hammer hype

[farns]

Right noone knows for sure of course but whats the expected performance gain over Intel of the desktop version?
I mean unless its massive like 50% plus I aint waiting a year or whatever and Ill get a p4 1.6A and OC it.
If this thing really will be totally amazing then fine Ill upgrade RAM,vidcard and HD and wait for it(games will be a tad slow I guess but Im not hardcore),otherwise Ill get my p4.

 

[BD231]

Well, your system is sh*t, lol. So even a value system would be a big step up. Hammer will r*pe, no if ands or but's, 400mhz ddr fsb(800mhz effective), it'll stomp all over the P4. But if you want to buy a P4 system now, wait till mid may, prices will fall drasticly.

 

[CoDerEd]

don't wait a year if you want to upgrade, by the time hammer out, it also will be a new pentium coming.
and they gonna start talking about the next generation cpu again. it will not stop.

 

[farns]

Well yes that sounded silly how I said Id wait a year,of course intel will release new pentiums between and theres always something better round the corner but if the hammer is as next generation as everyone thinks then Ill make do with a cheap upgrade until then,if it means this thing is gonna make INtel look crap.
I hope it isnt just AMD zealots saying this because as a completely impartial observer the OCd P4 1.6A edges anything up to AXP1900 for value,power,cool running and quietness etc...
Thats from my newbie perspective anyway.

Mid-may eh?K thanks for tip man,what sort of performance gain do you think the hammer will get?I saw something at Toms Hardware it was about 25% but I cant remember..

 

[Duvie]

Don't play the wait and see game...If you need to upgrade just do it...there will be something always beter around the corner, so stop waiting....be smart though and get great values...

< I hope it isnt just AMD zealots saying this because as a completely impartial observer the OCd P4 1.6A edges anything up to AXP1900 for value,power,cool running and quietness etc...
Thats from my newbie perspective anyway. >

I think that is being overly conservative...How about my p4 running 1.8@2.5ghz (556fsb) and with maybe a new p4s533 coming next week I can run that memory @417mhz ddr...According to all reviews no athlon 2100+ xp is going to beat that...At 417mhz ddr I should be running over 3000mb/sec of bandwidth....with the boosted ram and fsb I think it will take 2300+ speeds to equal....


I like amd and hope the hammer is a big hit....I like it to stay close though...One-sided market doesn't do the consumers any favors....

 

[tritium4ever]

Hot damn Duvie said it just right...if you need it, there's no sense in waiting because there will always be faster processors, bigger hard drives, etc.. As it is, the P4 1.6A represents fantastic value, but only if you overclock. If not, then go for a mid-level Athlon XP like the 1800+ or the 1900+.

 

[Degenerate]

waiting is not an option. If you want to do it, then do it.

Hammer, as claimed by AMD, should provide about 25% performance increase over the Athlons. I would, however, take this with a grain of salt. Although you can expect increases, dont take words from the company that makes the products. Perhaps 25% is the maximun increase.... or could be even more. Or mabey the average is 25%... never know until it is out.

But, a P4 @ 2.6 will run what ever you'll be running with surplus speed for 3-4 years +

 

[WarriorX]

Degenerate: The hammer is not just a 25% increase over the Athlon. It's a 25% increase clock-for-clock over the Athlon, mainly because of the integrated memory controller; in this case, FSB is irellivant bacause the integrated memory controller runs at the same speed as the hammer. Also, the Hammer is going to intro at 3400+, which means it will easily compare to a 3.4 Ghz P4; I have only heard of a 3 Ghz P4 coming out this year tops.

Anyways, I would wait for Hammer. It is most likely going to come out at the end of October... only 6 months away, not a year.

 

[Barrei]

Warriorx you have spoken like a true AMD fan But I think the point is both companies amd and intel compete against each other and that can only be goo for the consumer.

 

[BlvdKing]

Barrei you have spoken like a true Intel fan. There is nothing from his post that seems exaggerated to me. :disgust:



<< Warriorx you have spoken like a true AMD fan But I think the point is both companies amd and intel compete against each other and that can only be goo for the consumer. >>



Edited for politeness

 

[tritium4ever]

<< Degenerate: The hammer is not just a 25% increase over the Athlon. It's a 25% increase clock-for-clock over the Athlon, mainly because of the integrated memory controller; in this case, FSB is irellivant bacause the integrated memory controller runs at the same speed as the hammer. Also, the Hammer is going to intro at 3400+, which means it will easily compare to a 3.4 Ghz P4; I have only heard of a 3 Ghz P4 coming out this year tops.

Anyways, I would wait for Hammer. It is most likely going to come out at the end of October... only 6 months away, not a year. >>



This is ridiculous. So far the only numbers we've seen for the consumer Hammer-based processor (it will use a variant of the Athlon name, NOT Opteron) have come straight from AMD. Until performance is verified by independent sources, those numbers are actually worse than having no numbers at all, because PR schmuck is totally useless and always misleading to some extent. Nobody would believe Intel if they claimed 25% faster clock for clock for their next consumer processor over the Pentium 4, but this is exactly what AMD is doing.

