Hans Blix deserves apology

[bentwookie]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Actually Don Knotts owes you an ass kicking for you taking the name of a character he made famous and managing to make it even more of a moniker for stupidity.

What part of "No personal attacks in this forum" don't you understand? If some of you can't conduct yourselves in a mature manner then you can go post on the "Highlights" magazine message board with the other 5 year olds.

he's just speaking the truth.

 

[mastertech01]

There are still people to this day that dont believe the Germans executed all those Jews in WWII.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Let's be honest . . . if Iraq had A LOT of WMD it would be relatively easy to find . . . even in a country the size of California.

If we had legitimate intelligence about WMD in Iraq . . . it would be relatively easy to find.

Only an idiot would believe the US would commit hundreds of thousands of troops to invade a country without dedicating at least several hundred in Special Ops to FIND if not fully disable Saddam's ability to use WMD.

We've been looking for months . . . even well before the war . . . once on the ground we were looking even harder. To say we've been fighting a war is true and irrelevant. We've been looking for WMD we just haven't found it . . . yet.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Let's be honest . . . if Iraq had A LOT of WMD it would be relatively easy to find . . . even in a country the size of California.

If we had legitimate intelligence about WMD in Iraq . . . it would be relatively easy to find.

Only an idiot would believe the US would commit hundreds of thousands of troops to invade a country without dedicating at least several hundred in Special Ops to FIND if not fully disable Saddam's ability to use WMD.

We've been looking for months . . . even well before the war . . . once on the ground we were looking even harder. To say we've been fighting a war is true and irrelevant. We've been looking for WMD we just haven't found it . . . yet.

The same people who said 12 years wasn't long enough and we just need more time for the inspections to work are now wringing their hands because after 3 weeks of fighting and dying to take over another country, our troops haven't found anything.

The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Actually Don Knotts owes you an ass kicking for you taking the name of a character he made famous and managing to make it even more of a moniker for stupidity.

What part of "No personal attacks in this forum" don't you understand? If some of you can't conduct yourselves in a mature manner then you can go post on the "Highlights" magazine message board with the other 5 year olds.

You mean the personal attack you are making on Don Knotts by denigrating his most famous character?

I will respond to you posts in a "mature manner" when they are worthy of such a response.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: NightTrain

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Let's be honest . . . if Iraq had A LOT of WMD it would be relatively easy to find . . . even in a country the size of California.

If we had legitimate intelligence about WMD in Iraq . . . it would be relatively easy to find.

Only an idiot would believe the US would commit hundreds of thousands of troops to invade a country without dedicating at least several hundred in Special Ops to FIND if not fully disable Saddam's ability to use WMD.

We've been looking for months . . . even well before the war . . . once on the ground we were looking even harder. To say we've been fighting a war is true and irrelevant. We've been looking for WMD we just haven't found it . . . yet.

The same people who said 12 years wasn't long enough and we just need more time for the inspections to work are now wringing their hands because after 3 weeks of fighting and dying to take over another country, our troops haven't found anything.

The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

I agree. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to indicate that Iraq does indeed have WMD (all those chem suits and atropine injectors, for one) that direct evidence should turn up as people begin to talk now that the regime's influence has been neutralized.

 

[Lucky]

I think you meant to say "Hans Blix deserves TO apologize"...right?

 

[ABErickson]

If Iraq didn't have anything to hide, why did they throw out the UN weapons inspectors 5 years ago?

 

[freakflag]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: freakflag

Suppose I put you and two of your most intelligent and resourceful friends in the middle of 640 acres and charge you with the task of finding a quarter that I have hidden somewhere in that 640 acres.......?

Wow, all the WMDs stacked together are only the size of a quarter?

Technology is amazing.

How big is a quarter multiplied by 171,599?

Use your head before you post please. I know it's tough with all of that anti-American hate fulminating in there, but, it might save you from looking like the village idiot.

 

[SuperTool]

Here is another valid point. Saddam hasn't used WMD even when faced with death. There goes out of the window the assertion that he would use it agains his neighbors with no provocation.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Here is another valid point. Saddam hasn't used WMD even when faced with death. There goes out of the window the assertion that he would use it agains his neighbors with no provocation.

It proves nothing. It is just as possible that Saddam wasn't capable of issuing the orders authorizing their use.

