Handgun owners - do you keep one chambered at home?

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DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
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Thats because these Internet gunslingers we have here, are just that, internet gunslingers. What is funny is most of them live in neighborhoods where the biggest crime they see is a parking ticket. They totally ignore many facts. Like most burglaries occur when no one is home in the middle of the damn day. So much for those night vision goggles for this elite crime fighting crowd. They ignore that to the tune of almost 90%, these guns in their homes will be used in one way or another to injure a another family member, innocent person, or friend instead of a criminal.
Most of the Green Berets and Navy Seals we have here on this board, lol, have never ever actually met a real life criminal. Because if they did they would know two things. One, most of the hardcore criminals are not intimidated by their guns. Actually they love it, because stolen guns have nice value on the street. And 2, its a fact noise will drive away burglers faster than any gun. A common loud mouth beagle will do a better job than any gun on the planet in the middle of the night. But hey with all the Jason Bournes here, hell I am surprise we have any crime in this country at all.
Lock and load baby. More like load of bs, but hey they keep the internet safe. I feel so much safer when I come here. Spidey is a true marksman though. He can hit the keys on keyboard to the tune of 80 words a minute, reloading on the fly. Truly Elite

This.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Thats because these Internet gunslingers we have here, are just that, internet gunslingers. What is funny is most of them live in neighborhoods where the biggest crime they see is a parking ticket. They totally ignore many facts. Like most burglaries occur when no one is home in the middle of the damn day. So much for those night vision goggles for this elite crime fighting crowd. They ignore that to the tune of almost 90%, these guns in their homes will be used in one way or another to injure a another family member, innocent person, or friend instead of a criminal.
Most of the Green Berets and Navy Seals we have here on this board, lol, have never ever actually met a real life criminal. Because if they did they would know two things. One, most of the hardcore criminals are not intimidated by their guns. Actually they love it, because stolen guns have nice value on the street. And 2, its a fact noise will drive away burglers faster than any gun. A common loud mouth beagle will do a better job than any gun on the planet in the middle of the night. But hey with all the Jason Bournes here, hell I am surprise we have any crime in this country at all.
Lock and load baby. More like load of bs, but hey they keep the internet safe. I feel so much safer when I come here. Spidey is a true marksman though. He can hit the keys on keyboard to the tune of 80 words a minute, reloading on the fly. Truly Elite

I actually agree with you.

Well, except for the 90% chance of the gun being used against another family member.
 
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Zargon

Lifer
Nov 3, 2009
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aw


he called me Jason Bourne <3


and spewed out about 3 million assumptions about every gun owner on the board.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Always in condition 1 and everywhere not just at home.

Friend of mine was shot in off hand and could not ratchet slide so he got shot 2 more times in chest and neck. Carry in condition 1 and you can still operate with one hand.
 

TecHNooB

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Sep 10, 2005
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Thats because these Internet gunslingers we have here, are just that, internet gunslingers. What is funny is most of them live in neighborhoods where the biggest crime they see is a parking ticket. They totally ignore many facts. Like most burglaries occur when no one is home in the middle of the damn day. So much for those night vision goggles for this elite crime fighting crowd. They ignore that to the tune of almost 90%, these guns in their homes will be used in one way or another to injure a another family member, innocent person, or friend instead of a criminal.
Most of the Green Berets and Navy Seals we have here on this board, lol, have never ever actually met a real life criminal. Because if they did they would know two things. One, most of the hardcore criminals are not intimidated by their guns. Actually they love it, because stolen guns have nice value on the street. And 2, its a fact noise will drive away burglers faster than any gun. A common loud mouth beagle will do a better job than any gun on the planet in the middle of the night. But hey with all the Jason Bournes here, hell I am surprise we have any crime in this country at all.
Lock and load baby. More like load of bs, but hey they keep the internet safe. I feel so much safer when I come here. Spidey is a true marksman though. He can hit the keys on keyboard to the tune of 80 words a minute, reloading on the fly. Truly Elite

Everybody out, thread officially closed.
 
