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[Jeeebus]

Something to think about... In that situation, it would not be one robber kicking your bedroom door down. You'd have 1-2 guys at that exterior door and 1-2 inside.

People that do home invasions at night are not that interested in robbing you. They do other terrible things that you and your wife will never fully recover from.

If four assailants are in your house and hell bent on doing terrible things to you and your family, it's not going to make much difference whether you've got a 9mm, .357, shotgun, or nerf gun.

You're pretty much fucked.

 

[highland145]

If four assailants are in your house and hell bent on doing terrible things to you and your family, it's not going to make much difference whether you've got a 9mm, .357, shotgun, or nerf gun.

You're pretty much fucked.

But if it's only 2, then a .22 will suffice.

For the second time this week, an armed Columbia County resident has stopped a burglary - this time, with fatal results for the would-be burglar.

Justin Anthony Stephens, 19, of Grovetown, was killed Wednesday night after breaking into a Martinez apartment, where the renter's son shot him with a .22-caliber rifle, according to the Columbia County Sheriff's Office.

Stephens and an unidentified accomplice knocked on the door of Bruce Barrett's Petersburg Square apartment at about 7:30 p.m., sheriff's Capt. Steve Morris said. When Barrett cracked the door, the two men dressed in black wearing bandanas over their faces forced their way inside and struggled with Barrett and his 15-year-old son.

"The 15-year-old broke free, retrieved his father's .22-caliber rifle and fired at least two shots," Morris said, adding that Stephens was shot in the back.

Stephens was found on the ground just outside the apartment, Columbia County Coroner Vernon Collins said. He was pronounced dead at the scene. Morris said Stephens doesn't have a Columbia County criminal history.

A Thursday autopsy performed at the Georgia Bureau of Investigation Crime Lab in Augusta determined that Stephens died from a gunshot to his back, in which the bullet lodged in his chest. He also was shot a second time in the left arm, Collins said.

:thumbsup:


http://newstimes.augusta.com/ccnt/2012-02-29/martinez-teen-fatally-wounds-man-during-home-invasion

 

[velillen]

I'd say that's largely a training issue. My home defense is a commmander 1911, and while it's a more complicated battery of arms I've practiced drawing it so many times that even when aiming revolvers I instinctively swipe where the 1911 safety would be (I keep it cocked and locked). My concealed carry is a Sig P238, so the reflexes are transferable.

But whatever works.

o i didnt mean it wasnt a training or more of a familiarity thing for me. I only shoot their guns maybe once every 6 months and only maybe 25 rounds. Whereas ill put 250 round through my gun in the same time frame. Im sure if and when i get a semi-auto and put the same amount of rounds through it ill become just as comfortable with it as i am with the revolver. Same as i wouldnt hand my brother the revolver to defend himself with since he isnt used to it at all.

Something to think about... In that situation, it would not be one robber kicking your bedroom door down. You'd have 1-2 guys at that exterior door and 1-2 inside.

People that do home invasions at night are not that interested in robbing you. They do other terrible things that you and your wife will never fully recover from.

you can play the well in this situation or that situation game endlessly. If they are truly hellbent on inflicting pain then they have already looked through the window, seen us sleeping, and are bum rushing at us and i wont even have time to grab the gun anyways. (seeing as outside door is ~10 feet from the bed).

And four guys for buglary? Seems like most news stories are more along the lines of a single guy or a pair.

 

[SP33Demon]

If four assailants are in your house and hell bent on doing terrible things to you and your family, it's not going to make much difference whether you've got a 9mm, .357, shotgun, or nerf gun.

You're pretty much fucked.

Um, assault rifle like an mp5 would make quick work of them assuming you could get to it before they get to your bedroom.

 

[irishScott]

If four assailants are in your house and hell bent on doing terrible things to you and your family, it's not going to make much difference whether you've got a 9mm, .357, shotgun, or nerf gun.

You're pretty much fucked.

Actually it kinda would... you know via the whole being able to kill bad guys thing. In the astronomically unlikely chance I end up in such a situation with no way out I'll take my chances with my .45 as opposed to rolling over and dying per your suggestion.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

If four assailants are in your house and hell bent on doing terrible things to you and your family, it's not going to make much difference whether you've got a 9mm, .357, shotgun, or nerf gun.

You're pretty much fucked.

Not true at all.

you can play the well in this situation or that situation game endlessly. If they are truly hellbent on inflicting pain then they have already looked through the window, seen us sleeping, and are bum rushing at us and i wont even have time to grab the gun anyways. (seeing as outside door is ~10 feet from the bed).

And four guys for buglary? Seems like most news stories are more along the lines of a single guy or a pair.

These situations are very rarely reported in mainstream news. I grew up in the ghetto and saw numerous times exactly how these things go down, and it is usually with minimum 3 guys.

I'm not playing the if game or whatever you're talking about. I'm saying that you need to be aware of your home and how it would be invaded in a case like that. You should be at least halfway prepared for it. I'm not saying to lose sleep or sleep with one eye open, or anything like that.. But have a better plan that running out the back door that is probably covered anyway.

