Harvard study finds NO bias against blacks in police shootings

[IBMer]

if it doesn't fit the message we must ignore.

Please find me a single case where a black man only got 6 months for raping a heavily drugged woman in an alley.

 

[werepossum]

One final point: this study adjusted for virtually every variable to find no bias in shootings. Two BIG factors in police shootings are beligerance and non-compliance. Yet these do not exist in a vacuum. If one perceives that due to factors beyond one's control, one is being unfairly treated by police - which this study found to be the case, if nothing near as strongly as is commonly believed - then one is likely to be quite angry at police, and anger makes people behave less rationally. So while the study quite properly adjusts for behavior, the bias found also affects that behavior.

Okay, two final points. Evidently the police have become much better behaved as far as wrongfully shooting black people. With the widespread use of body cams, perhaps we now can extend that down to roughing them up. Every case of resisting arrest and use of police force should be subject to a cursory review of the body cam evidence, preferably with police management and civilian advocate together. This isn't just for the benefit of black civilians, it's also for the benefit of police: When the public doesn't feel like you are an oppressor, they are more likely to cooperate, less likely to escalate to violence, and less likely to shoot you first.

 

[michal1980]

Please find me a single case where a black man only got 6 months for raping a heavily drugged woman in an alley.

and that has what to do with the topic at hand?


just trying to divert.

 

[werepossum]

i have often wondered if the race of the cops more closely matched the areas they patrolled, if it would have an effect in negating some of these issues

I'm not sure we need to go that far, but I would very much like to get them back to walking a beat, where they interact with the public and know them. Right now the cops cruise by and only interact to stop and frisk someone or arrest them. Many blacks in poor neighborhoods don't see cops as protectors, but as oppressors. When cops do not know the people they are policing, it's hard to not develop an us versus them attitude, on both sides.

 

[agent00f]

You obviously don't understand numbers.

based on records blacks are harassed physically by cops 18% more. But the public generally thinks that the number is almost 10x larger.

But like like a good liberal, reality isn't bad enough, we must exaggerate the problem 10 fold.

1. Understanding numbers implies knowing what normalized means.

2. Reading comprehension implies reading the comment you replied to which further recommends that you read the part of the article on the discrepancy in self-reporting by the police.

But I suppose no one would ever accuse you of being a good reader or with numbers, so seems this here is the extent of the discussion.

 

[jackstar7]

Not surprising to see the SQWs coming in hard for this thread.

Though I say hard, the reality is that they are, of course, mostly impotent.

 

[michal1980]

1. Understanding numbers implies knowing what normalized means.

2. Reading comprehension implies reading the comment you replied to which further recommends that you read the part of the article on the discrepancy in self-reporting by the police.

But I suppose no one would ever accuse you of being a good reader or with numbers, so seems this here is the extent of the discussion.

1) you don't like the numbers so they must be wrong, and everyone else is stupid.

or better put once again your post is nothing more then 'derp derp derp'

 

[michal1980]

i have often wondered if the race of the cops more closely matched the areas they patrolled, if it would have an effect in negating some of these issues

or just listen to the black panthers. and take over a few states and make a country within a country.

Just go for total segregation. White people can live with white people, black with black. etc etc.

sounds like utopia./s

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...sive-new-black-panther-leader-country-within/

 

[agent00f]

1) you don't like the numbers so they must be wrong, and everyone else is stupid.

or better put once again your post is nothing more then 'derp derp derp'

There's an objective difference between making a coherent argument and whatever it is that you do, even if that distinction passes over you.

This is like when teachers used to mark your answers down, and you would argue your numbers like 2+2=22 were just as good as their 'derp derp derp' ones where a 4 magically appears.

 

[michal1980]

There's an objective difference between making a coherent argument and whatever it is that you do, even if that distinction passes over you.

This is like when teachers used to mark your answers down, and you would argue your numbers like 2+2=22 were just as good as their 'derp derp derp' ones where a 4 magically appears.

I'm so sorry you keep talking about yourself and how stupid you are.

But then again only an isis loving troll like yourself joins a forum, and manages hundreds of posts in P/N in just one month.

Hope the RN comes back to refill your feeding tube, better hope mommy keeps paying the bill.

 

[IGBT]

With liberalism reality and the truth are optional. They will want yet another "study" with findings that conform to the liberal agenda / sound bites / action lines.

 

[brycejones]

I'm so sorry you keep talking about yourself and how stupid you are.

Hope the RN comes back to refill your feeding tube, better hope mommy keeps paying the bill.

Man that is a lot of very specific projection in that post.

 

[Blue_Max]

i have often wondered if the race of the cops more closely matched the areas they patrolled, if it would have an effect in negating some of these issues

That info has been passed around dozens of times already. The police generally do, simply because of the local pool of people from which to hire.
Also, black police have proven more likely to shoot black offenders. No answer to "why" yet, as most won't answer such a question for fear of losing their jobs. :\

 

[agent00f]

I'm so sorry you keep talking about yourself and how stupid you are.

But then again only an isis loving troll like yourself joins a forum, and manages hundreds of posts in P/N in just one month.

Hope the RN comes back to refill your feeding tube, better hope mommy keeps paying the bill.

I'm genuinely curious what experiences in life left you with the conclusion that that you're the smart one.

