Harry Potter Spoilers

[1ManArmY]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: mugs
***** SPOILER *****


Tony Soprano got whacked by a guy in a Members Only jacket as he came out of the bathroom.

i thought he lived???

he did, ended with the screen going to black thus write your own conclusion or left open for possible movie on the big screen.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: Alone
1. How did Dumbledore defeat Grindewald if he had the Elder Wand? How did he defeat him without killing him?

2. You'll have to forgive me, but how was Draco the master of the Elder Wand before Harry disarmed him? He may have stopped Dumbledore, but he in no way defeated him.

1. Lots of people have been defeated while wielding the Elder Wand. I suspect it's in part because he wanted to lose. He was ashamed of what he had done with Dumbledore to D's sister. His lying to V also showed his remorse.

2. As I recall, Dumbledore didn't want Draco suffer from having killed him. So as a direct result of Draco's intentions, he arranged for his own death. The Elder wand must have decided that this was good enough for it and made Draco its master and not Snape.


Tony definitely died.

 

[cubalis]

Originally posted by: L00PY


2. As I recall, Dumbledore didn't want Draco suffer from having killed him. So as a direct result of Draco's intentions, he arranged for his own death. The Elder wand must have decided that this was good enough for it and made Draco its master and not Snape.

I thought it was that Draco disarmed Dumbledore on the tower, thus giving him the right to the wand, as Dumbledore was killed before getting it back.

 

[lupi]

Following is from baltimore sun which was able to get a copy via retailer that sold early.

Editor's Note: The Sun obtained the book from a reader, who is a relative of a Sun reporter. The relative preordered the book from an online retailer and received it before the publication date. The Sun did not pay for the book.

Let's cut to the chase:

Does Harry Potter, teenage wizard, survive to the very end of the blockbuster series by J.K. Rowling?

Is Severus Snape, the greasy-locked Potions master at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, a misunderstood double agent on the side of Truth, Justice and Muggle Rights, or merely the cleverest and most diabolical minion of the Dark Lord?

And, which of the book's lovable major characters meets a premature, albeit noble demise? And the answers are (drumroll, please):

I'm not going to tell you.

No. Nope. Absolutely not, no matter how hard you plead. You're just going to have to wait until the book's official release at 12:01 a.m. Saturday to find out for yourself. (But fair warning: If you read on, you may learn more than you care to know.)

Suffice it to say, though, that once you have consumed the final sentence on the final page crafted by Rowling, the ending seems inevitable. It is a tribute to the author's consummate storytelling skills that once the pieces fall into place, it all seems rather obvious. No other outcome would have been as plausible.

Taken as a whole, the Harry Potter series is a classic bildungsroman, or coming-of-age tale. Rowling carefully structured each of the previous six books to teach Harry a valuable life lesson that always is summed up at the book's end by Hogwarts' headmaster, Albus Dumbledore.

So, in Book 2, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, the boy wizard learns that character is determined not by people's abilities, but by the choices they make. And in Book 6, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, our hero learns that even the people we love and rely on the most are fallible, and that we may have more in common with our sworn enemies than we dreamed.

Book 7 is about coming to terms with death. From Plato to Descartes, our greatest thinkers have struggled with mortality. And in crafting her own answer, Rowling heavily borrows from the Christian notion of resurrection and the wisdom of accepting our own inevitable disintegration and decay.

Much of the pleasure in Rowling's books has derived from the inventiveness and humor she has employed in constructing her imaginary world (with, for instance, portraits whose subjects travel from picture frame to picture frame) and in the author's psychological acuity.

Has there ever been a better symbol of depression than the Dementors, the icy, hooded beings who can suck the soul from a person with a deadly kiss, leaving merely an empty husk?

Readers could enjoy Rowling's temporary, folksy fix for chasing away the blues (eat chocolate) while applauding the more permanent balm she offers: Concentrate with all your might on the events and people that have made you happy.

Book 7 is no less penetrating, but it lacks much of the charm and humor that distinguished the earlier novels. Even the writing is more prosaic, less fanciful.

But, how could it be otherwise?

By Book 7, Rowling is no longer inventing her magical world. Here, characters are accustomed to it, so it holds few surprises for them -- and, by extension, for us.

In addition, Harry and his friends are no longer children. The early books, in particular, were enchanting because we could watch Harry and his friends struggling with exceptional powers, which they had not yet mastered. So a young witch or wizard would mount a broomstick for the first time and promptly be bucked off. It wasn't unlike watching real boys and girls take their first steps or learn to read -- skills every bit as magical and mysterious as casting a Summoning Spell.

