Harvard study says fluoride in the water is killing us

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She buys gallons of water to wash her dishes in and will flip shit if you use tap water on her stuff. I am serious, she opens up a gallon and makes a thing of dishwater with it and will wash all of her dishes in it.
Why are you living with a nutcase?
 

UglyCasanova

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She buys gallons of water to wash her dishes in and will flip shit if you use tap water on her stuff. I am serious, she opens up a gallon and makes a thing of dishwater with it and will wash all of her dishes in it.

wow. Sounds like she is going to make someone very happy some day...
 

Broheim

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Better than cavities.

I have extremely mild flourosis, only a few white spots, but it has still left my teeth fairly brittle, I've chipped many teeth in bar fights over the years.

I'd rather just brush my teeth properly.

edit: just to clarify, when i've chipped a tooth it's always been in an area affected by flourosis, not the healthy enamel.
 
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amyklai

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So the Roman Empire fell because of lead poisoning and the American Empire is set to fall because of flouridation?
 

Blain

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1. Fluoride can be filtered out of your incoming water supply.
2. I'd have well water tested for contamination before I'd feel safer drinking it over municipal tap water. Simply because it's coming out of the ground doesn't mean it's good.
3. Dental fluoride treatments only last a few minutes in the dentists office rather than low doses over many years.


CDC: Types of Fluoride Additives...
"Fluorosilicic acid: a water-based solution used by most water fluoridation programs in the United States.
Fluorosilicic acid is also referred to as hydrofluorosilicate, FSA, or HFS.
Sodium fluorosilicate: a dry additive, dissolved into a solution before being added to water.
Sodium fluoride: a dry additive, typically used in small water systems, dissolved into a solution before being added to water."

Mmm... Reading MSDS on these chemicals makes me thirsty.
 
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TridenT

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lol a study done in China...

Yeah, ok, I'm going to believe this study for sure.
 

mpo

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Good reason to drink well water.
That seems to be the problem in parts of rural China. The geological conditions concentrate fluoride in the water supply system.
Multiple epidemiological studies of developmental fluoride neurotoxicity were conducted in China because of the high fluoride concentrations that are substantially above 1 mg/L in well water in many rural communities, although microbiologically safe water has been accessible to many rural households as a result of the recent 5-year plan (2001–2005) by the Chinese government.
Some of the places they were looking at had high fluoride concentration because of contamination of water supplies because of coal burning.

Both can be found in the report: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ehp.1104912.pdf

Some of the areas had 10 to 30 times the upper bound of fluoride concentration typically found in the US water supply (at least according to the paper).
 

SheHateMe

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What's the reasoning behind this? Did she grow up next to Chernobyl?


She just thinks she's healthier than the next person is all. She's a health nut and will spend all her time in the kitchen cooking shit from FoodNetwork and telling us about how we shouldn't eat red meat.


Why are you living with a nutcase?

Trying to keep rent low + college student.


And I havent even told you about her organic food yet!
 

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Most bottled water (well, mineral, spring, filtered except for distilled) is fluoridated, whether organic or inorganically. The sodium fluoride added to most municipalities' water supply is sourced as a waste product of the aluminum industry, ALCOA.

Therefore I use a gravity-fed stainless steel Berkey filtering system with a black carbon filter and white PF-2 fluoride filter. The Crown Berkey holds around six-gallons or a week's worth of water for two. Scrub the black filters under cold running water -- every few weeks -- and they last an extremely long time.
 
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eldorado99

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That seems to be the problem in parts of rural China. The geological conditions concentrate fluoride in the water supply system.

Some of the places they were looking at had high fluoride concentration because of contamination of water supplies because of coal burning.

Both can be found in the report: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ehp.1104912.pdf

Some of the areas had 10 to 30 times the upper bound of fluoride concentration typically found in the US water supply (at least according to the paper).
Good reason to not live in China.
 

bradley

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I believe skeletal fluorosis is highest in China (and India) where several million people suffer from the most severe form: a crippling calcification and fusion of bone, ligaments and tendons. Countries with prolific volcanic activity also have higher rates of fluorosis. Eventually the bones become denser while losing overall strength.

This process of can be somewhat reverse by supplementing with kelp (as a source of iodine,) and bones-teeth remineralized using magnesium, vitamin K2 and D3.
 

Pohemi

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Most bottled water (well, mineral, spring, filtered except for distilled) is fluoridated, whether organic or inorganically. The sodium fluoride added to most municipalities' water supply is sourced as a waste product of the aluminum industry, ALCOA.

Therefore I use a gravity-fed stainless steel Berkey filtering system with a black carbon filter and white PF-2 fluoride filter. The Crown Berkey holds around six-gallons or a week's worth of water for two. Scrub the black filters under cold running water -- every few weeks -- and they last an extremely long time.

This is the best solution if you want pure, unfluoridated water.

The majority of bottled water comes from a select few companies such as Nestle, and is taken from municipal sources. They repackage it under numerous names according to what region it will be sold in.
 

