HardOCP editors declare "shimmer" issue meaningless

[5150Joker]

I guess he must have totally ignored the vids I put up.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Some people seem to enjoy the idea of voluntarily giving up their ability to think for themselves.

No its called, when I dont see the issue myself in my 100FPS games do I listen to a dingleberry or do I listen to Kyle Bennett and Brent Justice at HardOCP? :disgust:

So just because it's not an issue for you, that means it's therefore not an issue for anyone (even though multiple people have posted otherwise)?

I guess its me and Brent Justice versus you and a few people who are "searching for the truth" or whatever the heck you are doing here.

We know what causes it, and what fixes it. If you see it (which I dont honestly) then do what you need to do to fix it?

Like I said we know how to fix it, I think Gstanfor has said it a few times what you need to do..

so why not either do the necessary changes or go buy an ATI card?

Its just not making sense to me what your purpose is here other than trolling on about this "issue" (that has been declared a non-issue by credible sources)
I'm being serious, why not either do the changes or go buy ATI?

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Some people seem to enjoy the idea of voluntarily giving up their ability to think for themselves.

No its called, when I dont see the issue myself in my 100FPS games do I listen to a dingleberry or do I listen to Kyle Bennett and Brent Justice at HardOCP? :disgust:

So just because it's not an issue for you, that means it's therefore not an issue for anyone (even though multiple people have posted otherwise)?

I guess its me and Brent Justice versus you and a few people who are "searching for the truth" or whatever the heck you are doing here.

We know what causes it, and what fixes it. If you see it (which I dont honestly) then do what you need to do to fix it?

Like I said we know how to fix it, I think Gstanfor has said it a few times what you need to do..

so why not either do the necessary changes or go buy an ATI card?

Its just not making sense to me what your purpose is here other than trolling on about this "issue" (that has been declared a non-issue by credible sources)
I'm being serious, why not either do the changes or go buy ATI?

about the only worthwhile response to the crap you are dribbling is 'end yourself'.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Some people seem to enjoy the idea of voluntarily giving up their ability to think for themselves.

No its called, when I dont see the issue myself in my 100FPS games do I listen to a dingleberry or do I listen to Kyle Bennett and Brent Justice at HardOCP? :disgust:

So just because it's not an issue for you, that means it's therefore not an issue for anyone (even though multiple people have posted otherwise)?

I guess its me and Brent Justice versus you and a few people who are "searching for the truth" or whatever the heck you are doing here.

We know what causes it, and what fixes it. If you see it (which I dont honestly) then do what you need to do to fix it?

Like I said we know how to fix it, I think Gstanfor has said it a few times what you need to do..

so why not either do the necessary changes or go buy an ATI card?

Its just not making sense to me what your purpose is here other than trolling on about this "issue" (that has been declared a non-issue by credible sources)
I'm being serious, why not either do the changes or go buy ATI?

about the only worthwhile response to the crap you are dribbling is 'end yourself'.

No you mean its the only response you can think of to avoid answering a good and valid question-

so why not either do the necessary changes or go buy an ATI card?

Its just not making sense to me what your purpose is here other than trolling on about this "issue" (that has been declared a non-issue by credible sources)
I'm being serious, why not either do the changes or go buy ATI?

I'll repeat the question since you'd rather attack me.

 

[jiffylube1024]

southpawuni - did you even watch the videos? It is right there to see! The "Quality" version makes it painfully obvious and acts as a good primer to notice it in "High Quality" mode, where the shimmering is greatly reduced but still quite visible, like something is swarming just beneath the surface of the floor.

You've got to stop taking this so personally; it doesn't mean the geforce 6 and 7 series are "failures" (as you mentioned in an earlier post), and it doesn't mean anybody is trying to:

propagate [the lie] and attempt to tear down Nvidia?

as you insinuated in an earlier post. Sheesh, quite a few people are still running 7800's, so obviously the cards are still the best choice for many! But having to make manual adjustments and hand-tinker settings for every game is hardly a satisfactory fix for the problem, IMO.

 

[dug777]

we've answered your question a million times over in this thread, you've ignored us and kept on trolling...not much point in attempting intelligent discourse with a rabid fanboy who JUST DOESN'T listen to a word anyone else says if it doesn't suit his agenda.

