[HardOCP] GeForce Partner Program Impacts Consumer Choice

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sontin

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They may still have stock with old packaging. The product sold needs to match the description.

That was not the point. Read the posting from my quote. Newegg did nothing. Those cards were always available or visible on their site.
 

Guru

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Gigabyte and MSI have on most of their websites removed AMD GPU's from their gaming brands. few websites might still have the old cards, until they get updated.
 

MrTeal

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Gigabyte and MSI have on most of their websites removed AMD GPU's from their gaming brands. few websites might still have the old cards, until they get updated.
Which websites? I checked the Canadian and US Gigabyte websites, and they still have a bunch of the Aorus and Gaming branded RX580 & Vega cards listed.
 
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richaron

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Which websites? I checked the Canadian and US Gigabyte websites, and they still have a bunch of the Aorus and Gaming branded RX580 & Vega cards listed.
Of course they do. Do you really think they'd have to recall all the cards already in distribution channels?

What I'm interesting in is a simple list of the partners who signed up to such a transparent transparent program. It's surprisingly hard to find. Not like I think my meagre purchasing decisions would make a difference, but from a personal moral point of view I'd like to know which brands to support and recommend in the future.

So far it seems these guys have signed up:
  • ASUS (/Asrock)
  • Gigabyte
  • MSI
 
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OatisCampbell

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Length of time between releases, lack of competition at leading edge, only two firms competing at mid range, and mining are the problems facing choice and competition for computer gamers.

GPP? OK, but until the above are resolved, BOHICA.
 

lixlax

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I will do my part and avoid MSI, Gigabyte and ASUS when buying AMD gpus and motherboards.
Sadly 99+% of the customers don't know know and/or care about Nvidias market practices so the effect will be next to not existent.

We have more than decent options for AMD craphics cards like Sapphire, XFX and Powercolor. But as for motherboards if you exclude Asus (Asrock), MSI and Gigabyte then basically the only one left on the table is Biostar which doesn't have excellent reputation at the moment.
 

DiogoDX

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Sadly 99+% of the customers don't know know and/or care about Nvidias market practices so the effect will be next to not existent.

We have more than decent options for AMD craphics cards like Sapphire, XFX and Powercolor. But as for motherboards if you exclude Asus (Asrock), MSI and Gigabyte then basically the only one left on the table is Biostar which doesn't have excellent reputation at the moment.
In these case I will have to compromise on asrock (same owner of ASUS but on diferent brading).
 
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4K_shmoorK

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Of course they do. Do you really think they'd have to recall all the cards already in distribution channels?

What I'm interesting in is a simple list of the partners who signed up to such a transparent transparent program. It's surprisingly hard to find. Not like I think my meagre purchasing decisions would make a difference, but from a personal moral point of view I'd like to know which brands to support and recommend in the future.

So far it seems these guys have signed up:
  • ASUS (/Asrock)
  • Gigabyte
  • MSI

That's not what he's asking.

He's asking for concrete links that show these companies are adjusting product branding in accordance to GPP. So far the 3 companies you have listed have made no adjustments to existing AMD product offerings on their website or elsewhere. No new 'generic' offerings. That's what we're asking, where are some actual examples?
 
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piesquared

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Hardware manufacturers removing game branding from AMD products?
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ha...removing-game-branding-from-amd-products.html

Hilbert states current evidence is thin. Mentions lack of definitive evidence GPP is in effect. Article posted 3/20/18.

Well considering there is a gag order in effect probably with very serious consequences if the details are released, it's not hard to realize why it might be that evidence is thin. However from Kyle Bennet's sources and some peculiar branding changes in the channel, it's probably safer to assume that there is a racket than not. nvidia being completely silent and locking everything down is how companies like nvidia can skirt the edges of plausible deniability. Luckily we have their history and those willing to uncover the actual facts to form a pretty knowledgeable opinion of what is really happening behind the scenes.
 

npoe1

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That isn't happening right away doesn't mean that isn't going to happen. I'm not sure about you guys but from experience companies doesn't move quick or perfectly. Mistakes and inconsistences are going to happen and the move could take months to be complete.
 

