HardwareCanucks TitanZ > R9 295X2

[bakalu]

I just glanced at the review, conclusion says 780 Ti SLI is 6% faster at 4K, same performance at 1440p. Quickly looked at the charts, when TitanZ is faster, it is within 5% of 780 Ti SLI. Surely you know there is a variance in the result, just look at the graphs and it will give you an idea.

Unless I am missing something...?

Sorry my english
I don't care performance between TITAN Z and 780 Ti SLI, 780 Ti SLI is always winner (in resolution 1080p and 1440p).

I'm very confused that, only HardwareCanucks review TITAN Z wins 295X2, many other reviews 295X2 wins TITAN Z.

So between 295X2 and TITAN Z, who is really stronger ?

 

[3DVagabond]

We're still working on our comprehensive list of shill sites, right? So hardwarecanucks paid by NV, while hardOCP is paid fully AMD (but were paid by nvidia during the 600 series), and then you have "AMD zone/center" anandtech, PCPer who goes back and forth depending on the day of the week - I think they're paid by nvidia monday through wednesday but AMD pays them for reviews on Thursdays and Fridays. I think TPU is paid every on even months by NV, and odd months by AMD.

Still working on the comprehensive list here.

On a related note, did anyone read the conclusion of the hardwarecanucks review? Seems that their recommendation was to get the 295X2 instead of the Titan Z. That's a hell of a conclusion to make in a review that was paid for by nvidia! LOL

Don't try and dismiss this by lumping everyone together into the conspiracy basket. The results are not adding up to Skymtl's claims.


Notes from the 295x2 review:

Drivers:
AMD 14.4 Beta
NVIDIA 337.50 Beta

*Notes:

- All games tested have been patched to their latest version

- The OS has had all the latest hotfixes and updates installed

- All scores you see are the averages after 2 benchmark runs

All IQ settings were adjusted in-game and all GPU control panels were set to use application settings

Every card undergoes a 10 minute warm-up cycle before each benchmark.

Notes from the Titan-Z review.

Drivers:
AMD 14.6 Beta
NVIDIA 337.88 Beta

*Please note that a previous version of this page erroneously listed AMD's 14.4 driver. All testing on AMD hardware was conducted with the 14.6 beta driver.

*Notes:

- All games tested have been patched to their latest version

- The OS has had all the latest hotfixes and updates installed

- All scores you see are the averages after 2 benchmark runs

All IQ settings were adjusted in-game and all GPU control panels were set to use application settings

He can claim he reran all the tests with current drivers all he wants to but it's clear he took results from prior tests with different drivers and reused them. I do question his work ethic which brings his results into doubt. Add to that the discrepancies from his review and others and it's easy to dismiss his review.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Sorry my english
I don't care performance between TITAN Z and 780 Ti SLI, 780 Ti SLI is always winner (in resolution 1080p and 1440p).

I'm very confused that, only HardwareCanucks review TITAN Z wins 295X2, many other reviews 295X2 wins TITAN Z.

So between 295X2 and TITAN Z, who is really stronger ?

Most sites seem to say the R9 295 is a little bit faster overall. But, while it might be a bit faster when averaging a lot of benches, it is really better to compare the two cards juding by the individual games you play. Sometimes you'll see one card is quicker than the other in games you play much more than the overall average would suggest.

 

[master_shake_]

295x2 vs titan z is no contest.

the 295x2 is the better card all the way around.

temps, form factor, performance, PRICE!.

they can scream that the titan z is a workstation card all they want. without the proper support its a gaming card period.

 

[Grooveriding]

Looks like HWC has some 'splainin to do

 

[3DVagabond]

Sorry my english
I don't care performance between TITAN Z and 780 Ti SLI, 780 Ti SLI is always winner (in resolution 1080p and 1440p).

I'm very confused that, only HardwareCanucks review TITAN Z wins 295X2, many other reviews 295X2 wins TITAN Z.

So between 295X2 and TITAN Z, who is really stronger ?

It's all academic for 99% of us. Unless you need all that GPU horsepower on a single card (the 1%'ers) you are better off buying 2x 290's (non X), and O/C them, for about 1/2 the price of a 295x2. Or, as long as you are going multi GPU anyway, 3 290's for ~$1100 and destroy these two cards. The $3K price tag for a Titan-Z is simply outrageous and makes it impossible to include in any sane comparison.

 

[KaRLiToS]

295x2 vs titan z is no contest.

the 295x2 is the better card all the way around.

temps, form factor, performance, PRICE!.

they can scream that the titan z is a workstation card all they want. without the proper support its a gaming card period.

+ Rep

 

[SinOfLiberty]

I am interested if GTX 880 will match the size of titan Z(in width and length) based off of http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2390378

It will be funny: Oh hey, look I just grabbed a Titan Z but GPU-z shows it is 880!

Looks like Z will set the trend of the next flagship GPUs! Heck, there was definitely more to this 3K card than just the DP/Gaming features!! :biggrin:

 

[KaRLiToS]

I am interested if GTX 880 will match the size of titan Z(in width and length) based off of http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2390378

It will be funny: Oh hey, look I just grabbed a Titan Z but GPU-z shows it is 880!

Looks like Z will set the trend of the next flagship GPUs! Heck, there was definitely more to this 3K card than just the DP/Gaming features!! :biggrin:

Which is???? :hmm:

 

[SinOfLiberty]

The Dimensions!! They will carry on to a next Flagship!

