Has anyone ever studied judo?

BooGiMaN

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There is a school not to far from where I live and have been thinking of signing my kids up they are 5 and 7 years old so they can learn the the fundamentals of self defense, workout and have fun.

Is it a practical art that can be used for self defense?

I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.
 

Josh

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Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
There is a school not to far from where I live and have been thinking of signing my kids up they are 5 and 7 years old so they can learn the the fundamentals of self defense, workout and have fun.

Is it a practical art that can be used for self defense?

I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Starting your kids at the age of 5 and 7 with martial arts is a great idea...and whoever said martial arts would not be effective in a real fight is silly. Anyone who is trained/prepared for ANYTHING is obviously going to stand a better chance in whatever that may be than someone who is not. ESPECIALLY if you start them at such a young age, if they go on to enjoy it and really work hard to learn the art by the time they are teenagers they will have become extremely skilled and I would put my money on them in an everyday street fight against someone who is not equally as trained as your children will be. Now debating which fighting technique is the better one is a whole other discussion.
 

kalrith

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I studied judo for 4-5 months and mixed martial arts for a couple of years. As a self-defense art I think that judo by itself is really lacking. It mainly teaches one-on-one grappling with little to no training in striking or in defending against more than one person. In mixed martial arts, I learned striking and grappling against both individuals and groups. However, it was quite physical, and students had to be at least 18 years of age. I'm not sure if that would be the best setting for 5- and 7-year-olds.

However, judo might be good for your kids. It will help them with balance, agility, coordination, and even self-confidence and be an opportunity to get a decent workout. I went to a really crappy Tae Kwon Do school when I was 11-13 and did not come away with much in the way of self defense. However, I still had fun, and it helped me in the afore-mentioned ways.
 

Josh

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I'd actually reccomend boxing first then maybe moving on to a martial art form. Then again, I box myself and am biased towards the sweet science.
 

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Originally posted by: kalrith
I studied judo for 4-5 months and mixed martial arts for a couple of years. As a self-defense art I think that judo by itself is really lacking. It mainly teaches one-on-one grappling with little to no training in striking or in defending against more than one person. In mixed martial arts, I learned striking and grappling against both individuals and groups. However, it was quite physical, and students had to be at least 18 years of age. I'm not sure if that would be the best setting for 5- and 7-year-olds.

However, judo might be good for your kids. It will help them with balance, agility, coordination, and even self-confidence and be an opportunity to get a decent workout. I went to a really crappy Tae Kwon Do school when I was 11-13 and did not come away with much in the way of self defense. However, I still had fun, and it helped me in the afore-mentioned ways.

bingo. Really, at age 5-7 up to maybe 14 or 15, fighting isnt the main point of taking martial arts, and it shouldnt be. Build up endurance, confidence, and coordination with your kids. I would say go for it.
 

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To the last part of what Josh said - which style is best, really depends on how much time the kids put into it. Some types of martial arts will have the kids better able to defend themselves right off the bat. My personal feeling is that, among the more popular martial arts, tae kwon do gives the kids more defensive skills up front, however, with a few years of training, the other martial arts quickly pass it for effectiveness. edit: and one of my friends took tae chi. I'm convinced that's even better for immediate up front defensive skills. However, FallenHero nailed the most important point. Self-defense isn't the primary reason. And, as they'll (hopefully) learn in any martial art, self-defense doesn't start with the physical act of blocking someone else's punch.
 

Paperdoc

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I took intro judo for maybe 6 months MANY years ago. A good sensei will teach balance and control of yourself, and emaphasize from the start how to do it all safely. That includes protecting yourself in practice and not deliberately hurting other students. They certainly will teach fitness, practice and the importance of devoting time and effort and caring to the task / sport.

Judo teaches people not to try to overpower the opponent, but to use their tendenceis, weaknesses and habits to your advantage. You learn to sense the opponent's moves and try to re-direct their energy where you want, thus augmenting your own efforts. I believe we were told the name translates as, "the gentle way". Even in the short time I was in it, we were taught some rudimentary self-defence applications after leaning the basics. And of course, the first priority was not to get into dangerous positions and fights at all. Like all such training, they emphasize respect for others and the responsibility not to misuse your newly-aquired skills.

Judo is less spectacular and less loud than some other martial arts forms. For that reason it is less popular and maybe not quite as "cool" as others, but it is very effective. It's also a very good starting point for younger people.
 

EvilYoda

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I think judo is great for younger kids as I took it (amongst other forms) for a few years when I was young...it's not very aggressive, it's rather slow and calming and as everyone else has said, the mental and physical benefits are great. If at all possible, take the adult course while they take the kids course or at least sit in on a few sessions.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:
 

gamepad

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.
 

Exterous

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Originally posted by: kalrith
I studied judo for 4-5 months and mixed martial arts for a couple of years. As a self-defense art I think that judo by itself is really lacking. It mainly teaches one-on-one grappling with little to no training in striking or in defending against more than one person. In mixed martial arts, I learned striking and grappling against both individuals and groups. However, it was quite physical, and students had to be at least 18 years of age. I'm not sure if that would be the best setting for 5- and 7-year-olds.