Bottom line: until the benchmarks from respected independent sources come out, Hammer may well be crap for all we know. That's most likely not the case, but we won't know for sure for a while yet.

 

[LP29]

Its too early to judge the hammer. Its still a long time before we could have one.

 

[Degenerate]

Browsing through some past posts, it seems that the 3400+ is

a) derived from a sigle benchmark?
b) an estimated one since they used a Hammer at approx or below 1Ghz. After they benched this, they then extrpolated the data do estimate what their hammer that will be released first.

 

[WarriorX]

Geez, all I see in these damn Anandtech forums nowadays is fricken Intel Fanboys that talk too much about what they here. If you read as many articles as I do about the Hammer, you would realize its true potential. I still see stupid people calling the Athlon the Athalon, and people saying that the Hammer is coming out in Q1/Q2 2003. What the hell is everyone talking about? Read up on articles people. AMD is not the only supplier of information on the Hammer.

 

[imgod2u]

<< Geez, all I see in these damn Anandtech forums nowadays is fricken Intel Fanboys that talk too much about what they here. If you read as many articles as I do about the Hammer, you would realize its true potential. I still see stupid people calling the Athlon the Athalon, and people saying that the Hammer is coming out in Q1/Q2 2003. What the hell is everyone talking about? Read up on articles people. AMD is not the only supplier of information on the Hammer. >>



The benchmark that was provided, the only benchmark that was provided, was from AMD. Everything else is pure speculation. That's the point. So far, all the people who've objected to your obviously biased and hugely presumptuous statements have merely displayed doubts. I think you're the one who claimed the "3400+" will perform as well as a 3.4 GHz P4. There is absolutely no way of knowing whether the rating number will be accurate as far as corresponding to a similarly clocked P4. Yet you seem content on stating this as truth. I suspect most of the people who've replied here are prolly AMD fans. But then again, I suppose anyone who doesn't agree with your presumptuous claims must be an Intel fanboy right?

 

[dexvx]

I think the only source for 3400 ClawHammer clock speed was an anonymous Czech benchmark which claimed to have an all purpose comparison of a lot of CPUs (including SPARCS, etc). Just don't expect for 64bit hammers to go cheap... if they're truly after the market they claim they're after, one CPU should cost at least a grand.

As for bdog231, i dont know if you're joking or not but thats straight away impolite.

 

[moocat]

Just a thought, but won't the availability of clawhammer (desktop/workstation) be influenced by demand for sledgehammer (highend server/super servers/supercomputing). I would think the focus would be on satisfying the high end first. I believe I read that the hammer line
will be manufactured in the Dresden plant and only a portion of the plants resources will be allocated to the hammer line.

I think the wait might be a little longer than expected for individual end users to get their hands on one. As usual, I reserve the right to be completely wrong

I'm extremely curious to see how the hammer impacts computing...from desktop to super server. I'm sure Intel has something up their sleeve to attempt to rival hammer, but it sure seems that they are not fully prepared for this battle. And I'm not talking about performance only. I mean market position. This just seems like such a brilliant move by AMD.

 

[WarriorX]

moocat: i am pretty sure that AMD would need to release the desktop version of the Hammer before the server version because the only way to get the enterprise market to adopt the Hammer is for them to see it and use it in the desktop market. Servers are the most mission critical markets, so people like to place new hardware in the desktop market first as a test. I wouldn't be suprised if by next year, that is if the Hammer is a complete success, that Dresden be pumping out Hammers with most of it's resources.

 

[spanner]

Anyone have any Idea whether the hammers will be overclockable, I mean there is no FSB and the clock speed seems independant of memory speed, because from what I see they support PC1600 to PC2700 ram. any ideas, anyone? As for the release date, I am pretty sure it will be Opteron first and clawhammer next. As for the performance gain, the intergrated northbrige and memory controller is one seriosly kickass advantage over intel, I mean it is an entire bottleneck completely done away with.

 

[WarriorX]

Does anyone in these forums ever read roadmaps?
AMD's latest roadmap shows that the mainstream version of clawhammer will be released first, in Q4 2002. AMD would be nuts to release the server version first; they need to obtain approval before releasing server version if they want to charge higher prices.

AMD's Roadmap

 

[spanner]

Guess, you are right, clawhammer first then Opteron, all the better for me . I guess I was thinking along the lines of the XP processers, the Athlon MP came before the XP.

 

[WarriorX]

I am definately going to build myself a Clawhammer system. I am not sure if I am going to wait and build a Dual Clawhammer though...

 

[spanner]

Ive read somewhere the clawhammers won't be MP capable. Yup, roadmap shows it too. Only Opteron and Barton will go MP. Makes sense though, kind of like buying a dual celeron when you can get a P4.

 

[WarriorX]

spanner: Clawhammer MP is supposed to be same as Clawhammer standard, but will be named Opteron, as it is aimed at workstations/small servers.

 

[spanner]

Yup, looks like you are right again. talk about confusing naming. I hope the non MP clawhammers are not just MP castrated like the current XP's. Anyway if dual channel DDR is an option then I will likely go MP. I really hope they get cheap around christmas . I really hope the software companies get around to MP optimising their software, i know its hard but thats what they are paid for.