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eng2d2

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This is my FAVORITE TOOL OF ALL TIME. It's like $15 and I think I use it once a week. Need a hole for an outlet in a wall? BZZZZZZZT. Need a stripped screw head removed from a board? BZZZZT. Need a PVC pipe cut quickly? BZZZZZT. They need to make a holster for this thing for men to instantly put holes in things

Variable not necessary??
 

herm0016

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the variable speed is nice if you use it for sanding at all. just don't buy their blades or sanding stuff, its all super crap.

Variable not necessary??


i picked up a set of impact wobbles, extensions, the hammer type impact driver and a set of torx 1/2 drive sockets for doing a brake job on my truck over the weekend. all of those together cost less than a set of impact wobbles anywhere else. all worked great.
 
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There's a HF a mile from my house. I buy a lot from them and have been quite satisfied. Most recently, I purchased 4'x8' utility trailer kit that I built into a kayak trailer for $259 (always use a coupon).

There's a channel on YT I watch a lot called "The Den of Tools" He covers a lot of the tools and sales at HF (and other stores). It's a good starting point for learning what is quality and what is crap at HF as well as what "deals" are a good price or not.
 

spacejamz

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Garage is a mix of HF and non-HF tools but I haven't had any issues with the HF ones...my reciprocating saw gets a lot of yard use, especially cutting up tree roots that come up to the surface...

I'm another 'Always use a coupon' person here...
 

Perknose

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But I think that's becoming the norm at most retailers anymore

D: AHHHHHH why does this keep happening? ...what has happened to the common grammar in the last ~4 years or so where I've noticed this random, absurd and nonsensical abuse of "anymore" in so many obviously senseless places? lol--does this sound right to anyone? just think about it...please read that sentence again to yourself, lol (not just you, the two dozen or so people that keep typing that crap on these forums)

Doesn't bother me all that much, zin . . . and a TON of incorrect usage here does. <shrug>

Any more is also an adverb and has the meaning of ‘no longer’ or ‘in the past but not now.’ In this meaning, we use it in end position:
We don’t go to Cornwall on holiday any more. (We used to go in the past but not now.)​
The cost of electricity is not cheap any more.
Especially in American English, any more, as an adverb, can be written as one word, anymore: He doesn't cycle anymore.

I give it a "colloquial usage" pass. I see it as analogous to the following, also a "colloquial usage" instance:

A: "Would you mind if I join you?"
B: "Sure" or "Yes."

Of course, the proper grammatical answer if you don't mind is, "No (I don't mind.)"

^^^ The answer "Yes" is robustly "bass ackwards," but everyone understands.

In the phrase, "But I think that's becoming the norm at most retailers anymore" I take the usage of "anymore" as colloquially, if not strictly grammatically referring to the status quo ante before the new norm.

Finally, forgive me for this post, please. To quote the noted swinger hal2kilo:



 

Perknose

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But I think that's becoming the norm at most retailers anymore

D: AHHHHHH why does this keep happening? ...what has happened to the common grammar in the last ~4 years or so where I've noticed this random, absurd and nonsensical abuse of "anymore" in so many obviously senseless places?

HA! Turns out my ear for our language does indeed trump your grammatical pedantry, zin!

From the Wiki:

Positive anymore
is the use of the adverb anymore in an affirmative context.[1] While any more (also spelled anymore) is typically a negative/interrogative polarity item used in negative, interrogative, or hypothetical contexts, speakers of some dialects of English use it in positive or affirmative contexts,[notes 1] with a meaning similar to nowadays or from now on.[1][2]

Yale.edu:

Positive anymore
"Twitter can be a professional job anymore."
(YGDP Database 2011)

Positive anymore is the usage of the word anymore in a non-negative context with a meaning similar to nowadays,
 

Muse

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D: AHHHHHH why does this keep happening? ...what has happened to the common grammar in the last ~4 years or so where I've noticed this random, absurd and nonsensical abuse of "anymore" in so many obviously senseless places? lol--does this sound right to anyone? just think about it...please read that sentence again to yourself, lol (not just you, the two dozen or so people that keep typing that crap on these forums)
I haven't noticed anymore... The one word that I keep hearing that bothers me, it's the gratuitous use of the word "like" sprinkled into people's speech. I also have developed an allergy to the words: little, a bit, slightly. I think these are symptoms of the prevarication that's seeped into the modern mind. Do we hear any straight talkers anymore?
 

Perknose

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I also have developed an allergy to the words: little, a bit, slightly.
The current idiot place holder, for which we can thank the British, is "sort of."

I think these are symptoms of the prevarication that's seeped into the modern mind.
Yours is, at best, a wholly inelegant use of the word "prevaricate," which means, bluntly, "to lie." There are better words to convey your intended meaning of "subtle diffusion from the absolute straightforward and clear" than "to lie."

Do we hear any straight talkers anymore?
I have to wonder if you realize that you are using "anymore" in the exact way that zinfamous was railing against!
 

Muse

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The current idiot place holder, for which we can thank the British, is "sort of."

