[Hardocp]GeForce GTX 1080: Most Bizarre Secret Paper Launch Ever

[seitur]

Did after market custom cooled GTX 970 sold at the MSRP $329 or higher ?? I really dont remember.

Remember that i.e. Strix was going for ~350$ for first 3-4 months.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

In fact I expect AMDs Vega to easily bury the 1080.

Isn't that supposed to be a huge chip with HBM2? Who would disagree with that prediction?

 

[96Firebird]

Isn't that supposed to be a huge chip with HBM2? Who would disagree with that prediction?

In 2017. When I'm sure Nvidia will release a big Pascal chip as a gaming card.

I'm sure Volta will easily bury Vega.

 

[Grooveriding]

Because, well, it wasnt a reference design....

Why did you think it wasn't reference ? Because it says 'EVGA PrecisionX' ? That is what the program does, put its name above the readouts, unless you disable it.

I think the overclocking impressions the reveal presentation gave were likely false hype. The card doesn't overclock very well going on reviewer's results; 6-10% overclock headroom. What will be possible with a better cooler will be to maintain those 2050mhz overclocks reviewers got without the throttling down from that clock they saw on the crappy reference cooler. Aftermarket cards may also squeeze a bit more out, but I don't see there ever being an aftermarket card that releases with a standard boost clock over 2ghz.

This is just like the 680 launch and how near its limits that card was released at.

 

[BlitzWulf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-3fi1ovAP0

Gamers Nexus mounted a 980 ti hybrid kit to a 1080

FE max OC 2020 MHz

1080 "hybrid" max OC 2164 MHz in games
able to hit 2200 MHz in furmark by reducing mem voltage but crashed in games . seems card is held back by it's single 8 pin

 

[96Firebird]

Aftermarket cards may also squeeze a bit more out, but I don't see there ever being an aftermarket card that releases with a standard boost clock over 2ghz.

Since you're using standard boost clock as your basis, 2GHz would be 15% over stock boost clock. The highest boost clock EVGA 980 Ti is 1304MHz (K|NGP|N Edition), which is ~21% over standard boost clock of 1076MHz. Classified 980 Ti's are 1291MHz boost clock (20% over standard).

I think we'll see 2GHz models.

 

[Genx87]

Does this make Kyle not in Nvidias camp now? I cant keep track of who and who isnt a valid reviewer.

Anyways paper launching is now when a cards NDA lifts with a date of availability in the near future. But no cards available before that date. Learn something new every day.

 

[Genx87]

Since you're using standard boost clock as your basis, 2GHz would be 15% over stock boost clock. The highest boost clock EVGA 980 Ti is 1304MHz (K|NGP|N Edition), which is ~21% over standard boost clock of 1076MHz. Classified 980 Ti's are 1291MHz boost clock (20% over standard).

I think we'll see 2GHz models.

Given a demostration was done at 2.1Ghz. I think we will see 2.1Ghz editions.

 

[96Firebird]

Given a demostration was done at 2.1Ghz. I think we will see 2.1Ghz editions.

That is actual gaming clocks though, which are usually higher than what is listed as "boost clock".

But you might be right.

 

[Genx87]

btw he must had forgot about the ATi X800 series launched a decade ago. Due to a "software bug" in their mask software or something so they could never hit the clocks promised. Took ATI 6 months to figure it out. Supply was non-existent. And then they just kind of moved onto the x1900 series. People had pre-orders on the X800XTX or whatever it was for months. Some of them may still have a pre-order waiting to be filled.

 

[maddie]

In 2017. When I'm sure Nvidia will release a big Pascal chip as a gaming card.

I'm sure Volta will easily bury Vega.

Pretty much a sure bet in 2018. But by then we will have Navi. If the rumours are true, then scaling will allow a very high top performance model. Out of reach, unless Nvidia has the same design model. 600mm^2 will no longer be a limit.

 

[railven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-3fi1ovAP0

Gamers Nexus mounted a 980 ti hybrid kit to a 1080

FE max OC 2020 MHz

1080 "hybrid" max OC 2164 MHz in games
able to hit 2200 MHz in furmark by reducing mem voltage but crashed in games . seems card is held back by it's single 8 pin

I was waiting for this video. Woof, I knew that card was going to be limited by it's power delivery. Time to get some custom BIOS in that thing.

I'll probably go straight third party with custom board this time around. Not very satisfied with the OC headroom on the Ref PCB 1080.

EDIT:

Does this make Kyle not in Nvidias camp now? I cant keep track of who and who isnt a valid reviewer.

I personally don't like HardOCP for a review site, but around here, that guy is toss from camp to camp almost with every other release.

His critical opinion of this launch ushers him into the AMD camp. Haha. Until of course he slams AMD and he's back in the NV camp.

