Has anyone else noticed pizza quality has hit rock bottom?

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Ns1

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Uh, there's not much to making pizza crust. It's flour, yeast, a pinch of salt, and some olive oil. It's like $.50 in ingredients.

- An 8oz bag of shreaded italian cheeses is like $2.
- A can of tomato sauce is $.50
- Random seasonings work out to be a couple cents
- Pepperoni is $2
- Mushrooms $.50
- Black olives $.50

yeah but how many people have the proper oven to cook a proper pizza?
 

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yeah but how many people have the proper oven to cook a proper pizza?

That really doesn't make a difference between a $13 pizza and a $5 pizza made at home. I've only been to about 3 restaurants ever that had a true fire baked oven.

When I make my own at home a cast iron skillet in an oven is just fine for me.
 

DrPizza

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Looks like the ATOT pizza snobs are checking in, right on schedule.

Sorry I'm late! I'm here now though.

I've had all sorts of pizza all over the world, and at least with respect to chain pizzas, I can't think of one that I couldn't eat and be relatively happy. Are there better pizzas? Sure, but I love pizza so much that just about any chain pizza will suffice in a pinch.

Seriously, these pizza threads (actually, any chain restaurant thread) make me laugh. It is cool to hate on the big restaurants/chains around here and that's all there is to it. I suppose I shouldn't laugh too much, because I AM a beer snob and cringe when I see people drinking any Coors product, for example.

Exactly - Coors will do in a pinch. But if you look at ratings of the top beers in the world, they're generally not made by the big conglomerates. As far as pizza goes, you can't mass produce a high quality product that tastes the same from location to location.

Another new englander talking about how only de best pizza pies made in New York.

When a region takes pride in a certain product, you'll find that the people work a little harder to make a higher quality product. They have to. Because they're going to be compared to the best pizza in the area on a regular basis by the locals. And, regionally, you'll find differing numbers of pizza restaurants. Pizza restaurants per capita: (sorry, the best I could find. None of the pizza industry trade publications seem to be online.)


When pizza is eaten less often, the people in that geographic area tend to not be quite as picky about it. Chain pizza is "good enough." And, no matter what, prominent advertising, coupons sent out, etc., are still going to attract pizza, no matter how crappy the chain pizza is. Domino's pretty much hammers this point with their own admission that their old pizza recipe sucked. (They even say so in a commercial) - thus, people will simply order delivery pizza out of convenience, not because of the quality. That's Domino's niche - pizza delivered to your door. And, in regions where convenience pizza dominates the market, people don't have much to compare it to, thus are largely ignorant of what a really good quality pizza is.

I occasionally work in a pizza restaurant in a nearby small city. 2009 population was just a hair over 14,000. But, that city has 3 chain pizza shops (Dominos, Pizza Hut, Little Caesars), on top of those, there are 8 restaurants that specialize in pizza, not to mention all the other places you can pick up a pizza ready to go (most (all?) of our grocery stores cook pizza in their deli departments.) I worked there yesterday. It was a pretty slow and boring day. The volume of pizza sold would serve about 700-800 people - 5 percent plus of the local population (not including all the other food sold such as subs and chicken wings.) On a busy day, that figure jumps to triple that amount.

I can't recall working a day where we didn't have at least one customer come in from out of town and say something to the effect of "I'm back in the area visiting <relative> - I'm from down in <state> now. I really wish there were places like this there. You can't get good pizza there." Every fucking day there are customers from out of town complaining about the shitty pizza from where they currently live. See the blue and yellow areas on that map above? Invariably, they're living in those areas. Rarely does someone complain who lives in the red area.

Ditto for another regional favorite - Buffalo style chicken wings. You can get chicken wings all over the country now. You can get chicken wings in just about any restaurant around here too. And, in at least half of the places, the quality of wings is nearly identical to the wings you'd get anywhere else in the country. But, ask a local "where can you get the best wings around here?" Try the wings at the 2 or 3 locations that are recommended - you won't find that quality of wings elsewhere in the country.

Roast beef sandwiches? Forget it. Outside of western NY, you cannot get a sandwich of the quality served by the best beef on weck restaurants in our region. Nothing compares.
 
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I dont eat at national chain pizzas anymore. Around here we have Minsky's Pizza, D'Bronx, Pizza Shoppe, and another one whose name is slipping my mind at the moment. All far better superior pizzas to the chain crap. Double the price but double the enjoyment. Well maybe quadruple the enjoyment
 

oogabooga

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Chicago Pizza > New York Pizza

I always found this to be silly. I love both - and am in the mood for one or another.