 

[Ornery]

That's a friggin' retarded point! Did it ever occur to you that half his army quit before it ever got started! A quarter of it was blown to pieces hours after it started. Communications were in the toilet almost immediately. Did they even have a chance to pull the trigger on that crap? Ever think at all?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It proves nothing. It is just as possible that Saddam wasn't capable of issuing the orders authorizing their use.

I doubt it Dave. The story being fed to the US public varied by the day in the days and weeks preceeding the war:

1) Saddam had issued orders for regional commanders to use chem/bio weapons at their discretion.

2) Saddam would certainly use chem/bio weapons once an attack was eminent.

During the first two weeks:

1) Saddam's regime had denoted demarcation lines which called for use of chem/bio weapons once US forces encroached.

2) Saddam will use chem/bio weapons once troops enter Baghdad in order to produce maximum carnage.

State controlled television ran 24hrs for almost two weeks . . . there were plenty of opportunities to issue a chem/bio command . . . Saddam (if alive) or his hellspawn could still watch CNN afterwards and send coded messages via their Information Minister for almost 3 weeks. I agree it is possible US efforts disrupted Saddam's ability to issue a particular order but it is far more likely that Iraq lacks an extensive, easily mobilized/utilized supply of chem/bio weapons. We can probably thank Hans Blix for that . . . with a definite salute to King George for lighting a fire under the UN sufficient to pass 1441.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It proves nothing. It is just as possible that Saddam wasn't capable of issuing the orders authorizing their use.

I doubt it Dave. The story being fed to the US public varied by the day in the days and weeks preceeding the war:

1) Saddam had issued orders for regional commanders to use chem/bio weapons at their discretion.

2) Saddam would certainly use chem/bio weapons once an attack was eminent.

During the first two weeks:

1) Saddam's regime had denoted demarcation lines which called for use of chem/bio weapons once US forces encroached.

2) Saddam will use chem/bio weapons once troops enter Baghdad in order to produce maximum carnage.

State controlled television ran 24hrs for almost two weeks . . . there were plenty of opportunities to issue a chem/bio command . . . Saddam (if alive) or his hellspawn could still watch CNN afterwards and send coded messages via their Information Minister for almost 3 weeks. I agree it is possible US efforts disrupted Saddam's ability to issue a particular order but it is far more likely that Iraq lacks an extensive, easily mobilized/utilized supply of chem/bio weapons. We can probably thank Hans Blix for that . . . with a definite salute to King George for lighting a fire under the UN sufficient to pass 1441.

The point I was making was that just because he didn't use them doesn't automatically mean that he would not have used them against his neighbors. Apparently we will never know. Past performance is still the best indicator of future performance but it is still not definitive.

With the exception of the CIA saying that Saddam was more likely to use WMD if attacked (they really went out on a limb with that analysis

) most of the other things you posted I mostly attribute to media hype. I hope Michael Powell makes a decision soon, the flag waving is wearing thin.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Now for the less deserving . . .

The same people who said 12 years wasn't long enough and we just need more time for the inspections to work are now wringing their hands because after 3 weeks of fighting and dying to take over another country, our troops haven't found anything.

When did I ever say 12 years wasn't long enough?! Bush, 2 doses of Clinton, and a pinch of more Bush had flashes of effective inspections but calling it 12 years is akin to describing your evening self-flagellation as 24hr wanking . . . OK maybe that's a bad example.

In the absence of resumed inspections . . . several dozen more Al Samoud's would have been available to fire on our troops. Bush, Blair, and Dick didn't protect our troops from those weapons; Hans Blix did. If I'm not mistaken Blix et al also supervised the destruction of several warheads capable of delivering chem/bio weapons. Saddam's ineffective defense of his country is at least a hint that his ability to harm America in the near future was weak. Six more months of inspections would have meant ALL the Al Samoud weapons would have been destroyed with UN inspectors posted at factories to prohibit future production. Non-compliance would certainly have led to a REAL coalition of the willing regardless of the actions of malcontents like Russia and sometimes France.

PS . . . I have little compassion for Iraqi troops even though they were fighting a futile battle to defend their country from invasion. On the other hand, thousands of Iraqi civilian casualties have caused me to wring my hands . . . the duplicity of my government and the ignorance of my fellow Americans just makes me nauseated.

If Iraq didn't have anything to hide, why did they throw out the UN weapons inspectors 5 years ago?

Maybe it was the US/UK spy operations . . . I'm sure Saddam had something to hide . . . but everybody is hiding something. The US government does all kinds of things we don't want anybody else to know about . . . is that proof that our government is up to no good? Conspiracy theorists need not reply.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDocinspections but calling it 12 years is akin to describing your evening self-flagellation as 24hr wanking . . . OK maybe that's a bad example.