 

[antihelten]

In 2017. When I'm sure Nvidia will release a big Pascal chip as a gaming card.

I'm sure Volta will easily bury Vega.

Volta better bury Vega seeing as it's launching a year later (2018 versus 2017).

Volta will be competing with Navi, not Vega.

 

[sam_816]

500euro for the 1070 is too much. But even if we take the $379 price it will not be less than 430-450euro.

That is not what most would expect for a GTX 970 replacement.

how much are the taxes btw? In the US they range from 8-11% i think for retailers and etailers with brick&mortor stores.(0% if bought from newegg:wub
also, i saw 2-3 980ti xtremes selling at 500-535 on ebay yesterday.
on amazon it going for 594 now and 514 from amazon warehouse deals..
I wonder if these prices will further go down once 1070 & polaris are released/ unveiled at the end of this month

 

[96Firebird]

Volta better bury Vega seeing as it's launching a year later (2018 versus 2017).

Volta will be competing with Navi, not Vega.

Pretty much a sure bet in 2018. But by then we will have Navi. If the rumours are true, then scaling will allow a very high top performance model. Out of reach, unless Nvidia has the same design model. 600mm^2 will no longer be a limit.

Thank you for understanding that Mahigan's post was a joke, comparing to future GPUs that are scheduled for next year.

 

[sam_816]

No it wasn't. What Joe Macri said was completely unsubstantiated.

If you want to raise a point regarding 1080 max clocks in real world, please do so, but I strongly recommend you not to use this editor as a basis for your argument: he's been shown to repeatedly bend the truth to match his agenda.

Call Nvidia out for what they are clearly doing (especially marketing/PR talk) not for what other people are telling you they are doing. (bunch of amateurs who find out 2-3 hours before launch presentation that their product does 2.1Ghz)

I don't remember who said fury will be overclocker's dream but it was said during the official presentation and by an employee AND they did enjoy the cheer & applause.
also, i am not basing my concern on this article. but the points he mentioned are worth noticing anyways(despite his history) Nvidia's communication has been bad for this launch.
there was confusion about reference cards n FE cards being 2 different things, then there was confusion that FE cards are better chips, then the MSRP/FE pricing, then the confusion about availability of AIB partner designs, now there is/was some confusion about 1070 specs...
this guy might be an idiot(may be still is) but his points should not be overlooked..

 

[RussianSensation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-3fi1ovAP0

Gamers Nexus mounted a 980 ti hybrid kit to a 1080

FE max OC 2020 MHz

1080 "hybrid" max OC 2164 MHz in games
able to hit 2200 MHz in furmark by reducing mem voltage but crashed in games . seems card is held back by it's single 8 pin

Either the 8-pin and/or the power phase design. Overclockers.ru has 2000mhz 1080 @ 220W.

Fury X max OC @ 250W and 980Ti @ 1500mhx at 350W.
https://www.overclockers.ru/lab/76273_4/obzor-i-testirovanie-videokarty-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080.html

I personally don't care about power usage but if 1070 matches 980Ti, the 980Ti will be instantly irrelevant even at $380. Who will want a 980Ti 1500mhz @ 350W vs. a 180-190W 1070 OC 8GB with guaranteed driver support and superior features? I think a used 980Ti will need to drop to $350 and lower if there is even a single AIB 1070 out for $380.

As others have mentioned, AIB cards will be better than FE in nearly every imaginable way. The 0 dBA operation alone would be enough to buy a $699 AIB 1080 over the FE. Add better components, higher clocks, lower temperatures, it's going to be hard to see how AIBs won't jack up the price beyond $599 for a superior SKU.

 

[BlitzWulf]

Either the 8-pin and/or the power phase design. Overclockers.ru has 2000mhz 1080 @ 220W.

Fury X max OC @ 250W and 980Ti @ 1500mhx at 350W.
https://www.overclockers.ru/lab/76273_4/obzor-i-testirovanie-videokarty-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080.html

I personally don't care about power usage but if 1070 matches 980Ti, the 980Ti will be instantly irrelevant even at $380. Who will want a 980Ti 1500mhz @ 350W vs. a 180-190W 1070 OC 8GB with guaranteed driver support and superior features? I think a used 980Ti will need to drop to $350 and lower if there is even a single AIB 1070 out for $380.

As others have mentioned, AIB cards will be better than FE in nearly every imaginable way. The 0 dBA operation alone would be enough to buy a $699 AIB 1080 over the FE. Add better components, higher clocks, lower temperatures, it's going to be hard to see how AIBs won't jack up the price beyond $599 for a superior SKU.

I have a question how long does it usually take from launch for AIB partners to come out with cards that have improved power delivery components?

