They claim the caps and VRMS are different... So this is no good for decent clocks?
It's silicon at stock voltage, 100%.
tviceman has one does 1202/7000 1.137v which is a lot better than what my card can do at that voltage.
jaydip also has one and say he runs his at 1310 but I don't know at what voltage, hopefully not stock cause I'd have to end myself if that was the case.
Its the best value 780 GTX and i might SLI them so epic clocks might not be that important.
I just dont like the idea of paying a premium for a card that can clock no better than a cheaper one.
This is almost as bad as 9590 vs 4770K comparisons. Looks like an Nvidia pseudo-monopoly is inevitable. If this is the best AMD can do and they don't have a completely new architecture on the way, they'll be lucky to compete with the GK104 replacement next-gen. It's just... over...
I see Nvidia delaying Maxwell until 2015 due to this. I don't think that 20nm will be enough to let GCN beat GK110 by more than 5-10% after overclocking.
haha, what?
We have a custom cooled 780 Ti review in the works. It will be overclocked vs. the ASUS custom cooled 290X.
Was thinking the same. Maybe it was sarcasm ? Nvidia has had the top halo part with a 10-20% edge for a long time now across different generations. Apart from that AMD has them matched or bested with performance and price at every bracket.
Nvidia GPU performance vs AMD GPU performance is nothing like Intel CPU performance vs AMD CPU performance. Intel is off in their own world with their industry-leading fabs. AMD and nvidia are both using TSMC and both are capable of putting out very fast GPUs, the performance difference is minimal.
AMD created the hottest, most power hungry consumer GPU in history and still got slaughtered.
Brent Justice posted an update with the following concerning reference vs custom cooled 780ti:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1801633&page=3
An aftermarket 780ti vs aftermarket 290X test is in the works.
Concerning 290X overclocks:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1040546663&highlight=#post1040546663
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1040546717&highlight=#post1040546717
What i'd be interested in, is including a max OC aftermarket GTX 780 in this test as well. Such as a lightning GTX 780 or HOF. Not sure if he's doing that though.
The thing is that GK110 is a high-end chip that had its release held back due to lack of competition. AMD created the hottest, most power hungry consumer GPU in history and still got slaughtered. An overclocked 780 non-Ti is even even enough to leave an overclocked 290X choking on dust. The gap is widening. We all know that Hawaii was intended for 20nm, so we have to wonder how much AMD will be able to improve this year. It seems likely that AMD's 20nm flagship will only match or barely exceed the 780 Ti, while the GK104 replacement slaughters it by 15-20% and the GK110 replacement, if they even bother releasing it to consumers, ends up around 50% faster.
So, the crap cooler running at 90C is most likely causing throttling of some kind for them to see no scaling when others do.
What these reviews show, 780ti is faster OC. But the ASUS R290 is lame.
The thing is that GK110 is a high-end chip that had its release held back due to lack of competition. AMD created the hottest, most power hungry consumer GPU in history and still got slaughtered. An overclocked 780 non-Ti is even even enough to leave an overclocked 290X choking on dust. The gap is widening. We all know that Hawaii was intended for 20nm, so we have to wonder how much AMD will be able to improve this year. It seems likely that AMD's 20nm flagship will only match or barely exceed the 780 Ti, while the GK104 replacement slaughters it by 15-20% and the GK110 replacement, if they even bother releasing it to consumers, ends up around 50% faster.
1134mhz. Silicon lottery. Other websites got higher. Yeah I know. Silicon lottery though, over-voltage should eliminate silicon lottery to an extent. It seems to be pretty common with the Hawaii, even with added voltage, that's my point. Hawaii just doesn't seem to overclock consistently with over-voltage or all too well for that matter.
So what would you suggest? What aftermarket brands do you really like down there? Narrow this down for us. Powercolor? Is that it? Sapphire Tri-X?
If you read the AT review, the Sapphire Tri X once OC scaled very well in Crysis 3.
[H] got next to no scaling at all for C3 and FC3. TWO out of 4 games. On a card thats running 90C and pulling massive W for a tiny OC. That just creams shiat card to me, but you can take whatever you want from that review. Me, I avoid that model.
Or here: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_r9_290x_directcuii_oc_review,28.html
Why are they seeing decent scaling? Well for starters, their one isn't running at 90C and drawing 500W. And thats 50% fan under OC conditions. Which says whatever the sample [H] has is a dud. Would not shock me seeing as Gigabyte has the same crap design that computerbase.de found to be throttling at stock clocks. Does not warrant confidence when 2 heatpipes aren't working out of the box.
This is almost as bad as 9590 vs 4770K comparisons. Looks like an Nvidia pseudo-monopoly is inevitable. If this is the best AMD can do and they don't have a completely new architecture on the way, they'll be lucky to compete with the GK104 replacement next-gen. It's just... over...
I see Nvidia delaying Maxwell until 2015 due to this. I don't think that 20nm will be enough to let GCN beat GK110 by more than 5-10% after overclocking.
More interesting discussion a [H] now since every excuse has been made from cooling to low quality board design to price.
A lot of false hopes you guys have here. There were false statements that the DC II 290X had poor VRM temps and throttled. These are incorrect statements made about the hardOCP test. That did not happen. Neither throttled or had bad VRM temps. But okay. Not sure why excuses are being made. The aftermarket 290X just lost. Badly.
That will not happen with the Tri-X? Who knows. But the end result would be the same. It would lose to the 780ti overclocked, I have a sneaking suspicion that people are aware of this. Fact of the matter is Hawaii, despite having a ton of over-voltage at 1.35V, still lost, never throttled, and never had poor VRM temps. So the answer so far i'm seeing is excuses and "wait for the next big thing".
I dunno though. Waiting and having false hopes on the next big thing seems to be common . We just need to wait on the next big card. As if we haven't heard that a million times. /yawn