SP33Demon

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Most bottled water (well, mineral, spring, filtered except for distilled) is fluoridated, whether organic or inorganically. The sodium fluoride added to most municipalities' water supply is sourced as a waste product of the aluminum industry, ALCOA.

Therefore I use a gravity-fed stainless steel Berkey filtering system with a black carbon filter and white PF-2 fluoride filter. The Crown Berkey holds around six-gallons or a week's worth of water for two. Scrub the black filters under cold running water -- every few weeks -- and they last an extremely long time.

Ok, and how much is this system going to cost? Sounds like a lot of effort just for very low levels of fluoride in our water.
 

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I have extremely mild flourosis, only a few white spots, but it has still left my teeth fairly brittle, I've chipped many teeth in bar fights over the years.

I'd rather just brush my teeth properly.

edit: just to clarify, when i've chipped a tooth it's always been in an area affected by flourosis, not the healthy enamel.

I didn't think your country flouridated water? Do you know how you got the flourosis? Quite honestly, I've never noticed people in the US having flourosis.

One thing to keep in mind with this study though is that it was conducted in China in areas of higher flouride levels. The dangers of flouride has always been talked about but I still haven't heard of a study that is able to show that the levels of flouride added to drinking water are high enough for these problems to occur. The US has been flouridating for entire lifetimes now but not every water source in the US is flouridated so I would expect there to be plenty of communities that can be cross examined to see if the flouridation caused any statistical problems.
 
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This is the best solution if you want pure, unfluoridated water.

The majority of bottled water comes from a select few companies such as Nestle, and is taken from municipal sources. They repackage it under numerous names according to what region it will be sold in.

Yup, A company that did this opened up shop down the street from me when I was ~12. Was in business for a few years until the city shut them down because they were violating drought water use restrictions.
 

Broheim

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I didn't think your country flouridated water? Do you know how you got the flourosis? Quite honestly, I've never noticed people in the US having flourosis.

One thing to keep in mind with this study though is that it was conducted in China in areas of higher flouride levels. The dangers of flouride has always been talked about but I still haven't heard of a study that is able to show that the levels of flouride added to drinking water are high enough for these problems to occur. The US has been flouridating for entire lifetimes now but not every water source in the US is flouridated so I would expect there to be plenty of communities that can be cross examined to see if the flouridation caused any statistical problems.

no they don't flouridate the water, there's just plenty of it already present in our groundwater ( well within safety limits though).

I have no idea how I got flourosis, my dentist tells me that there are so many different sources that it's impossible to identify the culprit. I just know I have it, although people never notice it (it's a very, very mild case).
 
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TridenT

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no they don't flouridate the water, there's just plenty of it already present in our groundwater ( well within safety limits though).

I have no idea how I got flourosis, my dentist tells me that there are so many different sources that it's impossible to identify the culprit. I just know I have it, although people never notice it (it's a very, very mild case).

You can also get it from brushing your teeth with toothpaste...
 

Gintaras

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Great, another reason our roommate will find to ban us from washing her glasses with tap water and filling the fridge up with bottled water so that nobody can have food in there.

I guess, there a lot of pretty dumb people who believe that some guy in mountains are filling plastic bottles with a water, with a magic water, safe to drink water...
And that guy loads Poland Spring trucks with a plastic bottles filled with spring water...

Some can't just grow up from Mickey Mouse children stories....
 

Jeff7

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She just thinks she's healthier than the next person is all. She's a health nut and will spend all her time in the kitchen cooking shit from FoodNetwork and telling us about how we shouldn't eat red meat.
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Huh....yeah, I wonder what she'd say about that whole regulations issue? Thankfully, we've got loads of regulations in this country to ensure that your tap water won't kill you or make you sick, which is something of a luxury to have, compared to most of the world's population.

So then you take that tap water and pass it through processes that have to meet less-rigorous regulations...and that somehow guarantees that it's going to be better.

A saying I've heard: "People do what's inspected, not what's expected." Think you can get something dangerous past any manner of inspection? Go for it, especially if it's in your benefit.

No inspectors to worry about? Buyer beware.

I wonder what she thinks about the diesel fuel that needs to be burned in order to transport the water to a nearby store, and the gasoline used to bring it home from there? Or the manufacture of the plastic used in the bottles?
I'd suggest getting something like a Brita filter, but it occurs to me that I don't know what kinds of regulations govern that sort of product. I guess it depends on what the box label says. After all, we can sell things like copper bracelets and homeopathic "medicines" in this country, which offer nothing more than a placebo effect, as long as they've got the "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." notification somewhere on the bottle.


"Brita! Filters and purifies water!*"

* This product may or may not be capable of filtering or purifying water. Your continued patronage amuses our lawyers.
 

xanis

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Great, another reason our roommate will find to ban us from washing her glasses with tap water and filling the fridge up with bottled water so that nobody can have food in there.

Has your friend never heard of a Brita filter?
 

GTaudiophile

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I can tell you that the Germans don't put it in their water. Being the case, I doubt rest of the EU countries do either.
 
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