Has anyone ever studied judo?

[jpeyton]

I have been known to Judo chop various items on random occasions.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

no its true, brazilian jiu jitsu was developed through reason...thinking through and experimenting to find out what worked and what doesn't. it was developed relatively late with the access to the knowledge of all the other styles. over time some martial arts become sport and tradition and morph into something that isn't the ultimate self defense. sure u could take down most n00bs because training is training but the hypothetical is whats best ...

from what i remember judo was developed for tossing down another dude in armor because punching dudes in armors doesn't squat gotta toss him down so u can finish him with dagger or whatever.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: kalrith

Originally posted by: gamepad

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.

Is Brazilian jiu jitsu effective against more than one attacker? In other words, if the afore-mentioned two people had to defend him- or herself against 2-3 attackers, would the Brazilian jiu jitsu or the karate/kung fu be more effective?

Muay Thai.

Eh, I'd say Muay Thai would be more effective than BJJ against 2-3 guys in a lot of cases, but I don't think it'd be fantastic. Teach your kids Krav Maga. Then you'll have absolutely nothing to worry about. BJJ is great for 1vs1 though and if a kid is good enough at BJJ and can take down a person, submit them, and move on, it would be fine against 2-3 people. For example, quick takedown, pull side guard or mount, grab an armbar, (potentially break arm), and move on to the next guy. Good chokes work in 10 seconds too if you do them right, so if you train your kids from age 7 to 15 in BJJ, I'm sure they'll have fairly good instinct and judgement no matter how many are in a fight.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: kalrith

Originally posted by: gamepad

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
I have seen a few discussion on here where people have said a lot of competition martial arts would not be effective in a real fight.

Those people speak a lot of shyte. Sure, someone who casually trains in judo or karate isn't going to fare well against a MMA champion or a special forces hand to hand expert, but they will still kick the ass of any two average guys on the street.

Originally posted by: gamepad
brazilian jiu jitsu is the best for practical self defense.

The wise man speaketh :roll:

it's true.

take someone who studied brazilian jiu jitsu for 3 years, and another who studied kung fu or karate for 3 years. if they fight eachother, the brazilian jiu jitsu student will win 9 out of 10 times.

Is Brazilian jiu jitsu effective against more than one attacker? In other words, if the afore-mentioned two people had to defend him- or herself against 2-3 attackers, would the Brazilian jiu jitsu or the karate/kung fu be more effective?

Muay Thai.

Eh, I'd say Muay Thai would be more effective than BJJ against 2-3 guys in a lot of cases, but I don't think it'd be fantastic. Teach your kids Krav Maga. Then you'll have absolutely nothing to worry about. BJJ is great for 1vs1 though and if a kid is good enough at BJJ and can take down a person, submit them, and move on, it would be fine against 2-3 people. For example, quick takedown, pull side guard or mount, grab an armbar, (potentially break arm), and move on to the next guy. Good chokes work in 10 seconds too if you do them right, so if you train your kids from age 7 to 15 in BJJ, I'm sure they'll have fairly good instinct and judgement no matter how many are in a fight.

 

[FlashG]

17 years ago my (then) 8yr old youngest son practiced Judo when we lived in South Florida. We were very supportive as a family and had a great time. We even traveled with the whole team to a Chicago world meet where he managed to go through 6 rounds as a green belt. The young women in our team did especially well in there weight classes. If I remember right our group took 2 first place trophies home.

I would say that Judo gave Mike self confidence and a positive self image. In the real world he never really had to fight anyone because he somehow projected a feeling of quiet strength. Judo also is great for flexibility and helps to maintain physical fitness. I think that Greco wrestling is also close to Judo as a sport but I?ve never seen youngsters practice it. I wished that they had decent instructors here in Jacksonville but that?s sadly not the case. If you notice Judo is an Olympic sport and Karate is not. I don?t want to go into the reasons for that but it?s so.

 

[Laminator]

Originally posted by: FlashG
I would say that Judo gave Mike self confidence and a positive self image. In the real world he never really had to fight anyone because he somehow projected a feeling of quiet strength. Judo also is great for flexibility and helps to maintain physical fitness. I think that Greco wrestling is also close to Judo as a sport but I?ve never seen youngsters practice it. I wished that they had decent instructors here in Jacksonville but that?s sadly not the case. If you notice Judo is an Olympic sport and Karate is not. I don?t want to go into the reasons for that but it?s so.