May 16, 2000
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My AR-15 isnt loaded but I have 10 rounds in a magazine next to it in the closet. If somebody breaks in my plan is to arm and call the police. If he comes down the hallway 1 warning round then the next nine come through the wall at him. If I dont get him with 9 shots it is fisticuffs time and pray he isnt armed or I jump out my window and wait for the police.

I dont own a handgun yet.

Check with police and a lawyer about your plan. In many (most) areas of the country firing a warning shot is a crime, and could even negate your later claim of self-defense.
 
May 16, 2000
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Thats because these Internet gunslingers we have here, are just that, internet gunslingers. What is funny is most of them live in neighborhoods where the biggest crime they see is a parking ticket. They totally ignore many facts. Like most burglaries occur when no one is home in the middle of the damn day. So much for those night vision goggles for this elite crime fighting crowd. They ignore that to the tune of almost 90%, these guns in their homes will be used in one way or another to injure a another family member, innocent person, or friend instead of a criminal.
Most of the Green Berets and Navy Seals we have here on this board, lol, have never ever actually met a real life criminal. Because if they did they would know two things. One, most of the hardcore criminals are not intimidated by their guns. Actually they love it, because stolen guns have nice value on the street. And 2, its a fact noise will drive away burglers faster than any gun. A common loud mouth beagle will do a better job than any gun on the planet in the middle of the night. But hey with all the Jason Bournes here, hell I am surprise we have any crime in this country at all.
Lock and load baby. More like load of bs, but hey they keep the internet safe. I feel so much safer when I come here. Spidey is a true marksman though. He can hit the keys on keyboard to the tune of 80 words a minute, reloading on the fly. Truly Elite

Abject lie. Thanks for spreading it and endangering lives (and liberties) by doing so.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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How do you explain the research done which shows that firearms are used between 800,000 and 2.5 million times annually in self-defense? Is that not significant, or do you think all the studies were flawed?

This is probably the most well-know study, but there are others: http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz1.htm

Honestly, I think those numbers are way too high and don't reflect reality.

You do realize that 800,000 is only about 0.2&#37; of the population of this country?

It is also logical to assume that the risks of being involved in a crime are drastically lower in some areas and drastically higher in others.

Personally, I think you gun nuts are just overly paranoid. I own many guns, I have for decades, and never do I feel the need to be armed all the time.
 
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olds

Elite Member
Mar 3, 2000
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It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

Captain obvious...:roll:

Is it better to carry a gun 24/7 and not need it than it is to not carry it and not need it? I'd rather not carry it and use my intellect to avoid confrontation than strap 4lbs of metal to my hip and carry it around every day. I think keeping your wits about you, avoiding sketchy areas and people, and having a cell phone will go a long way toward avoiding trouble.
 

hanoverphist

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Dec 7, 2006
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It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

between that bumper sticker and "i carry a gun because cops are too heavy" i always chuckle. and to jules, i rarely feel the NEED to be armed and ready, but i do carry it as a habit. im not always armed, nor do i ever think "oh shit! forgot the gak!" like i do with my cell phone. for the most part, altercations ive usually been in was too close quarters and too quick to even have time to grab a firearm, ive dealt with them regardless.
 

hanoverphist

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Why's that?

goes through walls after going through the intruder, could hit family members as well as neighbors. also, its easier to hit a moving target with a spray of pellets than it is with one single slug. my sks is the same way, it will go through steel plate at 10 yards, think what it would go through when up against drywall and insulation. and it if whizzes through the intruder, theres not a guarantee they are down.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Why's that?

Two words: Over penetration.

The muzzle velocity of a .223 round is about 2400fps. Compare that to a .45 ACP at about 900fps and you can see that the .223 will penetrate your target and possibly a few walls behind him.
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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Captain obvious...:roll:

Is it better to carry a gun 24/7 and not need it than it is to not carry it and not need it? I'd rather not carry it and use my intellect to avoid confrontation than strap 4lbs of metal to my hip and carry it around every day. I think keeping your wits about you, avoiding sketchy areas and people, and having a cell phone will go a long way toward avoiding trouble.