 

[someEEguy]

This really surprised me. A Harvard study finds that there IS a racial bias in how quickly officers resort to hands-on non-lethal force with blacks, but finds NO bias against blacks in police shootings. In fact, an unarmed man not attacking the officer is more likely to be shot by police if he's white than if he's black.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/study-finds-no-bias-in-cops-use-of-lethal-force.html



Besides the caveats inserted by the ever-liberal New York Magazine, it seems the take-away here is that blacks make up a plurality of suspects shot because they have way more interactions with police. That brings to mind two points. The first, on which NYMag touches, is that there may be a LOT of communities with more in common with Ferguson than we suspect, communities where the local government sees its citizens as sheep to be sheared for financial gain. That would be in line with the explosion of confiscation without charges; it might be easier to get $100k by confiscating two $50k Mercedes, but it's a much more sure thing to get it by confiscating fifty $2k automobiles, since the guy driving a car which will bring two grand at auction probably has no political power and can't afford a lawyer to fight it.

The second that springs to my mind is enforcement of the plethora of minor laws, a la Eric Garner. Blacks are less likely to be caught speeding but far more likely to be pulled over for broken tail lights, missing mirrors, etc., not to mention things like illegally selling single cigarettes or simple possession. More encounters = more chances for something to go pear-shaped = more of a sense of persecution = more hostility toward cops during a stop = more chance to be shot.

So maybe instead of fixing the cops per se, we need to be fixing higher higher, so that they are tasked more with solving murders and robberies and burglaries and less with enforcing penny ante bullshit.

Just wanted to add; more frequent (relative to population) police-black civilian interactions alone (ignoring mental state), will result in disproportionate police killings of unarmed black civilians. In the same way buying multiple lottery tickets (i.e. interactions) will increases your chances of “winning”, albeit “winning” in this case equals death.

Combine that with the use of non-lethal force biases (per interaction)…. Unmitigated community relations nightmare.

 

[michal1980]

Just wanted to add; more frequent (relative to population) police-black civilian interactions alone (ignoring mental state), will result in disproportionate police killings of unarmed black civilians. In the same way buying multiple lottery tickets (i.e. interactions) will increases your chances of “winning”, albeit “winning” in this case equals death.

Combine that with the use of non-lethal force biases (per interaction)…. Unmitigated community relations nightmare.

way to miss the point, so lets make it simple.

If you are white you are more likely to be shot by a cop, then if you are black.


If you are black you are more likely to roughed up by a cop, then if you are white.

 

[boomerang]

Well, I guess the terrorist organization that calls themselves BLM will fold based on this information.

 

[someEEguy]

If you are white you are more likely to be shot by a cop, then if you are black.


If you are black you are more likely to roughed up by a cop, then if you are white.

Per interaction, Yes. But whites and blacks don't have the same rates of police interaction.

This study does not contradict the statistics in past studies, what it does is help understand them better. What this study combined with past statistics suggest, is police don’t fatally shoot unarmed black men at disproportionate rates because that is what they set out to do; but rather purely a product of initiating more frequent interactions with members of the community in question (this also explains the marijuana arrest discrepancies).

vs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/

And to fill in the missing pieces in the above (as pointed out earlier):

A Pattern of Suspicion (21:56-24:04 in particular but the whole thing really)

 

[FerrelGeek]

Please find me a single case where a black man only got 6 months for raping a heavily drugged woman in an alley.

You do realize, don't you, that the case you cited sparked national outrage. White people thought this was outrageous as well. The judge should be physically thrown out on the street for such an utterly stupid decision.

 

[werepossum]

Per interaction, Yes. But whites and blacks don't have the same rates of police interaction.

This study does not contradict the statistics in past studies, what it does is help understand them better. What this study combined with past statistics suggest, is police don’t fatally shoot unarmed black men at disproportionate rates because that is what they set out to do; but rather purely by happenstance of initiating more frequent interactions with members of the community in question (this also explains the marijuana arrest discrepancies).

That and the nature of the interactions - you are much more likely to be shot if caught committing a crime, running from the cops, or acting belligerently. At least the last and arguably the second are affected by the nature and frequency of interactions as well.

 

[piasabird]

In Ferguson, MO the Black protesters actually treated the Black police officers worse simply because they were Black. They considered them like Uncle Toms or traitors to their race. So when the community says how come there are not more Black Police officers, they are just blowing smoke.

The people in Ferguson have tried to recruit more black people to be police officers but most people either are not interested or dont meet the requirements to be a police officer. You have to be in good physical shape, Pass a drug test, pass a criminal background check and a Psych evaluation.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Here's the thoughts of a black policeman who works in a predominantly black neighborhood.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07...sty-and-every-american-needs-to-see-it-363067

 

[werepossum]

Here's the thoughts of a black policeman who works in a predominantly black neighborhood.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07...sty-and-every-american-needs-to-see-it-363067

Wow. That's hard to read.

This is the result of a media that makes every white-kills-black case a major story whilst hiding and/or sanitizing black-kills-white cases.

 

[PokerGuy]

This is what happens when the media drives a narrative rather than present the information (reasonably close to) objectively. Everything gets distorted to suit the narrative, and pretty soon it's impossible to have a rational conversation about the issue because the picture has been distorted into oblivion by the media and their lefty corporate allies (google, facebook, twitter etc).

 

[jackstar7]

This is what happens when the media drives a narrative rather than present the information (reasonably close to) objectively. Everything gets distorted to suit the narrative, and pretty soon it's impossible to have a rational conversation about the issue because the picture has been distorted into oblivion by the media and their lefty corporate allies (google, facebook, twitter etc).

The persecution is strong in this SQW.