I assumed I was discussing this with an adult. My mistake.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

You called me a hypocrite . . . I called you a nocturnal spanker. After you wash your hand, we can shake and call it a day.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

You called me a hypocrite . . . I called you a nocturnal spanker. After you wash your hand, we can shake and call it a day.

Sorry if I don't play along but the sandbox looks a bit full.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Big Al
If Iraq didn't have anything to hide, why did they throw out the UN weapons inspectors 5 years ago?

They were not "thrown" out, they left then were refused re-entry.

 

[styrafoam]

Did anyone see the Conan O'Brien when he gave Hans some Valentine's chocolates? That was funny---------

On a related note this series of Frontline is probably the best summarization of Iraq and the inspectors. Tons of good info, especially the interviews with the inspectors and Dr. Hamza(defected head of the Iraqi nuclear program). The things the inspectors went through is unbelievable, Iraq never complied and thwarted/delayed almost every inspection ever conducted. Why would they do this? Why would people even give them any kind of leway? Read the whole site, its worth it.

 

[Krugger]

Originally posted by: freakflag

Originally posted by: BarneyFife Many people were ridiculing him because he couldn't find anything. Well the Marines have been in there for 3 weeks and have found nothing either. As a matter of fact, the government is offering people monetary rewards if they give information of wmd. This means that they are also clueless. Where are all the locations Colon Powell named off? If it holds true and they don't find anything, I would assume that the UN weapons inspections, sanctions, and the no fly zone worked and Saddam Hussein was actually honest. I'm sure the administration will come up with a great lie "They transported the wmd into Syria, lets get them next".

Since I'm too lazy to type this all out again, I'll just cut and past from what I stated in the mobile bio lab thread: It's a country the size of California. Let me put it into perspective for you. Iraq has an area of approximately 171,599 square miles. Let's assume that the Coalition has 500,000 troops in Iraq. (I think that's high, but, I'm not sure what the current total is so...whatever.) That averages out to a little under 3 people per square mile. 1 Square mile equals 640 acres. Suppose I put you and two of your most intelligent and resourceful friends in the middle of 640 acres and charge you with the task of finding a quarter that I have hidden somewhere in that 640 acres........while I take pot shots at you with an AK-47 and send rabbits with bombs up thier asses to try and blow you up. How long do you think it would take you to find that quarter?

Great post. I like it.
-Krugger

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Big Al
If Iraq didn't have anything to hide, why did they throw out the UN weapons inspectors 5 years ago?

They were not "thrown" out, they left then were refused re-entry.

You are correct in that the inspectors left.

Now tell me why they left.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: freakflag

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: freakflag

Suppose I put you and two of your most intelligent and resourceful friends in the middle of 640 acres and charge you with the task of finding a quarter that I have hidden somewhere in that 640 acres.......?

Wow, all the WMDs stacked together are only the size of a quarter?

Technology is amazing.

How big is a quarter multiplied by 171,599?

Use your head before you post please. I know it's tough with all of that anti-American hate fulminating in there, but, it might save you from looking like the village idiot.

$42,899.75? How does 42 thousand dollars make me anti-American?

 

[frugal1]

Blix was anti-war all along and was doing whatever he could to NOT provide a reason to go to war. One example is when he found the Unmanned Arial Vehicles (pilotless planes) he didn't mention them in his big speech to the U.N. Those UAV's could have been The Smoking Gun.

Now he is speaking to the press about what an evil man Bush is. This is not the voice of a "neutral" man.

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: NightTrain

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Let's be honest . . . if Iraq had A LOT of WMD it would be relatively easy to find . . . even in a country the size of California.

If we had legitimate intelligence about WMD in Iraq . . . it would be relatively easy to find.

Only an idiot would believe the US would commit hundreds of thousands of troops to invade a country without dedicating at least several hundred in Special Ops to FIND if not fully disable Saddam's ability to use WMD.

We've been looking for months . . . even well before the war . . . once on the ground we were looking even harder. To say we've been fighting a war is true and irrelevant. We've been looking for WMD we just haven't found it . . . yet.

The same people who said 12 years wasn't long enough and we just need more time for the inspections to work are now wringing their hands because after 3 weeks of fighting and dying to take over another country, our troops haven't found anything.

The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

Doesn't case to amaze me either.