-many people notice and find it very annoying (in fact someone put up videos proving it exists in this very thread, which you have conveniently ignored)
-we just want the problem fixed for our nvidia cards, doesn't seem much of an ask does it?
-the somewhat biased words of a somewhat biased review site don't make something so
-you can't accept this

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: dug777
we've answered your question a million times over in this thread, you've ignored us and kept on trolling...not much point in attempting intelligent discourse with a rabid fanboy who JUST DOESN'T listen to a word anyone else says if it doesn't suit his agenda.

-many people notice and find it very annoying (in fact someone put up videos proving it exists in this very thread, which you have conveniently ignored)
-we just want the problem fixed for our nvidia cards, doesn't seem much of an ask does it?
-the somewhat biased words of a somewhat biased review site don't make something so
-you can't accept this

There is a fix.

- you can't accept this.

Good day.

(ps. if you want it fixed in the drivers from the get-go, I suggest Nvidia's forum. Wouldnt that make more sense? I've gone over there and raised complete hell before over issues.)

 

[jiffylube1024]

For once I see your point. The Nvidia forums would be a better place to raise this issue if getting it fixed is your agenda (which it is).

However, you used a completely different argument before - you downplayed the issue entirely, called it a non-issue because "Brent and Kyle have more knoweldge and authority than anyone here" and because you don't see it yourself.

You called me a troll because I don't list any Nvidia cards in my signature? As if that's proof of anything other than that I don't have any Nvidia cards in any of those rigs at this point in time.

Way to endear yourself to the community - by calling them all idiots!

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
For once I see your point.

he may have a point about going to nv forums to get the fix, but he's conveniently abandoned his support for hardocp and the claims of shimmering being a non issue, perhaps he watched the videos?

 

[VIAN]

If you ask me, you people are making a big deal out of a relatively small problem. They can make better, and if you want them to talk to the companies. Still, it don't see how shimmering makes it any less of a game, if you want a good graphics go make a picture and stare at it...

Don't be a dumbass, if you're not going to contribute, get out of the thread.

Doesn't the R520 have non-shimmering AF?

Only if they made it better than the 420. The 520 has better AF in that it's not angle dependent. But it doesn't mean it won't shimmer.

I guess since Brent and Kyle pretty much have more knowledge and authority than anyone here.. this kinda settles the issue.

Glad this one can finally be put behind us!
Next topic.

LOL

well i can tell that i never noticed the problem with my 9800 pro, and it jumped out at me with my 6600GT straight off in farcry...

That's cause the 9800 Pro had excellent filtering. But when the X800 came out they started using something called Adaptive Filtering or Trylinear that was supposed to cut corners where a loss in quality wouldn't be noticed. Trouble is, that it is noticeable and it's BS that we can't turn it off. It might have carried on into the X1800 series and who knows, because all these supposedly credited reviewers don't talk about image quality anymore like it's something we need not worry about. For all I know, cause I've never tested a X1800, it could be as bad as Quality with Nvidia cards. That would be horrible.

No its called, when I dont see the issue myself in my 100FPS games do I listen to a dingleberry or do I listen to Kyle Bennett and Brent Justice at HardOCP?

Oh so you weren't joking. Ok then, it means that you try not to make stupid claims and just say, "I never noticed it," and be on your way. Simple as cheese. And in such an instance, the community, which might consist of many "dingleberries" would have a more truthfull idea than an organization that makes money by saying things like this. If you believe everything the government tells you, then you're F-ed.

I guess he must have totally ignored the vids I put up.

Maybe he's colorblind or something.

Anyway, I own a 7800GT Xtreme, I spent my 400 bucks getting this card. I wan't my 400 bucks worth of IQ. kNo what I is sayin, son?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
For once I see your point.

he may have a point about going to nv forums to get the fix, but he's conveniently abandoned his support for hardocp and the claims of shimmering being a non issue, perhaps he watched the videos?

LOL I was just working on my edit saying the exact same thing!

 

[Avalon]

I still notice it very easily on my 6200 with HQ and the latest Nvidia drivers, but most of the time it doesn't really bother me. Quality mode is horrendous, though.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
For once I see your point.

Thats cuz I'm not here to troll.. its just that I tend to go against the grain.. which is not encouraged.

I still support all my argument, but I decided I'd better get down to the point, the meat and potatos to what I think about this whole charade.

That there is a Fix.
And that I will join you guys on the Nvidia forums if you would like to take it to Nvidia.
?

I would rather have this issue (even tho I cant see it on my system) fixed in the drivers by default as well, instead of requiring tweaks.

But ya, someone create a thread over there and lets raise some hell?
Ronin will prob ban us but I think this is a valid issue (apparantly?) so why give up?