Book 7, unlike the previous novels, also introduces no major new characters that could invigorate the story.

Because the three companions are no longer in school, there is no new intriguing, possibly dangerous Dark Arts instructor with whom to contend. And even such old friends as werewolf Remus Lupin, the half- giant Hagrid and, yes, even Snape are offstage for much of the book.

The novel centers solidly on the efforts of Hermione, Ron and Harry to find and destroy the remaining horcruxes -- or magical objects containing fragments of Lord Voldemort's soul. As a result, the novel inevitably loses some of its vitality and spark. At times, the structure of Book 7 is overly complex.

In addition to the horcruxes, the friends also are searching for the three "hallows" mentioned in the book's title, magical objects that give the possessors the power to conquer death. (Unlike with the seven horcruxes, Harry, Ron and Hermione are told from the beginning what the hallows are. The only mystery is the location of these objects.)

That's 10 distinctly different magical objects, all with their own significance; trying to keep them all straight is not unlike searching for the golden snitch in a hotly contested game of Quidditch.

(Slytherin's locket? Horcrux or hallow? Try to remember, from Book 6, where it came from, who initially owned it and how Harry obtained it. Now, do that for the other nine objects.)

Longtime fans may be disappointed that all of their questions are not answered. For instance, Rowling once hinted, rather tantalizingly, that there's a reason that some dead people in her series return as ghosts, while others do not. She said that distinction would prove critical to the series' outcome. If it did, I missed it.

But what it may lack in sprightliness, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows makes up for with hard-won wisdom -- born, perhaps, out of personal experience.

Rowling has said she was inspired to make Harry an orphan by the loss of her own mother, who died from multiple sclerosis on New Year's Eve 1990.

But Rowling also is a mother (of Jessica, David and Mackenzie), so she knows firsthand the primal urge to protect her offspring.

It's not hard to see, in Harry's efforts to come to grips with death, echoes of the author's own struggle.

For Rowling, the parental bond has miraculous properties. That theme runs through all the novels, but in Book 7, it is especially important. It plays out not just between Harry and his dead parents, James and Lily Potter, but in other families as well. It's present in the strange, otherworldly Lovegoods, and even in the sneeringly arrogant Malfoys.

That love not only confers a sacred protection on the children; it also redeems, at least partially, their elders.

So, while we really can't divulge the ending of Book 7, we can tell you this much:

As the series draws to a close, Rowling gives her favorite character a rare and precious gift, a treasure that outshines any other boon she can imagine -- including immortality.

She gives Harry a family

 

[FireChicken]

Did they explain what happen to sirus black????

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: FireChicken
Did they explain what happen to sirus black????

Sirius is dead, there's nothing to be explained.

 

[SKORPI0]

Just got the book from B&N. Earlier discussed spoilers and book are the same.

 

[Zee]

Just finished reading the book. it was pretty alright for a childrens book. If they make a movie out of it, it would probably be incredibly corny like the 2nd movie.

Who's the new headmaster and minister.... blah. they didnt say

 

[marketsons1985]

Originally posted by: cubalis

Originally posted by: L00PY


2. As I recall, Dumbledore didn't want Draco suffer from having killed him. So as a direct result of Draco's intentions, he arranged for his own death. The Elder wand must have decided that this was good enough for it and made Draco its master and not Snape.

I thought it was that Draco disarmed Dumbledore on the tower, thus giving him the right to the wand, as Dumbledore was killed before getting it back.

Yup - disarming is considered winning a duel. The Elder Wand goes to whoever wins a duel (or changes owners in times of great need), and Draco "won" the duel.

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
If the invisibility cloaks are one of the three Hallows, how many are there? They can't just be created can they?

There's only one. All of the other "invisibility cloaks" were enchanted by wizards, while this one was created by Death. Even Death himself couldn't see through this, although it suggests that Dumbledore, Aberforth, and Mad-Eye were then more powerful than Death..

This one was special because its enchantment never lifted.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: blamb425
Voldy killed by Harry with Elder Wand

I thought Voldy killed himself when he was wielding the Elder Wand. Harry cast some spell that caused his curse to rebound and kill him (in part because Harry was the "master" of the Elder wand).

And Harry was a Horcrux.

So, for those that read the book, how did the the Griffyndor sword get into the Sorting Hat at the end?

anyone know the answer to that? I read the book and I'm still not sure myself (maybe I missed something?).

 

[marketsons1985]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: blamb425
Voldy killed by Harry with Elder Wand

I thought Voldy killed himself when he was wielding the Elder Wand. Harry cast some spell that caused his curse to rebound and kill him (in part because Harry was the "master" of the Elder wand).

