Has anyone gone from a Windows 7 machine to an Apple and thought OMG...

[PsiStar]

Apple makes great computers. But computers are just consumables and not your 1st born. Any computer & especially a notebook I expect to be used up in ~3 years. So I look at as how much $ per year (or whatever). Apples are characterized as being more expensive so I wonder about the return. Yes, I also have computers over 3 years old and no Apples.

On the other hand, computers get the work done for me and are not a personal extravagance. This computer has a number cruncher running in the background & I am just killing time while it runs. If you computer is primarily for entertainment, then hell there is no logical justification .. just get what you want!

 

[Chaotic42]

My productivity increase in OSX for offsets the extra cost of the apple machine and I get near 0 benefit from having a marginally faster windows machine. It's not about cycles per second, but what you do with it

I don't consider OSX a luxury thing, it's not like my computer is diamond studded or something... it's just far better system for what I do.

I'm not bashing OSX, but I'm curious to know in what ways you are so much more productive with it than you would be with Windows 7.

 

[HAL9000]

I don't care what Steve does with OSX, I don't use it and yes some of those things in todays world can be considered essentials depending on where you live. OSX is something that could literally disappear this instant and the world would really lose nothing and continue to function. Those other things you mentioned would bring parts of the world or the whole world to a standstill. I guess I just view things vastly different than you guys.

Yes you do, you seem to think that unless something offers value to the majority of mankind its not worth existing, so I guess we should say goodbye to TV, music, porn, theater, art...

 

[HAL9000]

I'm not bashing OSX, but I'm curious to know in what ways you are so much more productive with it than you would be with Windows 7.

I don't know what it is, it's just that If I spend a week using Windows 7 then for a lot of that week I will spend my time banging my head against the table trying to force it to work, fixing registry issues, removing adware/ virus' installing software to replace the standard operating system software i.e. Internet Explorer - firefox, and after all that's done everything doesn't run as well as in OSX. To give another perfect example I booted windows 7 a minute ago as I want to play a game the machine started up and then hit a black dos screen doing some kind of registry fix for about 10 minutes before I could play the game.

Update: I just started Unreal Tournament 3, which is what I fancied playing. Error message, I pressed OK, game boots and asks for a CD-Key again, so Now I have to go and find the case somewhere, just to play a game, this is the perfect example of how I find that things on Windows don't just work, they stop working for no apparent reason. I've never had that in OSX.

 

[Chaotic42]

I don't know what it is, it's just that If I spend a week using Windows 7 then for a lot of that week I will spend my time banging my head against the table trying to force it to work, fixing registry issues, removing adware/ virus' installing software to replace the standard operating system software i.e. Internet Explorer - firefox, and after all that's done everything doesn't run as well as in OSX. To give another perfect example I booted windows 7 a minute ago as I want to play a game the machine started up and then hit a black dos screen doing some kind of registry fix for about 10 minutes before I could play the game.

Update: I just started Unreal Tournament 3, which is what I fancied playing. Error message, I pressed OK, game boots and asks for a CD-Key again, so Now I have to go and find the case somewhere, just to play a game, this is the perfect example of how I find that things on Windows don't just work, they stop working for no apparent reason. I've never had that in OSX.

Uh, what the hell did you do to your computer?

 

[jrjiri]

I switched from a Windows machine to a Mac at work and I thought "OMG I cant believe anybody can get any work done on one of these slow, costly things!" At home I have a fast Windows 7 machine and I'm very happy with it.

 

[HAL9000]

Uh, what the hell did you do to your computer?

I installed windows...

 

[Chaotic42]

I installed windows...

What registry issues are you having and why are you removing the security software? As for the registry fix DOS screen thing, I have no idea what that would be. It sounds like you're mucking around in places you shouldn't be and the computer is trying to fix what you're doing.

I don't think normal people have these issues, man.

 

[HAL9000]

What registry issues are you having and why are you removing the security software? As for the registry fix DOS screen thing, I have no idea what that would be. It sounds like you're mucking around in places you shouldn't be and the computer is trying to fix what you're doing.