Dribble

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Really the only solution to this is for AMD to compete better, which means better cards, better availability, better marketing. Internet rage won't change anything - 99.9% of people will buy the best card for them, not from what is ethically the nicest company. As a nerd I personally haven't bought a single apple product since they sued for square rectangles, and it doesn't seem to have hurt apple much.

In this case Nvidia is able to turn the screw so hard because AMD have no top tier cards - they simply don't compete and capitalism says you beat them when they are down not help them up. AMD is seen as a budget company and Nvidia is forcing AIB's to reinforce this by not allowing them to use the same branding on Nvidia and AMD cards.

The sad thing is AMD doesn't compete not because the world is horrible to them but mostly because they have been so badly run. That's where I have the biggest issue with supporting AMD - they are not a hard luck story, they had it and they lost it themselves - it's no one's fault but AMD's that their management/marketing/etc is terrible. Is it really my job as the consumer to not get my ideal gpu just to reward that failure?
 

Despoiler

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Really the only solution to this is for AMD to compete better, which means better cards, better availability, better marketing. Internet rage won't change anything - 99.9% of people will buy the best card for them, not from what is ethically the nicest company. As a nerd I personally haven't bought a single apple product since they sued for square rectangles, and it doesn't seem to have hurt apple much.

In this case Nvidia is able to turn the screw so hard because AMD have no top tier cards - they simply don't compete and capitalism says you beat them when they are down not help them up. AMD is seen as a budget company and Nvidia is forcing AIB's to reinforce this by not allowing them to use the same branding on Nvidia and AMD cards.

The sad thing is AMD doesn't compete not because the world is horrible to them but mostly because they have been so badly run. That's where I have the biggest issue with supporting AMD - they are not a hard luck story, they had it and they lost it themselves - it's no one's fault but AMD's that their management/marketing/etc is terrible. Is it really my job as the consumer to not get my ideal gpu just to reward that failure?

I think filed complaints to the FTC in the US and the competition board in the EU will solve this too.

I also making up stats such as "99.9% of people will buy the best card for them, not from what is ethically the nicest company." is silly given a) AMD has at least 20% of the overall market and b) a good majority AMD buyers, certainly more than .1%, do it because they hate Nvidia's business practices. It factors into their decision.
 

BFG10K

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I think filed complaints to the FTC in the US and the competition board in the EU will solve this too.
An even simpler solution is for Intel/AMD to start charging nVidia licensing fees for "certification" in order to use their chipsets, disabling PCIe in any case where nVidia fails to pay up.

This would threaten to shut down nVidia's core business overnight. Watch how quickly they'd run away with their tail between their legs.

It's simply outrageous that nVidia rakes in $millions by taking advantage of Intel/AMD chipset IP for absolutely free, then they run around and put the squeeze on them.
 
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Despoiler

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An even simpler solution is for Intel/AMD to start charging nVidia licensing fees for "certification" in order to use their chipsets, disabling PCIe in any case where nVidia fails to pay up.

This would threaten to shut down nVidia's core business overnight. Watch how quickly they'd run away with their tail between their legs.

It's simply outrageous that nVidia rakes in $millions by taking advantage of Intel/AMD chipset IP for absolutely free, then they run around and put the squeeze on them.

Sure, but I think that type of solution is along the same lines as what Nvidia is doing. It's strong arming which I'm against.

I don't think GPP is going to turn out how Nvidia wants it. It's like a Star Wars quote "The more you tighten your grip, Jensen, the more computer systems will slip through your fingers."
 

ZipSpeed

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An even simpler solution is for Intel/AMD to start charging nVidia licensing fees for "certification" in order to use their chipsets, disabling PCIe in any case where nVidia fails to pay up.

This would threaten to shut down nVidia's core business overnight. Watch how quickly they'd run away with their tail between their legs.

It's simply outrageous that nVidia rakes in $millions by taking advantage of Intel/AMD chipset IP for absolutely free, then they run around and put the squeeze on them.

You know, I like this. Yeah, strong arming sucks and it should be considered a last resort, but sometimes you have no choice but to fight dirt with dirt to put others in their place.
 
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