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UsandThem

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^Up for some updates^

The prices and the newer cores needs to be updated.

What do you think of the new recommendations?

 

Gamingphreek

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However i do think you need to update your CPU section. The pentiums really do not hold any signigificant lead in Encode/Decoding tasks. While in some encoders (ie DivX) Intel still holds a small lead, the next to nothing.

-Kevin
 

Diasper

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I really like the idea of this guide - of having *some* guide to help the forums getting swamped by give me advice on this rig. I really commend the work you've done.

That said I don't quite agree with the recommendations here. I don't think it's necessary to always advise of both Intel and AMD setups - I'm not a fanboy but simply there should not need to be an Intel section as it will only confuse newbies

Sections I think there should be:
- Low (but perhaps not needed as grandma would be better off getting a PC from an OEM)
- Best bang/buck with upgrade options - the most crucial one
- High end - nice but not really relevant

Also possibly
- Small form factor / media box
- Video/photo editing


I started a post on this focusing specifically on the best bang/buck with upgradebility (low/medium cost). Anyway, while I didn't see this here, I'd be happy collaborate if you so wanted. (edit - btw I just saw you posted on my thread )

The beginning of my recommendation was:

Best bang/buck while retaining high performance and future upgradeability (Barebones)
eg you have $2000 but rather than spending that all now we work how what is the maximum that money in the long run . So this means having a speedy enough machine to fit needs now but also into the future by allowing good upgrade paths.

CPU AMD64 3000+ Venice as the cheapest CPU that can overclock well - reports seem to indicate that it overclocks easily to 2.6+ghz on air. Other Venice chips typically score about the same so it is not worth spending 50% more etc on less than 20% difference.

Upgrade To dual-core later on when prices have come down say in about a year. AMD might also be offering 65nm dual-cores by then allowing for even greater overclocks than currently on the X2 - perhaps more cache might be added as well with the smaller process. Either way price, tech and timing (for games coming out) it would provide far better timing/cost.

Motherboard DFI Ultra D because of it's excellent quality build, overclocking options including the ability to handle high overclocks well. Moreover, it can be very easily modified to SLI and so retain great flexibility if so chosen.

Upgrade possibility With a second PCI-Express slot available it should allow you to include a PPU at a later date as you may wish to (Another reason not to spend all your money now). Certainly the PPU is extremely promising technology and may be of far more benefit to systems in the future over CPU upgrades.

RAM Crucial Value sticks (2x 1GB) - Ultimately you'll want 2GB for the latest and greatest (Longhorn will probably benefit from it) and given RAM prices now is an excellent time to buy. As for choosing Crucial Vale 1GB, the reasons are because they are speed-binned Crucial Ballistix 1GB sticks. This means many people have been able to get 240-250mhz with 2 sticks at 3-3-3 timings. Dual-core will no doubt benefit from it - certainly 4 sticks is not the way to go as the memory controller is unlikely to take well to handling 4 sticks at 2-2-2 and 250mhz - in fact it undoubtedly won't.

Moreover that 2T timing will take away from bandwidth alot - while that matters less for single -core who don't need much bandwidth this may be far more significant with dual-core which will inherently demand greater bandwidth - either way why chance it. More can be read here. As for timings and their relative importance check Zebo's guide. Still if you want the best sticks Crucial Ballistix 1GB are the best you can do where some people even hit 2.5-2-2 @ 250mhz. While lucky doing anything like that speed at low voltages places the RAm higher than BH-5, CH-5 etc as the RAM won't need active cooling or risk shortening it's life and so will be suitable for a far wider range of people.
 

Diasper

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Also don't recommend toms for hardware reviews (...ok, MAYBE for monitor reviews but NOTHING else)

Only quality review sites ....eg Anandtech, Xbit, SPRC etc...
 

Diasper

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Also I think the guide could benefit with more direct links for users to understand things more easily - eg RAM timings there's Corsairs pdf file on it - equally for AMD systems therre' Zebo's guide. Or on RAID.


Also there's should be some more ready information for users to get started with

eg categorisings graphics cards according to levels of what resolutions they'd allow you to play at at what sort of detail

eg
Current latest games:

1280 x 1024
9800 Pro - at medium-high
6600GT - at high-very high
X800XL & 6800GT & X800XT- at full with AA and AF

1600 x 1200
6600Gt - medium settings and no AA and AF.
X800XL & 6800GT - high details and some AA and AF
6800 Ultra and X800XT - slightly higher details and more AA and AF ** the X80oXT is typically ever so slightly faster but note the less features (as below)

NB the X800 series does not have features like SM3.0 - these features might become more important in future and help speed the 6800 series up comparatively.

Also it would be good to mention which are good overclockers eg the 6800GT can easily be overclocked to ultra specs - the X800XL by comparison has little headroom.

Perhaps special note should be made for the BFG card for it's overclocked status and excellent warranty



One problem - as HDR comes out these things will change - maybe we'll end up needing a 7800GTX for 1280x1024
 

rhk0327

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Dfi officially declared that your powers supply needs a minimum of 480 watts on their nf4 boards. 400w is too low to run this setup, especially for the money.

AMD Based Computer $1973.00

AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego Integrated into Chip FSB 1MB L2 Cache Processor $482.00

BFG NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra Motherboard $124.00

Thermaltake VA3000 Dream Tower $105.00

SeaSonic S12-430 ATX12V 430W Power Supply $100.00
 

Johnbear007

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Your cpu section needs to be updated badly. This is a good guide, but if you dont keep it up to date its going to mislead n00bs
 
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