[HardOCP] Asus DC II 290X max overclock versus GTX 780ti max overclocking review:

[BallaTheFeared]

To think you're the one blaming others for using straw man arguments.

No strawman here, R290 Tri-X isn't worth $580 more than my HD4600 based on price/performance.

 

[Silverforce11]

Likewise, no way is the R290 Tri-X is worth £342 more than my HD4600.

Nah, no way the HD4600 is worth whatever it is more than whatever that thing is inside my smartphone..

Really?

Its not realistic to compare closely performing enthusiast segment cards in pricing? We're not comparing top end cards versus low range or even mid-range.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Why can't I? HD4600 plays the exact same games, unlike your smartphone.

Without valuing the performance itself the price/performance argument is nothing but a strawman in of itself.

 

[wand3r3r]

No strawman here, R290 Tri-X isn't worth $580 more than my HD4600 based on price/performance.

Gutter where art though? :hmm:

To get back on topic, was anyone surprised at the results?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Gutter where art though? :hmm:

To get back on topic, was anyone surprised at the results?

I would hope not, especially after my months of crusading to show 780 OC > R290/x.

 

[Silverforce11]

Only you could turn an enthusiast GPU comparison into discussion about your iGPU.. way to go, lets devolve this thread further please.

 

[wand3r3r]

I would hope not, especially after my months of crusading to show 780 OC > R290/x.

Maybe you should re-read the article as you seem to have misunderstood the results.

 

[omeds]

It's fair to say a video cards value is based on more than performance alone.

At $AUD prices I'd still pick a 780 over the 290/x, which works out to $540 vs $460/$610(x)

A vanilla 780 oc has no trouble keeping pace with 290x oc, until you hit 4k.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Maybe you should re-read the article as you seem to have misunderstood the results.

I guess I got sidetracked by all the 290 discussion in a thread not about the 290.

I hope you do better to catch these transgressions sooner.

Oh wait, that was you talking about the 290 and mining first :hmm:

 

[Silverforce11]

So much variation with the ASUS models, I just had a look at multiple reviews, they all had greatly different temps, fan speeds etc.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_r9_290x_directcuii_oc_review,28.html
50% fan here. [H] needed 75% to keep it at 90C!

Guess not having those 2 heatpipes contacting the die matters afterall. This was a good review and confirms what other sites find, avoid Asus and Gigabyte R290 since they decided to cheap out and put a non optimal cooler designed for a different GPU on it.

 

[FalseChristian]

I'd give up my 2 2GB eVGA GTX 760 at 1300/6800 SLI for 1 Radeon R9 290X. The 290X and the 780 Ti are basically even and the 290X costs less. It's clear who the REAL winner is here.

 

[ICDP]

No way a GTX780Ti is worth ~£200 more than a R9 290 Tri-X

Likewise, no way is the R290 Tri-X is worth £342 more than my HD4600.

Nice way to show your unbridled Nvidia bias. you will even quote mine to get a dig at AMD. What about the rest of that sentence, the part after the comma?

Here let me remind you.
"No way a GTX780Ti is worth ~£200 more than a R9 290 Tri-X, likewise the ~£100 more expensive R9 290X Tri-X is a joke."

Have the decency to quote the entire paragraph rather than use snippets with the sole aim of trolling.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Point was, since you so clearly missed it... 780 Ti provides performance 290 can't ever hope to give.

So saying the Ti isn't worth it over the 290 is in the same realm of unbridled Nvidia bias as saying the 290 isn't worth it over the HD4600.

HD4600 can't provide the performance that the 290 can, neither can the 290 when it comes to OC Ti performance. Price/performance is a hollow metric when you try to eliminate the performance itself from the equation.

 

[Silverforce11]

Point was, since you so clearly missed it... 780 Ti provides performance 290 can't ever hope to give.

So saying the Ti isn't worth it over the 290 is in the same realm of unbridled Nvidia bias as saying the 290 isn't worth it over the HD4600.

HD4600 can't provide the performance that the 290 can, neither can the 290 when it comes to OC Ti performance. Price/performance is a hollow metric when you try to eliminate the performance itself from the equation.

This argument only matters to individuals who seek the fastest performance irrespective of price.

Somehow, I feel most people actually like $.

 

[Termie]

I haven't read the whole thread here, so I don't know if this was mentioned, but in my opinion, AMD made a mistake with the 512-bit bus. When it was first rumored, I thought it would never come to pass. Memory bandwidth was never an issue for HD7900, but power use was. And then AMD throws a 512-bit bus on. HD2900, anyone?

As HardOCP suggested, 22nm was required to make this design really work.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So why buy the 290 then?

Why not get something slower, cheaper, and with better price/perf?

 

[ICDP]

Point was, since you so clearly missed it... 780 Ti provides performance 290 can't ever hope to give.

So saying the Ti isn't worth it over the 290 is in the same realm of unbridled Nvidia bias as saying the 290 isn't worth it over the HD4600.

HD4600 can't provide the performance that the 290 can, neither can the 290 when it comes to OC Ti performance. Price/performance is a hollow metric when you try to eliminate the performance itself from the equation.

