. anyway, eventually - this is just an excuse.

If it is war that they want, then war they shall have. We will happily oblige them.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Now Hamas is threating the US

For the first time, Hamas also threatened the United States, saying its backing of Israel made the assassination possible.

?The Zionists didn?t carry out their operation without getting the consent of the terrorist American administration and it [the United States] must take responsibility for this crime,? Hamas said in a statement. ?All the Muslims of the world will be honored to join in on the retaliation for this crime.?

If they come after us, then they will be gone. Palestine terror leadership will not be able to find a big enough hole to climb into unless we make it for them.

Hamas will not attack the US, it's the Israelis dream to get the US into conflict with the Palestinians. It seems that a lot of pro-Israelis are trying to creat a religious war between muslims and christians. To all the christians readers in this thread don't fall into their game, a religious war will lead into nothing but destruction for both sides. For me as a muslim I find Al-Qaida as one of the biggest terrorist group ever and most muslims are againts these barbaric attacks.
these animals are Wahhibes, they are a small percentage in islam but they get good support from saudi arabia. Wahhabism is not Islam, in realty they fight and kill muslims who oppose them ex. Shi'ite muslims. So plz don't compare Wahhabism to Islam.
link

 

[Red Dawn]

A Report was released that the only part of that dude that was recovered was his head. Did you see the funeral? They had a coffin. They should have just put the dudes head in a bowling bag ala the Sopranos and paraded that through the streets.

 

[cumhail]

No, I didn't create it. But I think the creator of this little Flash game helps illustrate a point that needs to be better understood.

cumhail

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: cumhail
It's been posted in this forum before; but it once again seems relevant:

http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm

LOL! did you created that, anyway they are a lot of Israelis in this tread I can tell. You guys have to know one thing you can't win this war, I thought about it and you just can't win. In order for you guys to win the war well you have to erase all the arabes in the region and don't forget Iran. The thing is it's the people of the middle east who hate Israel not the governments for example Hamas and all the other groups where created by normal civilians who had enough of Israel occupation. Most of the gouvernments in the region not all are willing to have peace with Israel, but the people don't. The palestinians made a promise to end the occupation they don't care if you kill this leader or that, Israel is only making the palestinians stronger by Killing there top leaders

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Now Hamas is threating the US

For the first time, Hamas also threatened the United States, saying its backing of Israel made the assassination possible.

?The Zionists didn?t carry out their operation without getting the consent of the terrorist American administration and it [the United States] must take responsibility for this crime,? Hamas said in a statement. ?All the Muslims of the world will be honored to join in on the retaliation for this crime.?

If they come after us, then they will be gone. Palestine terror leadership will not be able to find a big enough hole to climb into unless we make it for them.

Hamas will not attack the US, it's the Israelis dream to get the US into conflict with the Palestinians. It seems that a lot of pro-Israelis are trying to creat a religious war between muslims and christians.
link

My comment is a direct quote from the article/Hamas.

Israel may want to have the US become pro-active, however, they are currently only handicapped by political opinion/goodwill.
If they start a targetting operation, it may solve the terrorist problem for them and/or at least remove the pressure. for the past 40+ years, they have attempted to turn the other cheek.

By becoming pro-active in removing the terrorist leadership, it will be harder for the next generation to step forward. The existing leadership has grown complaicent by the hands-off policy by the Israel and world leadership granting a politcal leadership status. Now they are being attacked for what the actually are. It may create second thoughts for those who choose to step up and fill those shoes.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
We should help Isreal build gas chambers and concentration camps for the Palestinians.

Zephyr

Yes, because Israel's killing of this bastard, who's got the blood of hundreds of women and children on his hands, is exactly like Israel building gas chambers.

Israel has just as much blood, on as many hands, of an equal amount of women and children. Do you not get it yet?

No, I certainly do not get THAT. Israel does NOT target women and children. Israel goes after the people who are murdering Israeli civillians. THOSE people choose to hide among women and children. DO YOU NOT GET IT?

They attack entire families to ensure the target is eliminated. Come back when you have found the key to your blinkers and then we can talk.

so the alternative is to do nothing and play into the hands of terrorists. palestinians complain when their ability to kill civilians is interfered with, and threaten to kill more civilians as revenege. wow.. that makes the choice to act real hard huh? better to kill some responsible for attacks on civilians. and if they happen ot hide in heavily populated areas, the only resort is a missle strike. you simplistically pretend the palestinians live in suburbs with wide open areas and streets, they don't. narrow streets, highly dense areas = shooting gallery. any israeli troops sent in to extract a top leader would result in something like "black hawk down", but much worse with cross fire killing many more civilians. the fact is israelis make decisions to minimize civilian casualties when possible, and palestinians always choose to maximize the suffering and death of civilians.

 

[Staples]

In all likelyhood, they are going to have suicide bombers whether this guy was alive today or not. I am not condoning this stuff but I really don't think it is going to make things much worse for PLO attacks against Israel.

 

[0roo0roo]

is it just me... or does he look like saruman?

 

[MrPALCO]

The Palestinians should be thankful we haven't killed them all.

 

[0roo0roo]

Sharon need to go, this guys is insane. Israel needs a better leader!

compared to arafat, he's practically an angel. arafat has been behind every road block on the path to peace. course its pretty obvious considering he basically heads a terrorist organization and is in a nice little coalition with the others. i mean seriously, the guy has 70 thousand armed security force guys under his rule. more security per capita then anywhere else in the world, yet he cannot stop terror? he simply doens't want to. he wants the palestinians to suffer, to not have stability, to keep them angry and to keep the fight up. its the only way he can keep war ferver up. seriously, the palestinian leadership have shat all over their people from day 1. they've recieved more aid per capita then europe during the marshal plan, and nothing has been built but bombs.

For sure.. Sharon is in big trouble with all the corruption and scandals dogging him, and I think it contributed in this decision to assasinate Yassin. Sure Yassin wasn't an angel, but he was seen as a religious leader to many Palestinians. This escalates the situation in Israel/Palestine conflict to one that is based on religion rather than geo-politics. Everyone should know that religious wars are the worst of the kind. Also, this has created an outpouring of support by other Arabs in the region who may have been more moderate or neutral regarding the conflict in Palestine. This does not help the US efforts to 'democratize' the middle east. The radical groups around the world are just going to use this to add flame to the fire to attempt to strengthen their organizations.

well not really, it was in response to the attack on the shipyards and the attempt to blow up the chemical storage. and really, doing anything fuels the terrorists in that area, it really is irrelevant. attack them and they get inflamed, pander and percieved weakness inflames them.

Why is it that everyone in the media - even the original poster - keeps referring to this dead bag of feces as an "elderly Palestinian cleric" or "Hamas Spiritual Leader?"

Why not call him what he really was - a murderous, homicidal maniac?

apparently the fact that he called for a palestinian state that included destruction of israel is rather irrelavant to the media

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: MrPALCO
The Palestinians should be thankful we haven't killed them all.

That'd be the Chsitian thing to do right Paltroll?