You act like it's one or the other. You can act the same way you advocate WHILE carrying. It doesn't mean the person carrying is going to pull his weapon and start blasting everyone in sight. It just means IF something happens, he/she is likely to come out on top with no additional wear and tear on his/her anus.

While you are using your wits and reasoning with the robber on PCP, he isn't paying any attention to you or what you are saying. He'll just add your cell and wallet to his collection. Then get into his stolen SUV and drive away.
 

daniel1113

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Jun 6, 2003
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Honestly, I think those numbers are way too high and don't reflect reality.

You do realize that 800,000 is only about 0.2% of the population of this country?

It is also logical to assume that the risks of being involved in a crime are drastically lower in some areas and drastically higher in others.

Personally, I think you gun nuts are just overly paranoid. I own many guns, I have for decades, and never do I feel the need to be armed all the time.

So, what evidence do you have to support your claim that "those numbers are way too high and don't reflect reality?" I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that your claims on the subject are irrelevant if you don't have some evidence to back them up.

As to your percentage argument, I'm not sure how that's relevant. Are you suggesting that 800,000 (on the low end) uses is irrelevant simply because we have a large population? Regardless of the percentage break down, 800,000 is a significant number.

Captain obvious...:roll:

Is it better to carry a gun 24/7 and not need it than it is to not carry it and not need it? I'd rather not carry it and use my intellect to avoid confrontation than strap 4lbs of metal to my hip and carry it around every day. I think keeping your wits about you, avoiding sketchy areas and people, and having a cell phone will go a long way toward avoiding trouble.

"Keeping your wits about you, avoiding sketchy areas and people, and having a cell phone" will in fact go a long way toward avoiding trouble. I don't think there is a gun owner that would disagree. However, carrying a gun doesn't negate those factors. It's merely another tool for the situations where those common-sense recommendations either don't work or are not applicable.
 

trmiv

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Absolutely not. If they are brazen enough to break in, knowing they could be killed for just stepping foot in my house they are probably armed already.


I let one of these investigate:



Not that I'm against gun ownership, it's just that my german shepherd does a hell of a lot better job at intimidating any would be intruders than I ever could, gun or no gun. And unlike me, he won't get scared if someone breaks in the house and screw up like I probably would. He just knows that someone that doesn't belong in his house is in his house, and he is going to let them know that.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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Two words: Over penetration.

The muzzle velocity of a .223 round is about 2400fps. Compare that to a .45 ACP at about 900fps and you can see that the .223 will penetrate your target and possibly a few walls behind him.

This has been debunked. 5.56mm NATO has less wall penetration than 12ga buck shot in most cases. Check out box o' truth.

SWAT teams have pretty much universally switched from 9mm submachine guns to 5.56mm carbines.
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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between that bumper sticker and "i carry a gun because cops are too heavy" i always chuckle. and to jules, i rarely feel the NEED to be armed and ready, but i do carry it as a habit. im not always armed, nor do i ever think "oh shit! forgot the gak!" like i do with my cell phone. for the most part, altercations ive usually been in was too close quarters and too quick to even have time to grab a firearm, ive dealt with them regardless.
The one time I needed one, I was at work and couldn't carry.
The only thing that kept me from becoming another victim of the dude on PCP that was covered in blood from just chopping up his girlfriend with a hatchet was my wits.
That and a truck door between us and a punch in the mouth from me.
The only thing he responded to was the cops pointing guns at him. It still took 4 of them to cuff him.

If I had been out of my vehicle, I would likely be dead. Maybe not so dead if I had been carrying.
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
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The one time I needed one, I was at work and couldn't carry.
The only thing that kept me from becoming another victim of the dude on PCP that was covered in blood from just chopping up his girlfriend with a hatchet was my wits.
That and a truck door between us and a punch in the mouth from me.
The only thing he responded to was the cops pointing guns at him. It still took 4 of them to cuff him.

If I had been out of my vehicle, I would likely be dead. Maybe not so dead if I had been carrying.

Summary: You didn't need a gun.
 
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