Harry Reid "I believe ... that this war is lost"

[ProfJohn]

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The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid said, on the same day US President George W. Bush was giving a speech at an Ohio town hall meeting defending the war on terror.

I don't see how these comments can be anything but harmful, unless you are a terrorist.

Can anyone explain how declaring that our military has 'lost' a war is helpful to the future of America?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
New on drudge. link

The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid said, on the same day US President George W. Bush was giving a speech at an Ohio town hall meeting defending the war on terror.

I don't see how these comments can be anything but harmful, unless you are a terrorist.

Can anyone explain how declaring that our military has 'lost' a war is helpful to the future of America?

Cause the truth hurts and someone has to be man enough to call it the way the majority of Amwerica sees it.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
New on drudge. link

The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid said, on the same day US President George W. Bush was giving a speech at an Ohio town hall meeting defending the war on terror.

I don't see how these comments can be anything but harmful, unless you are a terrorist.

Can anyone explain how declaring that our military has 'lost' a war is helpful to the future of America?

unless you are a terrorist <<< Been listening to Rush today?

it is lost and was lost as soon as it was started using Rumsfeld grand lack of thinking - OH and add the wonderful moral superiority of our leaders...

Maybe you should walk with McCain WITHOUT 5 helicopters and 100 troops protecting his dumb ass

 

[ProfJohn]

Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: PrevaricatorJohn
Which side is he on?

The side of the majority of Americans... unlike YOU, the Traitor In Chief, his administration of liars, murderers and traitors! :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

I volunteer YOU to go to Iraq and show us how to fight, up front and personally.

Put your body where your mouth is, or STFU! :|

 

[Double Trouble]

I think he's simply stating a true fact. As a conservative, I don't buy into the liberal Bush-bashing that regularly takes place, but I'm pretty much in agreement with Reid that the 'war' is lost. Perhaps had there been a better plan, better execution (less hubris), actual legitimate measurable objectives etc the outcome could have been different, but right now it's just a matter of how long this is going to get dragged on before defeat is admitted.

Actually, defeat will not be admitted, they'll declare some sort of bogus victory and pull out - sooner or later.

 

[Zorba]

Admitting there is a problem is the first step.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

So what's the battlecry, same as John McCain's "Remember Vietnam"?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

Will to fight?

Who the fck are we fighting.. CAN YOU TELL US

What about those scumbags like Wolfowitz who tried to brainwash our politicians into voting for the war by saying that Iraq will pay for its own reconstruction costs..

This is a losing battle designed by losers

 

[dahunan]

Is Afghanistan doing any better than Iraq

We have nearly destroyed Iraq and set them back in time.. not advanced them one bit

 

[nageov3t]

at some point, isn't acknowledging the fact that you can't win and need to stop wasting lives of both Americans and Iraqis the smart thing to do

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Topic Title: Harry Reid "I believe ... that this war is lost"
Topic Summary: Which side is he on?

On the side of reality, something it is clear resident Republicans know nothing about.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

Ever heard of a phyrric victory? There are many ways to lose. The war in Vietnam was not lost militarily either. This war was lost when the first tomahawk was fired. Even the top US generals are saying that there is no military victory to be had in Iraq. In other words, striving for a military victory is pointless. The US has lost this war the same way they lost in Vietnam. Every day the US hangs on in Iraq it is hanging on to defeat.

 

[piasabird]

The problem is not with our military. The problem is with the leadership in Iraq. It was Iraq that kept us from making an example of Al-Sadr early in the war. Bush should have killed him and his thugs a long time ago. Iran is attacking us in Iraq and we have done nothing about it. The leadership from Bush down to the lowest soldier in Iraq are all a bunch of idiots. Iraqi people will never respect a bunch of nice gentle soldiers. All they respect is Violence and brutality. If we are not prepared to dish out violence and brutality we should get out of there.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
New on drudge. link

The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid said, on the same day US President George W. Bush was giving a speech at an Ohio town hall meeting defending the war on terror.

I don't see how these comments can be anything but harmful, unless you are a terrorist.

Can anyone explain how declaring that our military has 'lost' a war is helpful to the future of America?

Gee, ANOTHER "Telling the TRUTH means you're with the terrorists" thread from one of out Repugnant apologists...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I don't see how these comments can be anything but harmful, unless you are a terrorist.

Can anyone explain how declaring that our military has 'lost' a war is helpful to the future of America?

Leave it to ProfJohn to punish a politician for finally telling the truth.

EDIT: Wow, the OP got railed extra-hard for this one. :laugh:

Sorry, it's no longer a silly game of cops and robbers. 233 dead yesterday sent a message to Washington: the troop surge is an exercise in futility. Either put up real numbers (300,000+ soldiers) or pull-out.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
New on drudge. link

The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid said, on the same day US President George W. Bush was giving a speech at an Ohio town hall meeting defending the war on terror.

I don't see how these comments can be anything but harmful, unless you are a terrorist.

Can anyone explain how declaring that our military has 'lost' a war is helpful to the future of America?

because then you can move on.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

what are we fighting? Can our objective be reached? You can win ever battle and still lose the war.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

We had no substantial military defeats in Vietnam. Even in the Tet Offensive, the other side's casualties were far greater than ours and they made only very temporary territorial gains.

I do not accept the premise that the Iraq War initially had anything to do with terrorism. By starting this unwinable war, Bush greatly encouraged the terrorists who flocked to Iraq to fight us on their terms and among a population inclined to support them. Any encouragement of terrorists is attributable directly to the fools who started this mess.

Throwing away more American lives and resources in Iraq is dumb, no matter how you look at it. We should be focusing our efforts on Afganistan before that slips back into the abyss.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

That is ALL it takes to be defeated.

Morale

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

That is ALL it takes to be defeated.

I volunteer YOU to join PrevaricatorJohn to go to Iraq and show us how to fight, up front and personally.

You're another one who is welcome to put your body where your mouth is, or STFU! :|

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

That is ALL it takes to be defeated.

Morale

wrong.

you lose when you cant meet your goals.

remind what the goals were again in Iraq?

 

[Lemon law]

The point being---once you realize you can't win---you can begin the process of examining the options of how to cut your losses---and quit throwing still living people
after the formerly living 3300+ US troops we have already lost.

The patriotic question to ask is what can we do now?-----------the GWB&co. stupid answer is staying the course and spending all to validate something that never should have been started.
And hence is impossible to validate.

With total withdrawal just one of a wide range of options---military and diplomatic that GWB&co. totally roadblocks.

Its just like deal or no deal on TV---once the million is picked---there is still yet things to win for the rational.

Iraq is not binary---win or quit.

The only thing that unitary is GWB&co.------always stuck on stupid.

 

[tomywishbone]

Reid is correct.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wouldn't losing a war require a military defeat?

About the only thing we have lost is the will to fight, nothing else.

That is ALL it takes to be defeated.

I volunteer YOU to join PrevaricatorJohn to go to Iraq and show us how to fight, up front and personally.

You're another one who is welcome to put your body where your mouth is, or STFU! :|

My argument was against John's, but you're too stupid to see that.