There's a place nearby that sells both Chicago and New York style pizzas in the same place. Unfortunately both are acceptable-mediocre in quality =\
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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That really doesn't make a difference between a $13 pizza and a $5 pizza made at home. I've only been to about 3 restaurants ever that had a true fire baked oven.

When I make my own at home a cast iron skillet in an oven is just fine for me.

meh, to each his own. I'd rather do $20 for a guy to do the whole damn thing proper vs me doing it half assed for $5

AH-OOOOGA! AH-OOOOOGA!
Elitist pizza snob alert!
Elitist Pizza snob alert!
AH-OOOOGA! AH-OOOOOGA!

Sorry I'm late.
 

SunnyD

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I made THREE pizzas last night. From scratch. Total cost including toppings was probably about $15. I can assure you that the quality is top notch.
 

FelixDeCat

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Uh, there's not much to making pizza crust. It's flour, yeast, a pinch of salt, and some olive oil. It's like $.50 in ingredients.

- An 8oz bag of shreaded italian cheeses is like $2.
- A can of tomato sauce is $.50
- Random seasonings work out to be a couple cents
- Pepperoni is $2
- Mushrooms $.50
- Black olives $.50

One day if I ever get the guts I will try this. But if it doesnt come premade and ready to heat and eat, its too much for me.
 

BoberFett

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Little Caesar's is terrible. They were OK back in the late 80s, but their recent resurgence is awful. There is a local place near me though called... wait for it... $5 Pizza. They actually make a decent pie. It's not going to compare to a really good pizza, but for $5 they use pretty good ingredients and I like their crust style. And Papa Murphy's makes a pretty good takeout pizza for a decent price.
 

DougK62

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I think chain pizza has only increased in quality. Pizza Hut and Dominoes are WAY better than they used to be and are cheaper. In fact, they're better than most local pizza shops.
 

DrPizza

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I think chain pizza has only increased in quality. Pizza Hut and Dominoes are WAY better than they used to be and are cheaper. In fact, they're better than most local pizza shops.

Oh Gag. The local pizza hut had a fire that did a little damage. The ended up spending forever remodeling the entire place & changing everything to make it a Pizza Hut/Wing Street. I used to like the pizza at pizza hut for something different & greasy to eat. I could only tolerate it about once or twice a year though. But after they implemented their changes, new recipe, or whatever; went there once for the first time in about 4 years when they reopened just for something different; won't go back. Their parking lot is rarely full.
 

PingSpike

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I eat chain-pizza with a well-done steak and bud-light while reading the bible. And I dont tip the delivery guy because he rides a road bike and the road is for cars only.

Some one has to fight the good fight!
 

slag

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Just got a 14 inch Big Wick from wicks last night with a veggie salad. We get two meals out of this. 34 dollars plus a 6 dollar tip makes 40 bucks for pizza.

But absolutely worth it. If you want quality, then pay for it.


Who is we? Are you talking about yourself and one other, or your family?

The reason I ask is because I have a family of 5 which would probably equate out to 2 pies, plus drinks or maybe just water), which would be $80.00 for just pizza....

Pizza is not fine dining and definitely not worth 80 bucks for a family.
 

slag

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I dont eat at national chain pizzas anymore. Around here we have Minsky's Pizza, D'Bronx, Pizza Shoppe, and another one whose name is slipping my mind at the moment. All far better superior pizzas to the chain crap. Double the price but double the enjoyment. Well maybe quadruple the enjoyment


I really like D'Bronx pizza and my wife digs Pizza Shoppe. Minsky's isnt half bad either.
 

Homerboy

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There are a bunch of still INCREDIBLY good pizzarias (ranging in all styles and price points too) around town here. I have no complaints at all (except that my sister had to close her place down a few years back and it was incrediiiiiiiiiiiiible).
 

OutHouse

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Just got a 14 inch Big Wick from wicks last night with a veggie salad. We get two meals out of this. 34 dollars plus a 6 dollar tip makes 40 bucks for pizza.

But absolutely worth it. If you want quality, then pay for it.


im sorry dude i dont care how good it is i will not shell out 40 bucks for 1 pizza and a salad.

i like papa johns and a good pie from them can be 25 bucks and i have a hard time even with that.
 
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