Also, a cooler for 2 processors(gpu and cpu) as Maxwell will feature ARM cpu.

 

[SPBHM]

Don't try and dismiss this by lumping everyone together into the conspiracy basket. The results are not adding up to Skymtl's claims.


Notes from the 295x2 review:


Notes from the Titan-Z review.


He can claim he reran all the tests with current drivers all he wants to but it's clear he took results from prior tests with different drivers and reused them. I do question his work ethic which brings his results into doubt. Add to that the discrepancies from his review and others and it's easy to dismiss his review.

that's extremely bad, the removal of the "warm-up" (which would only benefit Titan Z because it's the only card with new results, and probably overheating more) and the fact it looks like he is lying (I don't see how different runs with different drivers for all the card will get 100% the same result) about drivers version (apart from the Titan Z possibly), nice way to kill any credibility you had Hardwarecanucks.

 

[Silverforce11]

that's extremely bad, the removal of the "warm-up" (which would only benefit Titan Z because it's the only card with new results, and probably overheating more) and the fact it looks like he is lying (I don't see how different runs with different drivers for all the card will get 100% the same result) about drivers version (apart from the Titan Z possibly), nice way to kill any credibility you had Hardwarecanucks.

Not only removal of the 10 minute warm up would skew the results (as would re-using old drivers for R295X2!).. I highly suspect he pulled a Tomshardware move in manual cranking up the fan for benches (would explain the higher boost than other sites) while leaving it on auto for noise testing (low noise similar to other sites).

There is zero chance that SINGLE fan at default rpm is able to cool essentially 780Ti SLI worth of power consumption and heat. Because if that is real (its not!), then NV's triumphant engineering miracle isn't TitanZ, it's that magical heatsink & fan cooler.

 

[Grooveriding]

So according to SKYMTL, he updated the review cause he actually tested with 14.6 beta.



And in the review:

Looks like that is BS from Hardware Canucks and they did not use 14.6 Beta, but did indeed use 14.4 Beta, rehashed the numbers from their 295X2 launch review which were ran on the 14.4 Beta

See here: 295X2 Launch Review

Then here: Titan(ic)Z Review

Exactly the same results on both. If you peruse both reviews you'll see that for all the numbers.

BS review ? Maybe nvidia wanted at least one review out there that didn't lay bare that the titanz is a stinker... :ninja:

 

[Silverforce11]

Looks like that is BS from Hardware Canucks and they did not use 14.6 Beta, but did indeed use 14.4 Beta, rehashed the numbers from their 295X2 launch review which were ran on the 14.4 Beta

See here: 295X2 Launch Review

Then here: Titan(ic)Z Review

Exactly the same results on both. If you peruse both reviews you'll see that for all the numbers.

BS review ?

BS & very slack review. He should not have done that, credibility = down the gutter.

 

[HurleyBird]

I doubt bias (at least overt bias), but it certainly looks lazy. Wouldn't be much of an issue if he hadn't went and lied about it.

 

[Silverforce11]

I doubt bias (at least overt bias), but it certainly looks lazy. Wouldn't be much of an issue if he hadn't went and lied about it.

If you are a hardware guru of many years experience, you would know that omitting a 10 minute warm up that you usually do in other reviews just for TitanZ's would result in much higher performance numbers. Throttling is the one flaw of the TitanZ.

That is biased, outright. Not even overt.

Then you use old numbers on older drivers to make the R295X2 look worse, then lied about it... well. That's just scum territory, and way to ruin your review site credibility.

Even when Toms pulled biased reviews, they didn't lie. They declared openly they ran the 780s with 80% manual fan speed to keep it at its max boost clocks.

 

[RussianSensation]

If you are a hardware guru of many years experience, you would know that omitting a 10 minute warm up that you usually do in other reviews just for TitanZ's would result in much higher performance numbers. Throttling is the one flaw of the TitanZ.

That is biased, outright. Not even overt.

It is still possible that Titan Z would not throttle in the first 2-3 min in most benches. We know game benches are not done over a 10 minute scene. Between tests, the card would cool down. The reality is Titan Z throttles to 706mhz at reasonable noise levels after 20 minutes of gaming:

http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/18944-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z/18#pagehead

295X2 will give you sub-75C and similar noise level curve for 24 hours of gaming because of LC. While Titan Z could win in 2-3 minute benchmark runs, real world gaming is a different story --- it just takes a site with more thorough testing to reveal this.

It's somewhat trivial to even have the discussion. Even if Titan Z were 15% faster all the time, at $3K it will always be a failure as a gaming card due to Titan Blacks SLI or 780Ti SLI. In 6 months when 880Ti launches, no one will care about this overpriced gaming card anyway (or about 295X2 either).

I don't know how anyone who follows the GPUs and cares about money will even consider 780Ti SLI, 295X2 or Titan Z at this point when 880Ti is slated before end of the year and after market 290s provide 90% of the performance at stock speeds for ~$800.

 

[3DVagabond]

There's actually a pretty good selection for less than $400 each.
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/compa...-axr92904gbd5ppdhe,xfx-video-card-r9290aedfd/

 

[Attic]

Hardwarecanuks has always been a LOL site from what I've seen. Complete garbage.

 

[Reaper_Tech]

yea review is fishy to be sure.