Unfortunately, a lot of the sport/tournament martial arts have lost their practicality in being adapted to a system that requires judging/scoring and accessibility to the general public. I once read online of a Karate or Tae Kwon Do league (can't remember) that scored only hits to the front, so one school in the league trained its students to keep their back facing the enemy and turn and punch quickly to get points. A lot of these leagues/schools will also discourage students from being too "violent" or "vicious".

Almost every martial art will have commercialized McDojos so in the search for practicality, it is very important to find a good school. If you're a kid this won't be as big as a problem because it is less about fighting and more about the building of self-confidence and coordination. However, most adults expect their martial-arts training to have practical application. Good schools/instructors, no matter what art you study, will have both experience and knowledge of tricks/tips you can use in real life.

 

[nick1985]

By ATOT law, everyone on here is a Judo master.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: Laminator

Originally posted by: FlashG

Unfortunately, a lot of the sport/tournament martial arts have lost their practicality in being Almost every martial art will have commercialized McDojos so in the search for practicality, it is very important to find a good school.

That is precisely the reason that we stopped practicing Judo. It?s considered a ?soft sport? and is not for killing. I didn?t want my kid serving jail time because he reverted to the kill factor of the other arts. I also wanted him to be able to neutralize an opponent by getting them on the ground and immobilized. Having the ability to kill someone is not to be taken lightly. That?s why we didn?t go for other the other types of marshal arts

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Learn this, its the best.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SzF...4&mode=related&search=

Ha ha. There was a lame movie about a decade ago called The Matrix where a dude could dodge bullets (seen in slo-mo) and this is just taking it to the next level -reflecting bullets back to the enemy. lulz

 

[slimrhcp]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

no its true, brazilian jiu jitsu was developed through reason...thinking through and experimenting to find out what worked and what doesn't. it was developed relatively late with the access to the knowledge of all the other styles. over time some martial arts become sport and tradition and morph into something that isn't the ultimate self defense. sure u could take down most n00bs because training is training but the hypothetical is whats best ...

from what i remember judo was developed for tossing down another dude in armor because punching dudes in armors doesn't squat gotta toss him down so u can finish him with dagger or whatever.

NO....here's a short history of Jiu-Jistu, BJJ, and Judo.

Tradiational Japanese Jiu-Jitsu (JJJ) has existed for hundreds of years. It includes strikes, blocks, throws, grappling, joint locks, and chokes.

In the 19th century, a JJJ practitioner named Jiguro Kano decided to rethink the idea of JJJ. He removed all of the strikes and blocks. When they were removed, only the grappling elements remained. By removing lethal moves, the martial artists were actually more dangerous. The purpose of this was to be able to train at full speed with a resisting opponent. This method of fighting gained popularity fairly quickly. Judo flourished in Japan all the way up until WWII.

In the early 20th century an excellent Martial Artist traveled to Brazil. The Gracie family was politically connected and very hospitable to the man. In exchange for their graciousness, he agreed to train one of their sons. The man originally studied Jiu-Jitsu before learning Judo. Although he taught the young Gracie Judo, he paid homage to his original form by calling the curriculum Jiu-Jitsu.

A couple side notes:
Every move that is in Judo, is also in JJJ (but not the other way around).
In addition to Judo, Karate and Aikido are based on JJJ.

 

[slimrhcp]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Eh, I'd say Muay Thai would be more effective than BJJ against 2-3 guys in a lot of cases, but I don't think it'd be fantastic. Teach your kids Krav Maga. Then you'll have absolutely nothing to worry about. BJJ is great for 1vs1 though and if a kid is good enough at BJJ and can take down a person, submit them, and move on, it would be fine against 2-3 people. For example, quick takedown, pull side guard or mount, grab an armbar, (potentially break arm), and move on to the next guy. Good chokes work in 10 seconds too if you do them right, so if you train your kids from age 7 to 15 in BJJ, I'm sure they'll have fairly good instinct and judgement no matter how many are in a fight.

Nothing is effective against multiple attackers besides having friends with you. If you don't, run.