The R9 290 is less than 15% slower than a GTX780Ti at stock. The R9 290X is a massive magnitude faster than HD4600, so I have no idea where your BS comparison comes from.
"780 Ti provides performance 290 can't ever hope to give."

You like to exaggerate a lot don't you?

P.S. I was specifically referring to R9 290 Tri-X in my price comparison. Go read it again. Funny how my comparison was R9 290 Tri X compared to 780Ti (not max OC), vs R9 290X Tri-X pricing. Yet you dropped the R9 290X Tri-X pricing is a joke joke comment completely, the 780Ti became a 780Ti at max OC and the R9 290 Tri-X became R9 290 reference. Have an agenda much?

 

[Z15CAM]

If you have a water loop the VisionTek CryoVenom R9 290 at $550 US$ looks like a steal: http://www.visiontekproducts.com/in...om-liquidcooled-series-r9-290-detail?Itemid=0

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The R9 290 is less than 15% slower than a GTX780Ti. The R9 290X is a massive magnitude faster than HD4600, so I have no idea where your BS comparison comes from.
"780 Ti provides performance 290 can't ever hope to give."

You like to exaggerate a lot don't you?

This is an oc thread, your 15% figure has no place.

Nope, unobtainable performance is unobtainable.

 

[ICDP]

This is an oc thread, your 15% figure has no place.

Nope, unobtainable performance is unobtainable.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Sapphire-Radeon-R9-290X-Tri-X-4GB-Graphics-Card-Review

R9 290 Tri-X with 1225 core clock. Even at stock it trades blows with the GTX780 Ti in this review. Bear in mind the R9 290 Tri-X is only ~5% slower clock for clock than its far more expensive big brother. Which of course makes it ~5% slower than 780Ti stock according to this review.

So much for unobtainable... right? Unless ~5%-15% (depending upon silicone lottery) is suddenly counted as a massive delta?

From the PCPER conclusion
"Adding other GPUs into the mix, including NVIDIA's options and the ASUS DirectCU II model, the story is once again interesting. The GeForce GTX 780 Ti is once again fighting for its dominance. When it was released, the R9 290X had clock variance and noise concerns that kept the $699 NVIDIA juggernaut in the driver's seat. With the release of the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X (and others) coming down the pipe that seat might have a new resident. Like the ASUS option, the Sapphire card performed better than the GTX 780 Ti in Bioshock Infinite and Crysis 3 while the GTX 780 Ti's only definitive victory came in Battlefield 3. In the three other games tested, the cards were so close that I'll call it a performance tie."

Or maybe PCPER are no longer the goto site for Nvidia fans?

 

[wand3r3r]

This is an oc thread, your 15% figure has no place.

Nope, unobtainable performance is unobtainable.

It doesn't have a place in an OC thread? Interesting you pick and choose what belongs here.

We have learned a lot with our time spent overclocking and gaming on the ASUS R9 290X DirectCU II OC and the GeForce GTX 780 Ti. Our overclocks may seem lower than other sites, but that is because we will not accept any room for instability or artifacts after prolonged sessions of gaming. We want to achieve an overclock that a gamer would set, and forget. We don't just run benchmarks, or timedemos to stress test, we actually play the game, whole levels, whole chapters, even half the game itself at times, to find out what is stable. Multiple hour long sessions of Battlefield 4 Multiplayer are common practice for testing overclocking.

This stresses a good point. They find truly stable clocks. Sure you might be able to barely scrape through a lot higher OC in a benchmark, but 100% stable is entirely different story which is why a lot of "benchmark" runs are just that, a single data point and not indicative of overall OC ability.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So much for unobtainable... right?

Or maybe PCPER are no longer the goto site for Nvidia fans?

1225 vs sub 1GHz, lolz.

You do know they ship 780 Ti's with over 1.2GHz stock boost right?

PCPER has always had strong AMD support via adverts, the whole Nv bias thing was spawned from their frame time coverage of the never settled amd drivers.

Completely unobtainable.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It doesn't have a place in an OC thread? Interesting you pick and choose what belongs here.

No that was you, I don't play pretend mod.

 

[ICDP]

1225 vs sub 1GHz, lolz.

You do know they ship 780 Ti's with over 1.2GHz stock boost right?

PCPER has always had strong AMD support via adverts, the whole Nv bias thing was spawned from their frame time coverage of the never settled amd drivers.

Completely unobtainable.

Did you really miss this very clear point? This was stock vs stock R9 290X Tri-X vs GTX780Ti, not an OC Tri-X at 1225 core clock.

"the Sapphire card performed better than the GTX 780 Ti in Bioshock Infinite and Crysis 3 while the GTX 780 Ti's only definitive victory came in Battlefield 3. In the three other games tested, the cards were so close that I'll call it a performance tie."


Keep moving those goal posts and missing the obvious.

 

[Atreidin]

Hmm not really.680 clocked and scaled pretty bad compared to 780 but 780 has higher dnsity.

I don't think that comparison can be taken at face value.

Every source I can find gives the number of transistors for 780 and 780ti as 7.1 billion, with the same area. (Not totally sure, just doing a quick google search, correct me if I'm wrong.)

However some of the transistors for the 780 are disabled. I don't know where to find the "actual" number of transistors for a 780, that is, how many are actually in use. That unused area would be useful for heat dissipation.