Harvard study says fluoride in the water is killing us

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Seems like it's pollution leading to high fluoride levels (in addition to what's there naturally in some Chinese ground water) and not just what the small amount the government puts in. Nothing to stop pollution from infiltrating your ground water and causing the same problems.
 

waggy

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Seems like it's pollution leading to high fluoride levels (in addition to what's there naturally in some Chinese ground water) and not just what the small amount the government puts in. Nothing to stop pollution from infiltrating your ground water and causing the same problems.

shrug.

we are on well water. we have it tested every few years. I live in a farming area and its healthy to drink.

considering t here has been farming for hundreds of years in this area i am not to worried.

We do have a RO system though. the water coming out is clear and taste like bottled water.

though i am going to change the RO system we have. it's a system by bottled water place adn they are killing me on filters. $120 a year is insane
 
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She buys gallons of water to wash her dishes in and will flip shit if you use tap water on her stuff. I am serious, she opens up a gallon and makes a thing of dishwater with it and will wash all of her dishes in it.

Have her watch "Tapped" on Netflix streaming. Very good doc on bottled water etc.
 

Nintendesert

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http://www.disasterstuff.com/store/pc/Big-Berkey-with-Purifier-or-Filter-Options-20p65.htm


You know, that's actually not that expensive if it does indeed give you years of good use. Not bad to have a way to filter your water in case of power outage or storms. The costs of buying bottled water I would bet add up pretty quick. $320ish with fluoride filters and some spare parts.

Someone that drinks only bottled water would spend that much in a few months let a lone a few years and have inferior quality though I haven't done the math yet!
 

waggy

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http://www.disasterstuff.com/store/pc/Big-Berkey-with-Purifier-or-Filter-Options-20p65.htm


You know, that's actually not that expensive if it does indeed give you years of good use. Not bad to have a way to filter your water in case of power outage or storms. The costs of buying bottled water I would bet add up pretty quick. $320ish with fluoride filters and some spare parts.

Someone that drinks only bottled water would spend that much in a few months let a lone a few years and have inferior quality though I haven't done the math yet!



bottled water is cheap if you go to those fill up stations or buy it in bulk. When we lived in town we drank only bottled water.

Dekalb had been sued a few times over how bad the water was. i couldn't drink it and after reading about the lawsuits we switched to bottled only for drinking.

we would get bottled water delivered for drinking. we paid (roughly 15 years ago mind you) roughy $20 a month for 3 5 gallon jugs.
 

Nintendesert

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bottled water is cheap if you go to those fill up stations or buy it in bulk. When we lived in town we drank only bottled water.

Dekalb had been sued a few times over how bad the water was. i couldn't drink it and after reading about the lawsuits we switched to bottled only for drinking.

we would get bottled water delivered for drinking. we paid (roughly 15 years ago mind you) roughy $20 a month for 3 5 gallon jugs.



I'd have to factor in driving and gas for myself though. I don't exactly live in the city. That adds up quick too.
 

Fritzo

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As long as we're still fighting off Cavity Creeps! THEY MAKE HOLES IN TEETH!

 

airdata

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Alex Jones is bat shit crazy but he's right about some things. How scary is that?

 

PingSpike

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I don't know about the validity of these studies one way or the other but the idea of mass introducing a chemical into the water supply to combat an issue as insignificant as tooth decay always struck me as lunacy.
 

lk2500

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You really have to drink a lot of tap water to get a harmful level of flouride.

A bigger source of flouride most people don't know about is tea. Tea leeches fluoride from the environment. Darker tea has more than green and bagged tea has more than loose leaves. So, if you are boiling tap water and making black tea from a bag you are ingesting quite a bit of flouride. (Boiling does not remove fluoride so the more water boils away to steam the higher the concentration of flouride).

Of course, tea is quite healthy in moderation, just saying.....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100714104059.htm
http://melisann.hubpages.com/hub/Fl...and-Green-Tea-Tea-Health-Benefits-and-Dangers
 
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crashtestdummy

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Two things to note: As others have said, this meta-study was looking at cases where drinking water was contaminated with excessively high amounts of fluoride. Second, their claim is that it lowers IQ by half a point. They proclaim this result to be significant within their confidence interval, but that seems like an almost meaninglessly small amount.
 

Born2bwire

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no they don't flouridate the water, there's just plenty of it already present in our groundwater ( well within safety limits though).

I have no idea how I got flourosis, my dentist tells me that there are so many different sources that it's impossible to identify the culprit. I just know I have it, although people never notice it (it's a very, very mild case).

Interesting, I didn't know that Danish drinking water had levels of flouride in it. It's been mentioned previously but tea can be a source of flouride. I have heard of areas, like in Tibet, where people can consume such large quantities of tea as to get flourosis and other flouride related ailments.
 

JimKiler

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Such a shame... shoulda drank soda instead. You wouldn't have had those problems.

Actually i drank too much of that and they thought I was bulimic because of the acid erosion of my teeth. My parents did not limit my pop intake as a kid.
 

ChambersMonroe

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I think fluorosis can only happen to you when your teeth are actually being produced "ie when you're a child". Since when do children drink water?
 

Broheim

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I think fluorosis can only happen to you when your teeth are actually being produced "ie when you're a child". Since when do children drink water?

it happens when you absorb too much flouride as you're forming the enemal, so yes, it happens when you're a kid.
 