I imagine it wouldnt be too great to buy an aftermarket card if its just a reference PCB with a better cooler ala XFX on the Radeon side . In fact cards like that seem pointless for this GPU at least as far as performance improvement goes.

 

[AtenRa]

how much are the taxes btw? In the US they range from 8-11% i think for retailers and etailers with brick&mortor stores.(0% if bought from newegg:wub
also, i saw 2-3 980ti xtremes selling at 500-535 on ebay yesterday.
on amazon it going for 594 now and 514 from amazon warehouse deals..
I wonder if these prices will further go down once 1070 & polaris are released/ unveiled at the end of this month

Well depends on the Country, Germany has the lowest Electronics import taxation and VAT in EU if im not mistaken.

from guru3d, GTX 1080 founders prices.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1080_review,30.html

World prices then (suggested MSRP for Founders edition):

• Serbian Dinar RSD 96,900
• Czech Koruna CZK 21,400
• Danish Krone DKK 6,150
• Germany EUR 789
• France EUR 789
• British Pound GBP 619
• Hungarian Forint HUF 259,850
• Norwegian Krone NOK 7,599
• Polish Zloty PLN 3,599
• Romanian New Lei RON 3,499
• Russian Rouble RUB 54,990
• Indian Rupee INR 63,250
• Swedish Krona SEK 7,699
• Turkish Lira TRY 2,850
• South African Rand ZAR 13,599
• Switzerland CHF 790
• UAE AED 2,850
• USA USD 699

With current exchange

Czech Koruna CZK 21,400 = 792 Euro - same as Germany
Danish Krone DKK 6,150 = 827 Euro - Higher than Germany
British Pound GBP 619 = 806 Euro - a little higher than Germany

etc etc

For reference USD 699 = 624 Euro. Hell, that is a lot of taxation in EU.

 

[antihelten]

Thank you for understanding that Mahigan's post was a joke, comparing to future GPUs that are scheduled for next year.

Point taken

 

[Timmah!]

I have a question how long does it usually take from launch for AIB partners to come out with cards that have improved power delivery components?

I imagine it wouldnt be too great to buy an aftermarket card if its just a reference PCB with a better cooler ala XFX on the Radeon side . In fact cards like that seem pointless for this GPU at least as far as performance improvement goes.

I keep wondering about this too. Just for comparison checked reviews for gtx980ti last year, seems one of the first aftermarket cards to be reviewed was Evga SC ACX, and the review was from 28th june. The GPU was launched on 31th May. So about a month later. I cant say if thats a rule withn these releases or just specific case for that GPU in question.

 

[Udgnim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-3fi1ovAP0

Gamers Nexus mounted a 980 ti hybrid kit to a 1080

FE max OC 2020 MHz

1080 "hybrid" max OC 2164 MHz in games
able to hit 2200 MHz in furmark by reducing mem voltage but crashed in games . seems card is held back by it's single 8 pin

going to need wait for some vendor to stick 3 8 pins on the board like Galax did with 980 Ti

http://wccftech.com/galax-unveils-g...hof-cards-white-colored-highly-modified-pcbs/

 

[96Firebird]

I keep wondering about this too. Just for comparison checked reviews for gtx980ti last year, seems one of the first aftermarket cards to be reviewed was Evga SC ACX, and the review was from 28th june. The GPU was launched on 31th May. So about a month later. I cant say if thats a rule withn these releases or just specific case for that GPU in question.

TPU shows a review for EVGA 980 Ti SC on May 31st (review says June 1st though) from HiTech Legion, with more custom cards being reviewed after a week.

As for which of those cards have a custom PCB, I have no idea.

 

[sam_816]

Well depends on the Country, Germany has the lowest Electronics import taxation and VAT in EU if im not mistaken.

from guru3d, GTX 1080 founders prices.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1080_review,30.html


With current exchange

Czech Koruna CZK 21,400 = 792 Euro - same as Germany
Danish Krone DKK 6,150 = 827 Euro - Higher than Germany
British Pound GBP 619 = 806 Euro - a little higher than Germany

etc etc

For reference USD 699 = 624 Euro. Hell, that is a lot of taxation in EU.

$902 in UK
$936 in india

 

[sam_816]

going to need wait for some vendor to stick 3 8 pins on the board like Galax did with 980 Ti

http://wccftech.com/galax-unveils-g...hof-cards-white-colored-highly-modified-pcbs/

galax FE will come with single 8-pin going by the pics on their site

looks like their will be 4 Gtx 10 series card from galax

the 2nd (blue eye paint) model has moved to the boxart of 980ti FE.
i am sensing the rest will also move to box arts of other varient of 1080(or 1070) in the near future.