Yours is, at best, a wholly inelegant use of the word "prevaricate," which means, bluntly, "to lie." There are better words to convey your intended meaning of "subtle diffusion from the absolute straightforward and clear" than "to lie."

I have to wonder if you realize that you are using "anymore" in the exact way that zinfamous was railing against!
Not sure, but I'm fine with that usage. I could have said "these days" but WTH. I don't give two figs about the use of "anymore." Yes, I'll throw in "sort of," that usage is egregious too.

Maybe I've been overusing "prevaricate" recently, but that's what I'm seeing. People are dodging issues, and to me that's prevarication. My impression was that it is different than to "lie." It is more a sense of distortion with the intent of misleading, not simply lying. Notice below, where "lie" is the 16th synonym they offer! It's clearly quite different from lying.

pre·var·i·cate
/pr?'ver??kat/

verb: prevaricate; 3rd person present: prevaricates; past tense: prevaricated; past participle: prevaricated; gerund or present participle: prevaricating

speak or act in an evasive way.

"he seemed to prevaricate when journalists asked pointed questions"

synonyms: be evasive, beat about the bush, hedge, fence, shilly-shally, shuffle, dodge (the issue), sidestep (the issue), pussyfoot, equivocate, be noncommittal, parry questions, be vague, vacillate, quibble, cavil, lie; More
temporize, stall, stall for time; hum and haw; informalduck the issue;
archaicpalter; raretergiversate
"he seemed to prevaricate when journalists asked pointed questions about his involvement"

I discovered it because of this band:
 
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My number of visits to home depot can clearly be correlated with a huge down slope the moment I had a kid heh.


Now I'm just like "ehhh, fuck it - how much do I have to pay for someone else to do it instead?"
 

slag

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I own 3 pairs of these gloves. One I keep in the truck, one I use in the garage, and the other I wear when riding my jetskis. They fit well, are cheap, and last a long time. I like them and they are regularly $4.99, less with 20% off.
 
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eng2d2

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My number of visits to home depot can clearly be correlated with a huge down slope the moment I had a kid heh.


Now I'm just like "ehhh, fuck it - how much do I have to pay for someone else to do it instead?"
you wonder if they are doing it right?

I boutght a $500 gate, I had someone install it but I am afraid to look at the work he did because he probably cut it wrong in some area. They don’t care. If I am not to embarrass to be seen by neighbor doing my gate I would do it myself. No one cares about your stuff when you find someone to do it.

I also went to home deposit last week. I saw an employee who look saw confident , look like a normal employee(30). Very arrogant and talk knowledgeable. I ask him to cut my 2 X 4. Bastard cut it wrong by 1/4. Lucky wood length was not critical to my project. He tried to blame it on me and didn’t even offered to replace. So I went to tegesiter to pay and the lady cashier took so long to price the wood that the manager end up giving it to me for $1. Really strange happening that day. Lol. The employee really surprised me for not knowing how to cut.
 
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Muse

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I own 3 pairs of these gloves. One I keep in the truck, one I use in the garage, and the other I wear when riding my jetskis. They fit well, are cheap, and last a long time. I like them and they are regularly $4.99, less with 20% off.
Right now they are regular $5.99 and sometimes discounted to $4.99, if I'm not mistaken... at least here in northern California. I now have 10 pairs, the old one still has plenty of life in it.
 
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I haven't noticed anymore... The one word that I keep hearing that bothers me, it's the gratuitous use of the word "like" sprinkled into people's speech. I also have developed an allergy to the words: little, a bit, slightly. I think these are symptoms of the prevarication that's seeped into the modern mind. Do we hear any straight talkers anymore?
Life isn't usually always that simple maybe?
 
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Muse

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you wonder if they are doing it right?

I boutght a $500 gate, I had someone install it but I am afraid to look at the work he did because he probably cut it wrong in some area. They don’t care. If I am not to embarrass to be seen by neighbor doing my gate I would do it myself. No one cares about your stuff when you find someone to do it.
My neighbor had the wooden fence between our properties built some years ago. A portion got pretty dilapidated and I repaired it myself with cedar I bought at Home Depot. He complimented me on how professional it looks. Subsequently a couple years, a portion started to sag toward my property and one day I encountered him and he said a cemented stake or maybe 4x4 on his side could hold it upright and intimated that he'd have it done. That was 2 years ago. Another portion is in bad shape and I have a mind to fix that myself, but haven't gotten around to it yet this summer.
 
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eng2d2

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My neighbor had the wooden fence between our properties built some years ago. A portion got pretty dilapidated and I repaired it myself with cedar I bought at Home Depot. He complimented me on how professional it looks. A portion started to sag toward my property and one day I encountered him and he said a cemented stake or maybe 4x4 on his side could hold it upright and intimated that he'd have it done. That was 2 years ago. Another portion is in bad shape and I have a mind to fix that myself, but haven't gotten around to it yet this summer.
Fence is an easy project. The only thing is I don’t like to dig because we have a lot of rocks. I don’t mind paying someone to dig. I did build my gate though because I can do it in the backyard and no one can see me. The gate materials are expensive(special ordered at a fence store). I thenI hired someone to dig for a post and install the gate. The person I hired told me he had to cut some pieces to fit in the area. That’s what I am afraid to look at. The gate looks nice but the picket he cut that went in the rail is what I am curios. The holes he drilled into it too.