And Harry was a Horcrux.

So, for those that read the book, how did the the Griffyndor sword get into the Sorting Hat at the end?

anyone know the answer to that? I read the book and I'm still not sure myself (maybe I missed something?).

No Idea for sure, but a couple theories:

1) Griphook was lying when he said that Godric Griffyndor stole the sword from the Goblins, and it was still his, in which case it was a magical object owned by wizards and the Sorting Hat's magic could still control it

2) "Help will always be given at Hogwart's to Those Who Ask For It" - Neville needed help killing Nagini, and as he was pure of heart, and a true Griffyndor (Think standing up to all the new rules at Hogwart's) he could pull the sword out in his time of need.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: blamb425
Voldy killed by Harry with Elder Wand

I thought Voldy killed himself when he was wielding the Elder Wand. Harry cast some spell that caused his curse to rebound and kill him (in part because Harry was the "master" of the Elder wand).

And Harry was a Horcrux.

So, for those that read the book, how did the the Griffyndor sword get into the Sorting Hat at the end?

anyone know the answer to that? I read the book and I'm still not sure myself (maybe I missed something?).

Remember in Chamber of Secrets, the Sword appeared to Harry from the hat. In the book (and DH as well) somewhere it says "The sword will come to true Gryffindors in times of need." Neville Longbottom, true Gryffindor.

Just finished, and as predicted, I really enjoyed it. Rowling writes a great plot, but I really wish the word choice was a little better.
I guess in the end it still has to be good for kids.

I liked that it all came full circle at the end. A proper way to end a septology (?)

 

[skywhr]

I thought there was only 1 spoiler thread and it had a sticky.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: skywhr
I thought there was only 1 spoiler thread and it had a sticky.

the stickied thread is spoiler-free.

since the mods unlocked this thread, I'm assuming they've given their consent to our discussing HP in here, spoilers and all,

 

[ForumMaster]

worst book imo thus far. seems a lot like x-men 3 the last stand: a lot of people die and there is a huge battle only to end with a really stupid and pathetic move.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Thought it was awesome but now I'm sad that it's over. The other books were great because they ended with a sense of 'what's next??'. This pains me like the end of the LoTR series and Sam saying 'Well, I'm back.' (or something along those lines)

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Thought it was awesome but now I'm sad that it's over. The other books were great because they ended with a sense of 'what's next??'. This pains me like the end of the LoTR series and Sam saying 'Well, I'm back.' (or something along those lines)

I completely agree. That feeling of finality sucks.

Good choice with your forum name :beer:

 

[RollWave]

man I'm bummed at this book being over, but I cant help but wonder if 5 or so years down the line JKR will pick up a pen and start scribbling down the saga of Albus Severus Potter.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Thought it was awesome but now I'm sad that it's over. The other books were great because they ended with a sense of 'what's next??'. This pains me like the end of the LoTR series and Sam saying 'Well, I'm back.' (or something along those lines)

I completely agree. That feeling of finality sucks.

Good choice with your forum name :beer:

Agreed 1st part

not sure of the second

 

[caivoma]

Is there any explanation on how the Death Eaters know when the Order of the Phoenix move HP at the beginning of the book?
I remember something about Snape told them but isnt Snape already out of the Order of the Phoenix by then?

 

[cronos]

finished reading it yesterday. loved the book and all that.

however, there is this one word that's repeated several times in the book that i find curious:

"effing"

anybody else notice that?

 

[bunker]

Originally posted by: caivoma
Is there any explanation on how the Death Eaters know when the Order of the Phoenix move HP at the beginning of the book?
I remember something about Snape told them but isnt Snape already out of the Order of the Phoenix by then?

It's explained when Harry is viewing Snape's memories in the pensive. Dumbledore told Snape to tell Voldemort and the death eaters when they were moving Harry.

 

[Praxis1452]

what were all 7 of the horcruxes?

Locket
Ring
Cup
Diadem
Harry


I can't seem to remember the last two.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: bunker

Originally posted by: caivoma
Is there any explanation on how the Death Eaters know when the Order of the Phoenix move HP at the beginning of the book?
I remember something about Snape told them but isnt Snape already out of the Order of the Phoenix by then?

It's explained when Harry is viewing Snape's memories in the pensive. Dumbledore told Snape to tell Voldemort and the death eaters when they were moving Harry.

Well not really...He found out, from my understanding, because he used the imperius curse on Mundungus, this is when he also told Mundungus to tell the Order to use decoys.

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
what were all 7 of the horcruxes?

Locket
Ring
Cup
Diadem
Harry


I can't seem to remember the last two.

Nagini the snake
the diary (from book 2)