Harvard announces free tuition to low income students

[KidViciou$]

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/daily/0402/28-finaid.html

pass this along to anyone you think it might be useful for!

 

[StevenYoo]

wish this was implemented when *I* was applying to colleges!

 

[jpeyton]

Ooooooold news.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Unfortunately such kids don't go to a good enough school district to get into Harvard

 

[Goosemaster]

damn....

 

[chuckywang]

Finally putting their 20+ billion dollar endowment to good use.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Unfortunately such kids don't go to a good enough school district to get into Harvard

i'm sure there are at least a few cases

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Unfortunately such kids don't go to a good enough school district to get into Harvard

:thumbsdown: Ban. The best students will always be good enough no matter what school they're in. Good students always overcome bad schools.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Unfortunately such kids don't go to a good enough school district to get into Harvard

QFT

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Unfortunately such kids don't go to a good enough school district to get into Harvard

:thumbsdown: Ban. The best students will always be good enough no matter what school they're in. Good students always overcome bad schools.

that ignores the possibility that they might only become good students under certain environmental circumstances.

 

[KidViciou$]

there are always a couple excellent students in terrible schools. at least they can be saved with something like this

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
there are always a couple excellent students in terrible schools. at least they can be saved with something like this

:thumbsup:

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: gopunk
that ignores the possibility that they might only become good students under certain environmental circumstances.

If that is the case, they're not that good of students and don't belong at Harvard.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: gopunk
that ignores the possibility that they might only become good students under certain environmental circumstances.

If that is the case, they're not that good of students and don't belong at Harvard.

if that were the criteria for who belongs at Harvard, only a handful of students would.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: gopunk
if that were the criteria for who belongs at Harvard, only a handful of students would.

You underestimate the quality of some students out there.

 

[Xcobra]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Unfortunately such kids don't go to a good enough school district to get into Harvard

are you saying that all low income students are dumb or dont have the skill to get into a school like Harvard? dont speak if you dont know #$%@ ive seen a few brilliant kids and the only reason they dont get into a good school is because of the money!

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Unfortunately such kids don't go to a good enough school district to get into Harvard

:thumbsdown: Ban. The best students will always be good enough no matter what school they're in. Good students always overcome bad schools.

Always? You overestimate the public education system.

The best of the best will crawl their way out of the hole, but good students that would have been Harvard-quality get dragged down every year. Some high schools don't even encourage their students to apply to college.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/daily/0402/28-finaid.html

pass this along to anyone you think it might be useful for!

I will, thanks KidViciou$ :beer:

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Always? You overestimate the public education system.

The best of the best will crawl their way out of the hole, but good students that would have been Harvard-quality get dragged down every year. Some high schools don't even encourage their students to apply to college.

Only about a 1,500 students get into Harvard every year, those all are some of the best of the best.

"Good" students don't get into Harvard.

The very best students aren't taught, they're just guided. They almost teach themselves. The quality of the school is almost negligible to these sort of students and there are more of these students out there than you think.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: gopunk
if that were the criteria for who belongs at Harvard, only a handful of students would.

You underestimate the quality of some students out there.

i'd be more inclined to believe you if you had some kind of substantive support.

regardless of the details though, the student body would be a lot smaller. there's a lot of bright students at harvard, but i really doubt that most of them would be there if it weren't for their privileged backgrounds. and the students that would be able to overcome bad schools are probably the ones that can find their way to some good college, so you wouldn't really add much to the student body through that.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Always? You overestimate the public education system.

The best of the best will crawl their way out of the hole, but good students that would have been Harvard-quality get dragged down every year. Some high schools don't even encourage their students to apply to college.

Only about a 1,500 students get into Harvard every year, those all are some of the best of the best.

"Good" students don't get into Harvard.

The very best students aren't taught, they're just guided. They almost teach themselves. The quality of the school is almost negligible to these sort of students and there are more of these students out there than you think.

i go to school with a bunch of hug alums (they make up the largest proportion of any other ug), you don't need to decribe the student body for me. how do you think students get to the point where they can teach themselves? i doubt very many people at harvard were born with that innate ability and/or would have developed it without the help of their good schooling.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: gopunk
i'd be more inclined to believe you if you had some kind of substantive support.

regardless of the details though, the student body would be a lot smaller. there's a lot of bright students at harvard, but i really doubt that most of them would be there if it weren't for their privileged backgrounds. and the students that would be able to overcome bad schools are probably the ones that can find their way to some good college, so you wouldn't really add much to the student body through that.

Yes, a privileged background plays a role, but not so much the formal education, but the way the kid is raised is the most important role.

You'd probably see a striking similarity of the way Harvard bound students are raised, not only with the upper upper classes, but also with the upper middle class ones. Even parents of Harvard bound students in the upper middle class category probably have a lot of in common with the upper upper class parents.

But if a student cannot overcome a bad school, they weren't Harvard material to begin with.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Ooooooold news.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: gopunk
i'd be more inclined to believe you if you had some kind of substantive support.

regardless of the details though, the student body would be a lot smaller. there's a lot of bright students at harvard, but i really doubt that most of them would be there if it weren't for their privileged backgrounds. and the students that would be able to overcome bad schools are probably the ones that can find their way to some good college, so you wouldn't really add much to the student body through that.

Yes, a privileged background plays a role, but not so much the formal education, but the way the kid is raised is the most important role.

You'd probably see a striking similarity of the way Harvard bound students are raised, not only with the upper upper classes, but also with the upper middle class ones. Even parents of Harvard bound students in the upper middle class category probably have a lot of in common with the upper upper class parents.

But if a student cannot overcome a bad school, they weren't Harvard material to begin with.

sorry, but you're just making too many unfounded assertions. i'm not going to just sit here and post dueling opinions... let me know when you come up with something conclusive.

you would see a striking similarity, but do you think there are many students who have the type of parent that would raise them to be a "best student" but still remain in a crappy school? that kind of parent would get their kid into a halfway-decent school asap... certainly there are exceptional cases, such as one where there are no decent schools in the entire region, but i would think very few parents in those areas would have the resources to invest the time needed, and if they did, they would have moved out of the area.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: gopunk
i'd be more inclined to believe you if you had some kind of substantive support.

regardless of the details though, the student body would be a lot smaller. there's a lot of bright students at harvard, but i really doubt that most of them would be there if it weren't for their privileged backgrounds. and the students that would be able to overcome bad schools are probably the ones that can find their way to some good college, so you wouldn't really add much to the student body through that.

Yes, a privileged background plays a role, but not so much the formal education, but the way the kid is raised is the most important role.

You'd probably see a striking similarity of the way Harvard bound students are raised, not only with the upper upper classes, but also with the upper middle class ones. Even parents of Harvard bound students in the upper middle class category probably have a lot of in common with the upper upper class parents.

But if a student cannot overcome a bad school, they weren't Harvard material to begin with.

I think it depends on what you consider to be a "Harvard-quality student". If they are like the protagonists from Good Will Hunting and Finding Forrester, then yes, they could very well transcend their underprivileged environments. However, I have a feeling such people are few and far between.