HardOCP editors declare "shimmer" issue meaningless

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: VIAN
You telling me you don't see this.

NV default VS NV High

No Vian you must be imagining this according to Kyle and Brent!

where are you guys looking exactly?

Look at the tiles.

OMG, thats ridiculous. once i knew where to look, it is pretty obvious. i was lookin at the gun

ok, i don't see anything. other than the fact that in one picture, the character is further up the alley than in the other, i see no difference.

edit: that yellow thing is the shimmering? i thought it was crosshairs.

 

[Todd33]

It was pretty bad in WoW until I forced high quality. Despite what Rollo and some geeks say, it is a real problem.

 

[BFG10K]

No its called, when I dont see the issue myself in my 100FPS games do I listen to a dingleberry or do I listen to Kyle Bennett and Brent Justice at HardOCP?

To those people to whom the shimmering is a problem it doesn't matter who you listen to.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

I see it mostly in shadows, or if I stare at the carpet in cs_office. Other than that, can't say I see it in my other games: FEAR, COD2, B&W2, Q4...

ok, i don't see anything. other than the fact that in one picture, the character is further up the alley than in the other, i see no difference.

edit: that yellow thing is the shimmering? i thought it was crosshairs.

No, look at the tiles again, only further up, above the crosshair. You see the bend? How the texture itself has this U-shaped bend in it? As you move around, that bend is constantly moving, shifting and churning, or shimmering. Could be quite annoying to some.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I agree.

To be honest, if it wasnt for BF2, it wouldnt be an issue to me as much. I dont notice it as badly in other games, and its not as bad in other games I play. But the fact is, its very noticable to me in that game. More so on some maps. The grass, the ground, even windows shimmer, and its annoying. Its not going to make me stop playing BF2, but I sure wish NV would at least try to fix it. Give the users the option for zero optimizations. I hope ATi and NV both do this.

That's weird...I don't notice it at all in BF2. Do I need to turn textures to high enough detail to see it?

I dont know, mine are at the highest settings. My res is 1920x1200, which could have something to do with it. Bigger picture could mean flaws are easier to see.

Originally posted by: Acanthus
My only question would be who buys a $400-$600 graphics card and uses anything other than high quality?

Have you even played some new games? F.E.A.R. puts a hammer on ANY system. It bring my PC to a crawl with any sort of high settings.

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
My question is who other than insanely rich/spoiled people would buy a $400-$600 graphics card?

Still, I turn on high settings with a 6600GT and I never notice any problems.

Norm

I see your ignorance spilth over. Thats like saying whoever buys a pair of Nikes are spoiled and rich, because a pair of Kangaroos do the same thing, cover your feet.

Your sig even shows your ignorance. Dont buy AMDs? Please, they are only the best gaming CPU out right now, period.

Originally posted by: southpawuni

There is a fix.

- you can't accept this.

No there isnt. The newer drives greatly reuduce it in High Quality mode. However, I can still easily see it. They have done nothing for the Quality settings in the drivers. It still shimmers as badly as ever. I guess NV thinks shimmering is quality? I dont agree.

 

[gsellis]

Just for the record, it is not a Moire effect. A Moire effect is also called the Venetian Blind effect. It happens with video and TV. Because the horizontal scan lines are about as wide as the horizontal lines in the blinds, especially with interlaced video, it causes an interference pattern. Forgot who linked in on the first page, but that is the rest of the example. Good video editors, especially with timewarps (fast motion, slow motion) will actually use AA to fix it. But it is not perfect.

But, it does almost look like it might be someone's attempt to fix what they thought would be a Moire effect with less then stellar results.

 

[pontifex]

ok now i see it.
wow, took me forever to notice it.

 

[SolMiester]

I have never experienced this 'shimmering' issue, however I believe there are people who have issues with FPS period. Could this shimmering be only visable to users who have issues with lighting/shader or special effects found in some games, as I understand it, it is not just the Nvidia card that show this issue?

 

[Corporate Thug]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1525/noshimmer7ae.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2903/shimmer0ei.jpg

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Todd33
It was pretty bad in WoW until I forced high quality. Despite what Rollo and some geeks say, it is a real problem.

From what I have read, it's a problem in that game with any card?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Todd33
It was pretty bad in WoW until I forced high quality. Despite what Rollo and some geeks say, it is a real problem.

From what I have read, it's a problem in that game with any card?

I didn't notice any shimmering back when I was playing WOW on my X800XL. Not sure if anything's changed in newer drivers...

 

[SketchMaster]

Even ATi has it. I took some shots on my X800 GTO2 (Modded)

Screen 1

Screen 2

It's Kinda hard to see, but if you look close you can see it in the shadows (Right above the crosshairs). Yes, it's not as bad as Nvidia's cards. But in motion you can really see it clearly. it's just something that we will have to live with untill they find a way to fix it.

I'm a bit of a ATi fan boy but even I am sick of people giving Nvida a hard time.

 

[BFG10K]

We know what causes it, and what fixes it.

Like I said in the other thread, high quality disables all of the optimizations but many people still claim the shimmer is there.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: Rollo
It's interesting that you think we should believe you instead of respected web reviewers Morph.

No one is saying you can't find it if you go looking. They're saying it's not noticeable unless you go looking.

Well, some people can see it--even other "respected web journalists!"

I had no idea Kyle's and Brent's opinions were more valid than anyone else's, though. Brent's opinion, in particular, is a bit strange, as you'll notice shimmering most "when you are actually playing the game." No one's going to see it when running benchmark scripts.

I don't understand the point of this thread, though. Some people notice shimmer. It's obviously not an issue for those who don't, but just saying that some people don't notice shimmer or AA or AF isn't a reason to ignore it for everyone.

And shimmer isn't necessarily solely a MIP-map boundary issue. IIRC, I've been hearing that CSS "shimmers" for months b/c of its pixel shading, which isn't filtered--for instance, the tiled floor in dust's hallway. But the topic at hand is texture shimmer, so I'll leave it at that.