Well, yeah. It's obviously a tradeoff, but if the question is, "is there a laptop with comparable build quality to a MBP, a great screen, etc" then the answer is, yes. Also keep in mind that hardly anyone really buys 17" laptops, and the Envy 14 has good (but not great) battery life, making it easily comparable to a 14" MBP.so where are we at then? The entire argument for an Hp17 rests on the fact that it's powerful enough to play games?
cuz if that's it then I got no arguments. The envy line IS great for games and are far superior to MBP's for that purpose.
Those ultra powerful Core i5s... lol. It's thin because they use low-mid range hardware. The battery life is again because of the low-mid range hardware.
Unwinnable argument here.
My priorities are performance ("power") and cost. Yours are "thinness" and "power" and battery life.
here's my question about the test with the Envy 17, did they do all the same optimizations inside Windows 7 that don't come set out of the box, but are in OSX as well and configured for longer battery life? Everyone knows Apple laptops cannot use more than 25% of their CPU power while in battery mode, there's also tons of other settings that are configurable as well including turning down the wifi antennas power. We were able to squeeze just over another hour of battery life out of my roommates laptop playing with the settings.
I will admit i like the apple trackpad.
But i dont like it enough to justify a $700 markup on hardware.
Do you honestly believe apple marks up its computers by $700? Are you serious?
So you can find a comparable Win7 lappy for $300 that is the exact same as the $1,000 MBP? Seriously?
Patently false.
My roommate just ran 4 tests on his Late 08 MBP (early unibody, removeable battery). He ran CineBench (a cross platform benchmarking tool)
He scored the following CPU scores;
Plugged, battery in: 1.32
Plugged, battery out: 1.32
Unplugged, battery in: 1.32
Unplugged, battery out: 0 (obviously )
So, that puts the 25% power (or even reduced power) theory to bed when on battery or plugged in without battery.
Why would I got from my Windows 7 machine to an Apple? That would be a downgrade, and I'm only interested in upgrading when it comes to my computing experience. Everyone knows this.
Depending on what computer you go from and too it would be an upgrade, particularly if you (like me) think that the ability to run OSX (propperly) is an additional feature, worthy of an upgrade on it's own....
Going from a 486 with Windows 3.1 to an Apple with OSX would be a downgrade.
The ability to run OSX is a downgrade.
Think how bad it would be without minesweeper!
How the devil do people get through the day without it? :biggrin:
Are you kidding? I'd rather be playing Gorilla in QBASIC.
So the trackpad alone is worth 700 dollars more for a 13"MBP than a 300" 10" netbook? While I do quite enjoy the Apple trackpad it is not worth 700 dollars.
Sammy was better than gorilla.bas. BASICA on IBM PC.
Although Sneakers on CP/M > *.
Mercy sakes alive!
I'm really dating myself here!
Well I was trying to find the article I could have swore I read which made the claim, but can't find it. Guess I was wrong. I could have swore the CPU was mad throttled when we were playing with settings to try and get similar battery life in Windows on my buddies MBP. Probably wrong, my bad.
Going from a 486 with Windows 3.1 to an Apple with OSX would be a downgrade.
The ability to run OSX is a downgrade.
neckarb, that's a rather SHIT reason to buy hardware considering Apple makes the software for specific hardware.
OSX is just another shiny thing. If OSX ceased to be tomorrow, the world could still function. If Windows suddenly vanished we'd be quite fucked.
OSX is just another shiny thing. If OSX ceased to be tomorrow, the world could still function. If Windows suddenly vanished we'd be quite fucked.
MrX8503, what kind of stuff are we trying to accomplish on the machine? I have used everything from Office to VLC w/ 720p BR rip on a netbook. Hell some can play games. One of the arguments presented here was "why do you need so much power?" and I ask the same thing, why do you need so much power? If you aren't using it for gaming or software development do you need more?
wtf kind of reasoning is that?
I didn't bring up that argument, but you may twist words/ideas into whatever form you want to satisfy your opinions of Apple. It still doesn't validate your claim of Apple having a $700 markup on their notebooks.