I don't think normal people have these issues, man.

I use windows to run games that is all, I haven't done anything on the entire operating system other than install games and drivers... It's not me... It's windows. On a side note I've had issues with every windows operating system I've ever had on every PC I've ever owned, from 3.1 to now.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I don't know what it is, it's just that If I spend a week using Windows 7 then for a lot of that week I will spend my time banging my head against the table trying to force it to work, fixing registry issues, removing adware/ virus' installing software to replace the standard operating system software i.e. Internet Explorer - firefox, and after all that's done everything doesn't run as well as in OSX. To give another perfect example I booted windows 7 a minute ago as I want to play a game the machine started up and then hit a black dos screen doing some kind of registry fix for about 10 minutes before I could play the game.

Update: I just started Unreal Tournament 3, which is what I fancied playing. Error message, I pressed OK, game boots and asks for a CD-Key again, so Now I have to go and find the case somewhere, just to play a game, this is the perfect example of how I find that things on Windows don't just work, they stop working for no apparent reason. I've never had that in OSX.

No offense but it sounds like the problem is either crappy hardware or the user. I've been running windows 7 since the first Beta and never encountered a single issue like the ones you describe.

 

[SAWYER]

I have been using a mac and win 7 and I like both. I about fell out that I had to call apple tech because I simply could not get itunes to work with my 4th gen ipod touches anymore. I had to remove itunes and it was a lengthy process and that fixed it. They were working then for whatever reason itunes was the issue

 

[holden j caufield]

osx with vmware fusion and windows? I don't use it but someone at work does. Is very productive. I've not used a mac but for 20 minutes at a time. What's so great about them? Oh I'm not a fashion junky either.

 

[shortylickens]

No.
But I do recall trying to switch from Windows XP to OSX and thinking this was some overpriced, ineffective crap.
I sure hope all those people using it for photo and video editing never learn the truth. Otherwise Hollywood might not be able to charge so much for movies.

 

[Chaotic42]

I use windows to run games that is all, I haven't done anything on the entire operating system other than install games and drivers... It's not me... It's windows. On a side note I've had issues with every windows operating system I've ever had on every PC I've ever owned, from 3.1 to now.

You just said you're doing more than installing games and drivers.

 

[HAL9000]

You just said you're doing more than installing games and drivers.

When?

 

[Rubycon]

No offense but it sounds like the problem is either crappy hardware or the user. I've been running windows 7 since the first Beta and never encountered a single issue like the ones you describe.

PICNIC

(Problem In Chair Not Inside Computer)

:biggrin:

 

[HAL9000]

PICNIC

(Problem In Chair Not Inside Computer)

:biggrin:

Hah.

I Prefer PEBKAC Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair

But seriously it's just the operating system, windows has problems, I don't care about what the problem is, when it invitably dies I'll just reformat and move on. I tend to reformat windows partitions regularly.

 

[HAL9000]

No offense but it sounds like the problem is either crappy hardware or the user. I've been running windows 7 since the first Beta and never encountered a single issue like the ones you describe.

That's fair enough, but it's definately not the hardware and I know what I'm doing. I'm just putting it down to windows and moving on, I don't care enough to look into it.

 

[Rubycon]

Hah.

I Prefer PEBKAC Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair

But seriously it's just the operating system, windows has problems, I don't care about what the problem is, when it invitably dies I'll just reformat and move on. I tend to reformat windows partitions regularly.

Every Adam, Rudy, and Dick knows PEBKAC though.

The fact that you're removing malware says it right there.

 

[HAL9000]

Every Adam, Rudy, and Dick knows PEBKAC though.

The fact that you're removing malware says it right there.

OK. Lol I think that's more a problem with the OS than with me...

 

[Rubycon]

OK. Lol I think that's more a problem with the OS than with me...

No it's not. As a network admin you should know better.

 

[HAL9000]

No it's not. As a network admin you should know better.