People also need to be aware that a 'robber' will hit during the daytime when no one is home. Someone who just wants to take your stuff will NOT want you home and will make sure you're gone before entering.

Someone entering your home at night isn't there for the jewelry.

 

[TheNinja]

I'm looking at handguns as well, but live in the communist state of California. I currently have a Mossy 500 12ga 20" that holds 7+1 for home defense.

I'd really like to add a pistol to my mix for either backup or to put on another level of the house. Pistol also leaves a hand free and is easier to conceal around my bed since I have kids in the house now. I also understand that some hollow point 9mm are less prone to overpenetration in a house as compared to buckshot.

I'm debating 9mm vs .45....leaning towards 9mm for cheaper ammo and likely larger capacity. I really like the punch that a .45 has though....so I could always go .40 otherwise. In a perfect world, I'd have a smaller revolver in ankle holster that can shoot .357 mag but I'd practice with .38 special.

I have a buddy who has tons of different brands in multiple calibers so I can always feel some of his for brand.

 

[irishScott]

you can play the well in this situation or that situation game endlessly. If they are truly hellbent on inflicting pain then they have already looked through the window, seen us sleeping, and are bum rushing at us and i wont even have time to grab the gun anyways. (seeing as outside door is ~10 feet from the bed).

And four guys for buglary? Seems like most news stories are more along the lines of a single guy or a pair.

I live in an area with just above national average crime. Last year the local news reported about 5 armed guys in masks busting into a local apartment, apparently they were looking for drug money. They were later caught, but here's the catch: They had the wrong apartment. Suffice it to say the apartment's two denizens (who were there at the time) are lucky to be alive.

Granted stuff like that happens once in a blue moon around here, but it does happen.

 

[schneiderguy]

Um, assault rifle like an mp5 would make quick work of them assuming you could get to it before they get to your bedroom.

The MP5 is a submachine gun.

 

[velillen]

In a perfect world, I'd have a smaller revolver in ankle holster that can shoot .357 mag but I'd practice with .38 special.

Just an FYI but a 357mag shoots a bit different than a 38 special. Lot more kick to it. Not saying youd be totally off if you only shot 38's in it but just gotta remember they do behave a bit differently when using the mags.

People also need to be aware that a 'robber' will hit during the daytime when no one is home. Someone who just wants to take your stuff will NOT want you home and will make sure you're gone before entering.

Someone entering your home at night isn't there for the jewelry.

Not true at all. Quite a few robberies around this area happen late evening/nighttime. Most upon solving end up being friends of friends or something though. But there have been a few where the owners have been at home while the robbers enter the garage and take what they can from there. (granted all this is spread out over years)

 

[clamum]

Damn, SpatiallyAware. Agree with everything you said in post 103 except for the "not 5'10" and fat you'll want a single stack". Other than that, bravo.

The fucking fanboyism is pathetic when it comes to firearms. I don't really get it either. Just this past Tuesday I was on Michelle Vescusi's website chat (she got eliminated from Top Shot last week) and Glocks came up. I said "Yeah either XD or Glock would work well". First reply from someone? "xds suck". LOL. Ok there buddy, I'm sure you've got lots of trigger time on them too. And really, it's not even trigger time. Maybe you don't like the looks, or the grip safety. But "suck"? Come the fuck on. Forums and the Internet in general are full of fucking trash like that.

 

[alkemyst]

this thread is fucked. Even being overweight has now come into a gun thread.

Fortunately I don't think anyone above will ever need to fire their gun in real life, although I am sure many have stories of breaking people off.

 

[TheVrolok]

this thread is fucked. Even being overweight has now come into a gun thread.

Fortunately I don't think anyone above will ever need to fire their gun in real life, although I am sure many have stories of breaking people off.

God willing.

 

[alkemyst]

I'm not sure I'm getting your logic or reasoning here...I carry a double stack compact .45 when I can carry, which isn't daily since I'm not allowed to carry at work however every other moment I'm out it's with me. Exactly how do you KNOW when you'll NEED it? ANd about rotating the piece carried how do you think that means they don't believe they'll need it? You can be proficient with more than one at a time and choosing different pieces depending on what your wearing makes sense...and a large caliber in a sub compact is perfectly fine given how most scenarios play out under 7 yds, odds are your target is not going to be 25-50 yds away, and if they are chances are you shouldn't be firing it

you are clearly a ballah.

I really have nothing more to say.

 

[rudeguy]

God willing.

I'm kind of hoping these solar flares somehow trigger a zombie infestation. I don't ever want to have to shoot a human. I'd love to blast a couple dozen zombies though.

 

[JulesMaximus]

And this thread has gone from nuts to batshit insane...

 

[ussfletcher]

How do you guys feel about the 10mm round? I will be in the market to buy soon, that is after I graduate. I have always been intrigued by this particular round, its more powerful than the 40s&w but far less popular. I grew up shooting rifles and shotguns mostly, but I have shot hundreds of rounds between my father's and brother's 45s (one is a Colt, not sure about the other, though), and while I'm accurate with them at 10 yards and I'm a large guy (6'2" 220) I don't think they would be comfortable for concealed carry. I was looking at the Glock 29, if any of you are familiar.