Hopefully we'll get some commentary from Nvidia engineers.

I'm down.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
For once I see your point.

he may have a point about going to nv forums to get the fix, but he's conveniently abandoned his support for hardocp and the claims of shimmering being a non issue, perhaps he watched the videos?

No i have not seen them. I want to though.
Are they in this thread? Can you point me to them?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
For once I see your point.

Thats cuz I'm not here to troll.. its just that I tend to go against the grain.. which is not encouraged.

Going against the grain is fine (BFG does it all the time and I agree with him 90% of the time. Then again BFG is a pretty smart guy!). Making stuff up or claiming good arguments to be irrelevant is not.

I still support all my argument, but I decided I'd better get down to the point, the meat and potatos to what I think about this whole charade.

That there is a Fix.

That was you main point - we acknowledge that. But you held onto it like a trump card, after playing out "I don't see it" and "Kyle & the HardOCP wanker crew say it's a non-issue" . Next time, you'd do a lot better by stating your main point first, and not making a bunch of crap up.

After seeing your last post I know you meant well, but I can see that you're very defensive about this stuff (sort of like Rollo, although he's defensive in a different way - he's defensive by picking on the competition to make himself feel better and his purchase more justified). Like I said before, it would do you a lot of good to realize that that 7800 card that we all like so much is nothing more than a piece of metal, silicon and plastic (and various other substances) that does a job for you, and not being so knee-jerky defensive about it all the time .

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Like I said before, it would do you a lot of good to realize that that 7800 card that we all like so much is nothing more than a piece of metal, silicon and plastic (and various other substances) that does a job for you, and not being so knee-jerky defensive about it all the time .

Well, same applies that there is a fix for this issue (easily enough to apply as well). So no need to crusade with a bunch of "shimmer" threads either.
Deal.

 

[TerracideDK]

When I look at the roof of my house from certains angles, I see moire/"shimmer"...

Who do I blame...NVIDIA or ATI?
Or have people just to muh time in games (cheating/easy-mode) to look for anomolies that also our in the real world?
And why bitch so much, when BOTH companies card have it?
Or could it be not a hardware problem, but a problem in the hmn pereption of sight?
Snacks about Perception

Terra - Anyone?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Actually, Terra - I think you see moire/shimmer because you've had a bit too much to drink .

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
The shimmering is pretty obvious in World of Warcraft, especially when you're walking along stone paths.

Unfortunately I became an expert on shimmering at WoW and now I see it everywhere: paths, trees, building, grass, etc

The only driver that gives me a good experience is the 78.03 with HQ and Clamp. There is shimmering, but I can live with that (not happy tough).

I tried yesterday again the Nforceware 81.85 and is very bad. Not like the 78.03.

I also tried the ATI X1800XL and a X800 GTO (Connected 3d), they also shimmer on WoW, not as badly as the GTX with 81.85 drivers but similar to the 78.03 drivers.

 

[tuteja1986]

whats next rollo ... Image Quality don't matter no more ? its all about Frame rate ? or If you do not buy a nvidia card your just not cool ?

I will make you a deal... IF you become mod at this forum then i will leave anandtech forum and never read or reply in anandtech forum

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
whats next rollo ... Image Quality don't matter no more ? its all about Frame rate ? or If you do not buy a nvidia card your just not cool ?

I will make you a deal... IF you become mod at this forum then i will leave anandtech forum and never read or reply in anandtech forum

*boggle*

double *boggle* for that silly anti-GWB signature.. Australian. :|

 

[Griswold]

I did notice it without looking for it. Somehow I envy those one-eyed, short-sighted and blindfolded people who claim there is no issue. :|

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: Griswold
I did notice it without looking for it. Somehow I envy those one-eyed, short-sighted and blindfolded people who claim there is no issue. :|

:laugh:

Me 2

 

[sandorski]

Lots of Hardware and Software often have a group of Users with some kind of issue. Often those with it complain, those without it are non-sympathetic or even rude. I've been on both sides at various times and even so I react like anyone else. BF2 is a great example of this phenomena.

Next time someone releases a new Driver, check out the Fixes. They often address very specific issues with very specific circumstances that some undoubtedly are in and others are not. Otherwise they probably would never have discovered the issue to start with.

If you don't have a certain issue, great. If you do, suckage dude!

 

[TerracideDK]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Actually, Terra - I think you see moire/shimmer because you've had a bit too much to drink .

I see it sober too *L*

Terra - Our eyes are not build for a PC monitor...