Windows gets malware and crap on it without the appropriate counter-measure software,
OSX doesn't

Sounds like an OS problem to me.

 

[Rubycon]

Windows gets malware and crap on it without the appropriate counter-measure software,
OSX doesn't

Sounds like an OS problem to me.

No it does not.
Allowing code to run surreptitiously is the issue at hand. It's all operator error. Many of the systems that are infected have countermeasures in place in the form of anti virus, etc. Yet these people continue to use browsers that are extremely insecure an allow EVERYTHING to run wide open. To add insult to injury they are often logged in with accounts that have administrator privileges!

Experienced users don't have this problem. It's not OS related.

Just five years ago Windows users would be infected by opening attachments in emails OR downloading warez or going to porn sites.

Now getting infected is as easy as watching a youtube video, reading the new york times or listening to a radio station online. This is possible because the hosting servers for advertisements are often run on shoestring budgets and their servers are unpatched and vulnerable. If such an ad is served and your browser runs everything your computer will get infected.

When Fermi reviews came out last April many people reported that they could not read Anand's review because the site was flagged as an attack site. There was nothing wrong with anandtech.com, but one of the ads was running on a compromised server.

In this day and age I find it crazy that ANYONE would surf the web without at least some way to block scripts from running, block all adverts, and prevent flash from opening on its own. Just using adblock, noscript, and flashblock in firefox can stop nuisance drive by attacks. Common sense applies on the other things. Say someone sends you a video but it won't play. You get a DRM message telling you the content is protected and it looks official. Inside the player is a button that you click and it opens a save as dialogue. It's an exe file and anyone knows this is not good. If you have malwarebytes you can scan it and more than likely it has something nasty like a trojan or root kit. People open them every day to see some silly crap. Most of the time it's young males thinking with their dick.

Blaming this on the OS is like blaming Ford for a faulty car because your foot slipped off the clutch and you ran over the neighbor's cat. :biggrin:

 

[rcpratt]

Is this thread still going on.

 

[HAL9000]

No it does not.
Allowing code to run surreptitiously is the issue at hand. It's all operator error. Many of the systems that are infected have countermeasures in place in the form of anti virus, etc. Yet these people continue to use browsers that are extremely insecure an allow EVERYTHING to run wide open. To add insult to injury they are often logged in with accounts that have administrator privileges!

Experienced users don't have this problem. It's not OS related.

Just five years ago Windows users would be infected by opening attachments in emails OR downloading warez or going to porn sites.

Now getting infected is as easy as watching a youtube video, reading the new york times or listening to a radio station online. This is possible because the hosting servers for advertisements are often run on shoestring budgets and their servers are unpatched and vulnerable. If such an ad is served and your browser runs everything your computer will get infected.

When Fermi reviews came out last April many people reported that they could not read Anand's review because the site was flagged as an attack site. There was nothing wrong with anandtech.com, but one of the ads was running on a compromised server.

In this day and age I find it crazy that ANYONE would surf the web without at least some way to block scripts from running, block all adverts, and prevent flash from opening on its own. Just using adblock, noscript, and flashblock in firefox can stop nuisance drive by attacks. Common sense applies on the other things. Say someone sends you a video but it won't play. You get a DRM message telling you the content is protected and it looks official. Inside the player is a button that you click and it opens a save as dialogue. It's an exe file and anyone knows this is not good. If you have malwarebytes you can scan it and more than likely it has something nasty like a trojan or root kit. People open them every day to see some silly crap. Most of the time it's young males thinking with their dick.

Blaming this on the OS is like blaming Ford for a faulty car because your foot slipped off the clutch and you ran over the neighbor's cat. :biggrin:

Most of that is true, and in a network I wouldn't leave my operating systems open, but at home with an OS that just plays games, and something I reformat regularly IDGAS about spending ages setting it up every time, I rarely use it and it's not worth doing anything about, it's still a fact that OSX otb and Windows OTB have very different issues,