[Hardwareluxxx]Breaking news: AMD Fury X will be slower than GX 980Ti

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Headfoot

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Why would AMD send out cards to game devs that can't actually work? AMD had working samples for quite a while, it there are any cards at Computex or not can't be confirmed. Also, do you think that they are going to manage to actually change the cards settings just a few weeks before it's supposed to be in stores?

Very unlikely.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Explain why you think there is no BIOS on the cards. Im sure if before this was leaked if someone asked all the forum warriors here "How likely is it that AIBs dont have BIOSes for their cards?" everyone would say "No way."
 

DownTheSky

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If perf was greater than Titan X or 980Ti we would have had leaks by now. My guess they went for perf/watt like with the original 7970 but 980Ti beats them. So now they're upping the clocks to beat nVidia. Way late anyway.
 

exar333

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No one, literally no one, in this thread has said this. I've never said this despite everyone attempts to straw man me into having said this.

If you don't have final BIOS you cant say whats faster because the BIOS determines a good deal of the performance of the card, period. Clock speed, power limitations (TDP limits), fan speed. They might know what the TEST cards performance is, but if AMD has moved in response to 980 Ti (which is highly likely), then their information is outdated and inaccurate because AMD has not yet delivered the new BIOS. If its neck to neck, BIOS can be the tie breaker. Which might be what AMD is doing.

I just dont see whats difficult to understand about this

Either way you look at it, AMD's partners know where this likely will land. The rumor isn't really clear, and thats our real problem. Is the Fury the AIBs have been using slower, or is the person who allegedly saying this stating there is no way for this to beat the 980Ti? I don't think we know...

If the Fury they had their hands on was 20% slower than the 980Ti, I am sure they are pretty confident saying it won't beat it. On the other hand, your example where they are close, the BIOS definitely could make or break it.

Regardless, a final BIOS will not give a HUGE performance jump. Forcing 80% fans and maxxing power-consumption to get 20% just isn't rational.
 

Headfoot

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Nothing to do with the 980Ti. That card was released on Sunday, while a lot of people already were getting ready for Computex. The time frame is way too small for that.

That doesn't answer the question

Why don't the cards in possession of AIB partners have BIOSes? Whats your theory?

If the Fury they had their hands on was 20% slower than the 980Ti, I am sure they are pretty confident saying it won't beat it. On the other hand, your example where they are close, the BIOS definitely could make or break it.

Regardless, a final BIOS will not give a HUGE performance jump. Forcing 80% fans and maxxing power-consumption to get 20% just isn't rational.

True enough. I suspect if it really is water cooled, AMD has more room to push power consumption and performance up via BIOS than on any other card that came before it.
 
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That doesn't answer the question

Why don't the cards in possession of AIB partners have BIOSes?

What makes you think they don't? Baseless rumors? I say they do have working BIOS and had so for months. You got any legitimate evidence to say otherwise, present it.
 

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My new guess: Fury is going to more or less equal 980 TI. It will have great thermals and quiet operation, but have very little OC headroom left because AMD is going to clock the card beyond it's sweet spot and draw unnecessary power. Custom 980 TI cards will leave both Fury and Titan X in the dust.
 

AnandThenMan

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The cards also can't run in their current form, as no BIOS is present. It can therefore only be switched on, but no image will appear on a screen.
We are talking about a brick not a video card. And really the card cannot be "switched on" because with no BIOS the GPU will be doing exactly nothing.
 

Headfoot

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What makes you think they don't? Baseless rumors? I say they do have working BIOS and had so for months. You got any legitimate evidence to say otherwise, present it.

If you take any information as true from the leak in the OP you have to take ALL of that leaks' information is true. Not just the information that confirms your beliefs.... (e.g. You cant cite the leak to say 980 Ti is faster but then ignore the part where AIBs dont have final clocks)

All I'm hearing is 1) you have no theory as to why there's no BIOS on the AIB cards since you keep dodging the question, or 2) you're saying you think ALL of the information in the leak is false. 2) could very well be true.

IMO this whole leak stinks. I don't think its legit. Too unusual.
 
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Gikaseixas

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Two things

1 - Breaking gossip not breaking news

2 - Fiji from hero to zero - by cloudfire
 

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Wow 980 TI is just completely wrecking everyone's hopes and dreams. All this fluff news of respun ultra efficient Hawaii's and Tonga's, Fiji being 60% or more than a 290x... and then reality starts to set in.
 

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dark zero

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AMD failed to deliver the deadly blow... But wait... Wasn't supposed to see a dual GPU with the Fury?

Maybe the HBM is great, but the GPU perf is a dissaster.

AMD is failing hard... And not because HBM, but themselves.

BTW.. The 980Ti will kill Titan X, 980 and even the SLI of 970... They created something so good that will kill their own products...
 

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So let me get this straight: We went from an article that basically said THAT CARD RIGHT THERE won't turn on and doesn't have a bios to AIBs don't have the bios yet? How did we morph that to "no AIBs have bioses for their Fury cards yet"?
 

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AMD failed to deliver the deadly blow... But wait... Wasn't supposed to see a dual GPU with the Fury?

Maybe the HBM is great, but the GPU perf is a dissaster.

AMD is failing hard... And not because HBM, but themselves.
Yet another person with intimate insider knowledge that has seen all the benches.
 

geoxile

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AMD failed to deliver the deadly blow... But wait... Wasn't supposed to see a dual GPU with the Fury?

Maybe the HBM is great, but the GPU perf is a dissaster.

AMD is failing hard... And not because HBM, but themselves.

BTW.. The 980Ti will kill Titan X, 980 and even the SLI of 970... They created something so good that will kill their own products...

HBM was designed by AMD, so it's a little funny to say they're failing because of themselves while saying HBM could be great
 

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If you take any information as true from the leak in the OP you have to take ALL of that leaks' information is true. Not just the information that confirms your beliefs.... (e.g. You cant cite the leak to say 980 Ti is faster but then ignore the part where AIBs dont have final clocks)

All I'm hearing is 1) you have no theory as to why there's no BIOS on the AIB cards since you keep dodging the question, or 2) you're saying you think ALL of the information in the leak is false. 2) could very well be true.

IMO this whole leak stinks. I don't think its legit. Too unusual.

I don't take any info that is not official or has some strong evidence behind it as true. So far I consider everything a rumor outside of things we know are true (water cooled, HBM, smaller PCB).
 

Gikaseixas

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I could just say:
some pretty well known enthusiasts have a working sample and are helping AMD by testing and providing feedback. Final product being tweaked via drivers only

But i'm guessing haha
 

rainy

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I have a question to OP: how many threads about Radeon 300 series are you planning to create?
It's especially surprising because you're without any doubts a Nvidia fanboy.
 

Stuka87

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I have a question to OP: how many threads about Radeon 300 series are you planning to create?
It's especially surprising because you're without any doubts a Nvidia fanboy.

Its getting old to say the least to see three new threads a day on the same thing.
 
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