However, judo might be good for your kids. It will help them with balance, agility, coordination, and even self-confidence and be an opportunity to get a decent workout. I went to a really crappy Tae Kwon Do school when I was 11-13 and did not come away with much in the way of self defense. However, I still had fun, and it helped me in the afore-mentioned ways.

I also took judo for quite a while until a severe shoulder injury made me give up almost all upper body exercises for about a year. Besides, you should always try to extricate yourself from the confrontation before it degenerates into a fight.

Judo is more about throws and (as mentioned) grappling as opposed to blocking and striking. It was a great experience and i think any activity that requires discipline is a good activity for children - however for self defense I do not know if it would be my choice
 

kalrith

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Originally posted by: gamepad
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.

Is Brazilian jiu jitsu effective against more than one attacker? In other words, if the afore-mentioned two people had to defend him- or herself against 2-3 attackers, would the Brazilian jiu jitsu or the karate/kung fu be more effective?
 

Jules

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Originally posted by: kalrith
Originally posted by: gamepad
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.

Is Brazilian jiu jitsu effective against more than one attacker? In other words, if the afore-mentioned two people had to defend him- or herself against 2-3 attackers, would the Brazilian jiu jitsu or the karate/kung fu be more effective?
Muay Thai.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: gamepad
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.

That may possibly be true, but I doubt you have any evidence at all to back it up, and anyway it's not the point. The thread is about self defense and 'real fights', which are not usually between trained martial artists.

Many Chinese martial arts are extraorinarily effective, but the one-hit-one-kill techniques they specialise in simply cannot be perfomed in competition, so you're not going to see them tested in the ring are you? In fact you're never going to see any martial art tested fully in the ring. It may not seem like it but competitions like UFC are actually very restrained - you can tell this because all the fights last longer than a fifth of a second, which is about how long it takes to crush someone's windpipe or carotid arteries with the inside of your hand.
 

gamepad

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Originally posted by: kalrith
Originally posted by: gamepad
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.

Is Brazilian jiu jitsu effective against more than one attacker? In other words, if the afore-mentioned two people had to defend him- or herself against 2-3 attackers, would the Brazilian jiu jitsu or the karate/kung fu be more effective?

That is a good point which I will give you credit for. However, I will argue that people defending themselves against multiple attackers using Kung Fu or Karate requires tons of training, and is not an easy feat. Therefore, Kung Fu and Karate lose some practicality points.

I still think Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is more practical.
 

gamepad

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: gamepad
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.

That may possibly be true, but I doubt you have any evidence at all to back it up, and anyway it's not the point. The thread is about self defense and 'real fights', which are not usually between trained martial artists.

Many Chinese martial arts are extraorinarily effective, but the one-hit-one-kill techniques they specialise in simply cannot be perfomed in competition, so you're not going to see them tested in the ring are you? In fact you're never going to see any martial art tested fully in the ring. It may not seem like it but competitions like UFC are actually very restrained - you can tell this because all the fights last longer than a fifth of a second, which is about how long it takes to crush someone's windpipe or carotid arteries with the inside of your hand.

Sure, Chinese martial arts can be effective with their one-hit-kill techniques, but the amount of training required to achieve the skill of executing these lethal blows in the heat of combat is unrealistic. That's why I argue that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is the most practical martial arts.

This debate can go on forever (especially over the internet) so I won't argue this point anymore.

To the OP: Put your kids in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu if possible.
 

slimrhcp

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OP, if you want your kids to come away with practical self defense, they're going to have to be exposed to what's called live sparring. That's why BJJ, wrestling, boxing, and muay thai are so practical. Having to learn how to do techniques on an uncooperative partner is what makes the moves applicable in the situation. BTW, judo is very practical as a means of self defense. Judo players are very well versed at timing and balance; an ippon seionage (shoulder throw) is a knock out on a hard surface.
 

MustangSVT

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JUDO is great for kids.

My club has 5 kids that are 5 thru 8 and they all have great time. of course they dont do anything dangerous and I think it would be great if you do it with them (as in our dojo, the fathers practice together).

Personally, I find Judo mostly self training. I dont give a crap if it is effective in a ring, when i get into a dangerous situation in streets, im running ~! kekeke
 

mrrman

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Ive studied martial arts for over 5 years, 1 level below a black belt and my kids are yellow and green...its great and its fun as a family...I am a competitor though and do it for the kumite( fighting)
 

slimrhcp

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Originally posted by: mrrman
Ive studied martial arts for over 5 years, 1 level below a black belt and my kids are yellow and green...its great and its fun as a family...I am a competitor though and do it for the kumite( fighting)

I'm assuming you do judo. Out of curiosity, what percentage of your training is ground fighting? It seems like most Judo schools these days focus only on Olympic style Judo (only throws), rather than pre-WWII Judo(which bares a striking resemblance to BJJ). The older style (I believe it's called Kosen Judo) places just as much emphasis on throws, as it does on subs.
 

ForumMaster

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when i was in elementary school, i took tae kwan do. the whole art is about self defense. it really helped me improve my body. plus, martial arts teach discipline as well which is important in life.
 

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Originally posted by: gamepad
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.

Let me guess that one time he doesn't win it's because Chuck Norris is there?
 
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