 

[JulesMaximus]

How do you guys feel about the 10mm round? I will be in the market to buy soon, that is after I graduate. I have always been intrigued by this particular round, its more powerful than the 40s&w but far less popular. I grew up shooting rifles and shotguns mostly, but I have shot hundreds of rounds between my father's and brother's 45s (one is a Colt, not sure about the other, though), and while I'm accurate with them at 10 yards and I'm a large guy (6'2" 220) I don't think they would be comfortable for concealed carry. I was looking at the Glock 29, if any of you are familiar.

Never shot one, never owned one. Ammo is difficult to come by and expensive. And nobody seems to carry 10mm handguns for sale. Personally, I'd go with 40 S&W or .45 ACP.

 

[irishScott]

How do you guys feel about the 10mm round? I will be in the market to buy soon, that is after I graduate. I have always been intrigued by this particular round, its more powerful than the 40s&w but far less popular. I grew up shooting rifles and shotguns mostly, but I have shot hundreds of rounds between my father's and brother's 45s (one is a Colt, not sure about the other, though), and while I'm accurate with them at 10 yards and I'm a large guy (6'2" 220) I don't think they would be comfortable for concealed carry. I was looking at the Glock 29, if any of you are familiar.

In terms of defensive capability, the 10mm is arguably the most capable handgun round on the market overall. (Jeff Cooper himself argued as such more than once)

The downside is cost. It's nearly twice as much/round as .45 ACP. If I ever bought one it would be a range toy for that reason alone; I need to train with guns I might actually have to use, and that necessitates relatively affordable ammo.

 

[BladeVenom]

To bring the cost of shooting a 10mm down you can get .40 barrel for your 10mm or you can start reloading.

Your choices in new firearms are limited to Glocks 20 & 29, some 1911s, and EAA Witness. S&W use to make a 10mm, and of course there's the Bren Ten.

I think the 10mm is getting more popular.

 

[gorobei]

How do you guys feel about the 10mm round? I will be in the market to buy soon, that is after I graduate. I have always been intrigued by this particular round, its more powerful than the 40s&w but far less popular. I grew up shooting rifles and shotguns mostly, but I have shot hundreds of rounds between my father's and brother's 45s (one is a Colt, not sure about the other, though), and while I'm accurate with them at 10 yards and I'm a large guy (6'2" 220) I don't think they would be comfortable for concealed carry. I was looking at the Glock 29, if any of you are familiar.

10mm is a wonderful round, just not very practical.

at the original Norma loading spec 200gr @ 1100 fps it nears some of the milder 44 magnum loads. the speed demon versions 135gr @ 1200 fps mimic .357 territory. it is a very fast, flat trajectory round, very good at retaining energy at longer distances.

the problem is most factory loadings are too anemic. most of the middle velocity 135 -165gr loads are barely any different than .40cal and way harder to buy commercially.

handloading is the only way to keep a 10mm gun fed without breaking the wallet. the only upside being that the popularity of 40cal and its interchangeability with 10mm(same diameter) means there are plenty of good hollowpoint designs around to load with.

 

[brainhulk]

Thread tl,dr. What's the consensus on the best handgun?

 

[highland145]

Thread tl,dr. What's the consensus on the best handgun?

Saiga 12.

 

[Zargon]

Glocks are less forgiving then handguns that have a physical safety lever.

Wake up from the sound of breaking of glass at 3am, roll over half asleep, you better hope you do not grab that glock by the trigger. Most people can not hit the snooze button on their alarm clock at 6 am, much less grab a pistol at 3am.

Thats a training issue

one should NEVER be near the trigger when picking up a gun

if you, you are doing it WRONG and you need to train more.

Its personal preference.

Come back when your glock is 100 years old and still shootable.

coming back to this. any decent quality gun that is well kept will last a lifetime.

people have stress tested glocks well past 20,000 rounds of ammo without clenaing and worn the barrels out, replaced it, and it still fires accurately.

sitting ona shelf 'for a hundred years' doesnt mean shit. most OLD 1911's arent that old anyways, they are WW2/korea surplus, most 1911's I encounter are newer 'boutique' guns like kimbers and les baers

Love my XD-40 service and XD-40 sub compact. The XD-9 seems like its the same except mag capacity. Would be a solid piece. I hated the XD-m line. Overpriced garbage IMO. The standard XD line is very good competition to the Glock line. I just don't think Glocks are worth the added price.

last time i checked glocks were the same price as the XD's and cheaper than the M's, I personally like the M's but havent shot them much

 

[Zargon]

How do you guys feel about the 10mm round? I will be in the market to buy soon, that is after I graduate. I have always been intrigued by this particular round, its more powerful than the 40s&w but far less popular. I grew up shooting rifles and shotguns mostly, but I have shot hundreds of rounds between my father's and brother's 45s (one is a Colt, not sure about the other, though), and while I'm accurate with them at 10 yards and I'm a large guy (6'2" 220) I don't think they would be comfortable for concealed carry. I was looking at the Glock 29, if any of you are familiar.

you better be rich

they cost a TON to shoot