Micrornd

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Interesting that everyone here seems to think fluoride in drinking water is such a huge health risk.

Apparently the WHO and many govts. have done an excellent job of covering up statistics of the cancer rates where chlorine is used as a disinfectant in water, compared to where it is not used.

Strange how studies that indicate a problem with someone deciding what is "best" for the masses, can become "lost" to the general public.

Here, in the States, chlorine has been used since the 1900s to disinfect water, and reached general use in almost all of the municipal water supplies by the late 40's to early 50's.
Have a look at the rate of increased cases of cancer of all types since 1900 in the US vs the use of chlorine in municipal water supplies.
Interesting set of curves.

Currently 94%+ municipalities in the US use chlorine in either gas or liquid form to "disinfect" drinking water.

And don't forget, it's not just "drinking water" that is the problem.
You bathe (soaking and absorbing through your skin) and showering (absorbing through the skin and inhaling fumes directly from the outgassing of hot water, and you wondered why hot water smelled different than cold).

Chlorine is, has, and will be continued to be used because it is the cheapest way to "disinfect" water, even though it is not 100% effective or the safest.

Chlorine has been listed (in all it's forms) as a known carcinogen since the early 30's in almost all "developed" countries worldwide.

Remember, with chlorinated water, we're not talking toxic shock or mass exposure, but long term low level exposure on a continuous basis.

Studies (legitimate and unbiased) on flourides in water are ambivilant at best and depending on where your drinking water is sourced from, the naturally occurring flourides in the water may be as high or even higher than those injected.

For the record, I am against fluoride injection in municipal water supplies and have a private well.
I have been constructing state, county, municipal, and private water treatment facilities for over 37 years, so trust me when I tell you, fluoride injection is not what you should be worried about.

(Just for fun, you might also try to find the studies that were done on the incidence of "hard" water vs kidney stones, if you want something else to worry about)
 

Nintendesert

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Interesting that everyone here seems to think fluoride in drinking water is such a huge health risk.

Apparently the WHO and many govts. have done an excellent job of covering up statistics of the cancer rates where chlorine is used as a disinfectant in water, compared to where it is not used.

Strange how studies that indicate a problem with someone deciding what is "best" for the masses, can become "lost" to the general public.

Here, in the States, chlorine has been used since the 1900s to disinfect water, and reached general use in almost all of the municipal water supplies by the late 40's to early 50's.
Have a look at the rate of increased cases of cancer of all types since 1900 in the US vs the use of chlorine in municipal water supplies.
Interesting set of curves.

Currently 94%+ municipalities in the US use chlorine in either gas or liquid form to "disinfect" drinking water.

And don't forget, it's not just "drinking water" that is the problem.
You bathe (soaking and absorbing through your skin) and showering (absorbing through the skin and inhaling fumes directly from the outgassing of hot water, and you wondered why hot water smelled different than cold).

Chlorine is, has, and will be continued to be used because it is the cheapest way to "disinfect" water, even though it is not 100% effective or the safest.

Chlorine has been listed (in all it's forms) as a known carcinogen since the early 30's in almost all "developed" countries worldwide.

Remember, with chlorinated water, we're not talking toxic shock or mass exposure, but long term low level exposure on a continuous basis.

Studies (legitimate and unbiased) on flourides in water are ambivilant at best and depending on where your drinking water is sourced from, the naturally occurring flourides in the water may be as high or even higher than those injected.

For the record, I am against fluoride injection in municipal water supplies and have a private well.
I have been constructing state, county, municipal, and private water treatment facilities for over 37 years, so trust me when I tell you, fluoride injection is not what you should be worried about.

(Just for fun, you might also try to find the studies that were done on the incidence of "hard" water vs kidney stones, if you want something else to worry about)




WHAAA WHAAA.


Look at how many deaths from contaminated water and water born diseases vs. how many you claim are caused by chlorine. If you're that afraid of chlorine go buy one of those carbon filters linked earlier in the thread or leave a pitcher of it on your table over night.
 

destrekor

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I guess, there a lot of pretty dumb people who believe that some guy in mountains are filling plastic bottles with a water, with a magic water, safe to drink water...
And that guy loads Poland Spring trucks with a plastic bottles filled with spring water...

Some can't just grow up from Mickey Mouse children stories....

And yet there are plenty of such waters that actually are from natural springs or wells (sometimes artesian) tapping into large aquifers.

Yes, there are plenty of falsely-advertised bottled waters. But there are plenty of correctly advertised.


No, it's unlikely anyone bottles directly at the source, especially not by hand. But they do capture large production volumes there and bottle it directly from capture/storage/transport.
 

Broheim

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And yet there are plenty of such waters that actually are from natural springs or wells (sometimes artesian) tapping into large aquifers.

Yes, there are plenty of falsely-advertised bottled waters. But there are plenty of correctly advertised.


No, it's unlikely anyone bottles directly at the source, especially not by hand. But they do capture large production volumes there and bottle it directly from capture/storage/transport.

back in the 70s they used to bottle water "from the tab" where my grandparents lived and ship it to copenhagen (it wasn't until 2009 that copenhagen got with the times and stopped putting chlorine in the water supply), the water was all pumped from the aquifer so in a sense it was springwater.

I also learned a new word today: aquitard...
 
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