I am cheap so I like doing it myself and I know I have only to blame if it’s wrong.

My house is in the 800k. Neighbor just hired a contractor to do several projects for his house so it’s hard for me to go out there and fix my gate. Lol. I really want to do it so bad. Lol. I wanted to hire a day laborer to dig for 40$ and install it myself. Lol.
 

Muse

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I have big projects to do on my house. A neighbor has offered to help me find good cheap labor, he's good at that. One day a few months ago after I thought he'd forgotten all about it he shows up with a guy who has some great ideas, it seems to me. But they haven't been back. I should go over his house and ask. He's real nice, smart guy, nice young family. He's not really DIY, has almost NO tools! But he manages a big machine shop operation, it's funny. He told me one of their customers is Elon Musk!
 

eng2d2

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I have big projects to do on my house. A neighbor has offered to help me find good cheap labor, he's good at that. One day a few months ago after I thought he'd forgotten all about it he shows up with a guy who has some great ideas, it seems to me. But they haven't been back. I should go over his house and ask. He's real nice, smart guy, nice young family. He's not really DIY, has almost NO tools! But he manages a big machine shop operation, it's funny. He told me one of their customers is Elon Musk!

No shortage for idea. Labor - try craigslist. You really have to be very patient with Craigslist lots of scam but can find quality work too.
 

Muse

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No shortage for idea. Labor - try craigslist. You really have to be very patient with Craigslist lots of scam but can find quality work too.
This neighbor seems really savvy. He got a ton of stuff done on his house, cheap and well done. He gave me a tour on that day. He laid some stuff on me to check out a video, couple of books. I should bring them back. He'll help me, I know. Well, I'm always nervous to have other people work on my house. I've had real good luck, but it was always stuff I needed pretty badly. Leaky roof, sewer pipe gone haywire, that kind of thing. Stuff I need done now needs doing, should really get on it, but it won't be the end of the world if it doesn't get done pronto.
 
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No no no... White would only show dirt. These are pretty tough, I must say. The pair I've had a few years look great, and seem like they'll last just years more. The only thing that's showing their age particularly is the velcro wrist closure system. Like velcro does, it isn't as tacky as originally. Still works, though, but have to press harder. They're comfortable. And the X-Large fits me well. They even come in XX-Large. Weird. Most gloves I've bought stop at X-Large, and a good percentage of the time X-Large are too tight for me. I haven't tried the XX-Large on these, but I think I'm good with X-Large.

Not sure if you completely missed my point, or was actually genius...
 

Muse

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Not sure if you completely missed my point, or was actually genius...
Hmm. ??? I'd like to think "genius!"

Well, for sure, they wouldn't be what Fred Astaire would grab for one of his Hollywood dance numbers, but they are hell of versatile and pretty damn tough, comfy too. You might say they have it all... well, like I say, you don't wear them to gala events. Guess I'm more a rough and tumble guy...
 

Lanyap

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Visited a HF in the Bay area 2012 and signed in for notification of sales via e-mail.. Not familiar with the brands they sell. Visited a few months ago near my place (Tinley Park, IL) to buy some rechargeable AAA and AA batteries.



Most of the stuff they sell is their brand. Some of it is decent. I remember when they first opened up and I got some tools to work on my car and motorcycle. They were made really cheap. The first time I used their hand wrenches they bent and I was a scrawny teen. They seem to be much better quality these days but not as good as popular name brands. They are OK for the price and usually do a good job.
 

Muse

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Most of the stuff they sell is their brand. Some of it is decent. I remember when they first opened up and I got some tools to work on my car and motorcycle. They were made really cheap. The first time I used their hand wrenches they bent and I was a scrawny teen. They seem to be much better quality these days but not as good as popular name brands. They are OK for the price and usually do a good job.
I have several of their Vice Grip type locking pliers and think they are at least as good if not better, at a huge discount.
 

slag

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Right now they are regular $5.99 and sometimes discounted to $4.99, if I'm not mistaken... at least here in northern California. I now have 10 pairs, the old one still has plenty of life in it.

What you said is correct. I mean, they are regularly on sale for $4.99, not regularly 4.99. Thanks for the fix.
 

Muse

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What you said is correct. I mean, they are regularly on sale for $4.99, not regularly 4.99. Thanks for the fix.
You're welcome.

I have a number of other types of gloves from HF. Among those is a favorite, which I wear in extra cold weather on my bicycle:

Western Safety
Cold Weather
Water Proof
Extra Large
Item #96612

Uh, but a search for the item there at their website brings up an interminal spinning cursor. Guess they cancelled the item.
 
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