Krav Maga
Krav Maga
Krav Maga
Everyone's so fascinated with Krav Maga. If that's what you like then fine. But realize a couple things. First, none of their techniques are unique to their art. It's techniques that have been borrowed from other arts. Second, I've yet to see a KM school which incorporates live sparring into the lessons. I can't say this enough....if you're just doing repetitions of moves against a willing opponent, you're going to have a false sense of security and get supremely owned in a real life situation.

 

[slimrhcp]

Originally posted by: FlashG

If you notice Judo is an Olympic sport and Karate is not. I don?t want to go into the reasons for that but it?s so.

Judo is an Olympic sport, but it's not full Judo. In normal Judo rules if the throw is above the hips it's a victory, otherwise the match is decided by pin, submission, or points.

You're right, karate isn't an Olympic sport, but Tae Kwon Do is. I've seen a lot of people cross over from the two.

There have been rumors that Pankration will make it's way back into the Olympics, which would be awesome.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp

Originally posted by: FlashG

If you notice Judo is an Olympic sport and Karate is not. I don?t want to go into the reasons for that but it?s so.

Judo is an Olympic sport, but it's not full Judo. In normal Judo rules if the throw is above the hips it's a victory, otherwise the match is decided by pin, submission, or points.

You're right, karate isn't an Olympic sport, but Tae Kwon Do is. I've seen a lot of people cross over from the two.

There have been rumors that Pankration will make it's way back into the Olympics, which would be awesome.

Slimrhcp please explain about Pankration.

Yea we couldn?t find a decent Tae Kwon Do instructor in either S or NE Florida. The S Florida Judo group instructor ran a true Dojo and he was great. When we were in Chicago he took us to one of his friend?s Dojo?s. They were training for the Olympics and asked him to practice with him. He was no match for these guys. He looked like a rag doll being thrown around the mat. This was amazing to me because I knew he was good but these guys were awesome.

 

[deejayshakur]

not judo, but started TKD at age 6, got my black belt at age 12. i attribute a lot of my patience and self-discipline to learning TKD at an early age. that and very strict parents.

edit: this link has been around. one of my buddies at ucla (in blue) pulling off a head shot against stanford. i competed for ucla a few years back.

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[slimrhcp]

Pankration was no holds barred fighting held in Ancient Greece. The organization known as Pancrase held mixed martial arts matches. The rumor was that Pankration will be revived as future Olympic game with rules similar to those that the Nevada State Athletic Commission has in place for UFC.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Pankration was no holds barred fighting held in Ancient Greece. The organization known as Pancrase held mixed martial arts matches. The rumor was that Pankration will be revived as future Olympic game with rules similar to those that the Nevada State Athletic Commission has in place for UFC.

Great, I hope they don't try to turn it into Raw.

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp

Originally posted by: FlashG

If you notice Judo is an Olympic sport and Karate is not. I don?t want to go into the reasons for that but it?s so.

Judo is an Olympic sport, but it's not full Judo. In normal Judo rules if the throw is above the hips it's a victory, otherwise the match is decided by pin, submission, or points.

You're right, karate isn't an Olympic sport, but Tae Kwon Do is. I've seen a lot of people cross over from the two.

There have been rumors that Pankration will make it's way back into the Olympics, which would be awesome.

ummm.... it doesnt matter where the throw is above of. If your opponent lands on both feet after you throw them above your head, you dont win. Its how the opponent lands.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: nick1985
By ATOT law, everyone on here is a Judo master.

Not true. They are masters in ALL martial arts! They're like ninjas with computers.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

I was an active member of a judo dojo from age 12 to 16.
Very good defensive sport, paralyzing pinches and advanced floor wrestling were studied during my second to third year.
Even at age sixty the art of not only knowing how to break my fall but being unafraid and knowing where I am in the fall is still with me.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
I was an active member of a judo dojo from age 12 to 16.
Very good defensive sport, paralyzing pinches and advanced floor wrestling were studied during my second to third year.
Even at age sixty the art of not only knowing how to break my fall but being unafraid and knowing where I am in the fall is still with me.

Galvanized I think I'm a little older than you and as a senior I can appreciate this falling skill you talk of I hope that we answered the OP's original question and didn't scare him away.

 

[slimrhcp]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT


ummm.... it doesnt matter where the throw is above of. If your opponent lands on both feet after you throw them above your head, you dont win. Its how the opponent lands.

Right you are....I should have said ippon is only awarded for a completed throw above the hips. Good call.