Has anyone read Rich Dad/Poor Dad?

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OverVolt

Lifer
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Here's my take. There are pros and cons to all methods of wealth building strategies.

Entrepreneurship requires lots and lots of time, energy, and risk. At some point in time this risk can give big rewards, but only after a lot of very hard up front work. There are no guarantees.

"Wage slave" earners enjoy working a set schedule, the compensation and benefits are typically pretty good, and you can build wealth for your retirement years pretty quickly if you get out of debt fast and the save/invest like the dickens. Job security is sometimes an issue and there are no guarantees. You typically have to work hard to earn higher and higher wages over time using this method as well.

In short, whatever you do, you're going to have to work hard to attain a greater than average measure of financial success in life. In either method, if you buy too much stuff to impress people you don't even know or like, then you're never going to be financially independent.
Yea its all good in theory except half the cars I see are Cadillac, Lexus, and Infiniti etc.
 

Rakehellion

Lifer
Jan 15, 2013
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Yet Warren Buffet hasn't rented a house in a over a half century, and had a mortgage.

Buying a house to rent, then renting, is self defeating. Buying a house, then buying another house to rent, is a "business owner".

Housing is something you need and in most cases it is a better idea to buy than rent.

And this 110% misses the point.

You need food to live, but buying food doesn't make you money either.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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here is my version of rich dad/poor dad:

i save %50 of my income.

- the rich side of me gets to spend every penny it makes, and live it up like there is no tomorrow!

- the poor side of me has to live like a pauper, beg for scraps, and make do with every penny it finds on the sidewalk!

if you live like this while you work, and invest the saved %50 wisely, you can be pretty certain you wont lack money when you retire.
 

JMapleton

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Nov 19, 2008
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The book could have been written a little better, in terms of being realistic. But it's overall point is right.

JOB = Just Over Broke.

You can either whine about your situation and cry because you're not rich or roll up your sleeves and build something for yourself.
 

Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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I'm pretty sure the book says not to do any of that...... including the wife part

Actually I think most recommend getting married as most wealthy are married. It's the divorce thing that gets you so pick well and or get a prenup

I love how people think that there is even an option or chance of getting rich (to an extent of course, I know there is, but just small, VERY small).

Most wealthy people are born into it.

Citation needed
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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If you look or think of a person as a "liability" you are already failed the relationship before it even begun.

In 21st century in the West you NEED a significant other and support JUST TO GET BY!!! This is not 50s/60s anymore.......good luck getting by on your own or building any kind of assets (have fun with that)

1. They never said a person was a liability. They said having a wife. It is the marriage that is the liability, not the person. You can be with and live with someone forever and skip the whole massive liability part.

2. No, you can do fine on your own. You do not "need" a significant other to "just get by."

Seriously...where do you come up with this ?
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Some people taking this shit way too personally...

Someone gave me the book to read years ago. It's been sitting on my bookshelf unread for years.
 

Mai72

Lifer
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Yet Warren Buffet hasn't rented a house in a over a half century, and had a mortgage.

Buying a house to rent, then renting, is self defeating. Buying a house, then buying another house to rent, is a "business owner".

Housing is something you need and in most cases it is a better idea to buy than rent.

Warren Buffet is a billionaire. Rich Dad/Poor Dad wasn't written for someone like him. It was written for people who know jack sh*t about investing. It was written for people who think their little 401k is enough for retirement.

I asked my brother if he keeps tabs on his 401 k. He told me no. He hasn't looked at it in years. He also spends money on ipads, big screen tv's, etc...

I'm no better. I've spent money like water. I have little saved in retirement and I'm nearing 40. At least in my case I know I need to do something quick. Most people aren't even aware until they get old and reality hits them squarely in the chest.

I also like "The Millionaire Next Door." The book is nearly 20 years old, yet the still hold a lot of weight today.
 

LegendKiller

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Warren Buffet is a billionaire. Rich Dad/Poor Dad wasn't written for someone like him. It was written for people who know jack sh*t about investing. It was written for people who think their little 401k is enough for retirement.

I asked my brother if he keeps tabs on his 401 k. He told me no. He hasn't looked at it in years. He also spends money on ipads, big screen tv's, etc...

I'm no better. I've spent money like water. I have little saved in retirement and I'm nearing 40. At least in my case I know I need to do something quick. Most people aren't even aware until they get old and reality hits them squarely in the chest.

I also like "The Millionaire Next Door." The book is nearly 20 years old, yet the still hold a lot of weight today.

Warren Buffet had owned that home for decades before he was a billionaire. There's a reason why jumbo and super jumbo mortgages are doing very well now. It's because "rich" people know that their houses are assets that can be leveraged, they can borrow at far cheaper rates than they can make in other places, thus their "asset" provides the ability to buy more assets. Not a single one sees their house as a liability, that thinking is for financially illiterate people.

I know quite a few very wealthy people and *all* of them own a home with a mortgage. *ALL* of them are very successful people that have a lot of money saved up. My boss and a couple guys I work with have both their own home (with mortgage) and have now begun buying rental property (with mortgages). Not a single one of them rents, or has a cash, home.

I don't look at my 401k very often. I max it out every year, get my 9% company match, plus extra retirement kicker. The only part I look at is my individually managed portion which I actively manage. I have a pretty good amount of money saved up already.

Why would you look at it often? Other than to periodically rebalance or potentially increase contribution considering investment target, you don't need to look at it at all.

The problem with people is that they don't think about their retirement. That has a lot less to do with a house than it has to do with getting caught up in the "today" vs the "tomorrow". Much of that could be solved by simply asking them how much they think they need to live off of for 20 years post-retirement.
 
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spidey07

No Lifer
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If somebody will loan you 1000 bucks and you know you could turn that into 1050 bucks why would you not do it? Knowing full well you can give them 1000 bucks at any time of your choosing?

Multiply that times a few other thousands. It really isn't difficult to understand. You had the assets the entire time.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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You can tell who has read the book and who hasnt.

Everyone who hasnt thinks its a get rich quick scheme.
Its not.
Its a look at two different philosophies regarding money.


Interesting side note: All my Econ professors at GMU in general agree with the principles of the book. Most of the concepts come from modern economic theory, they are just spoken from a laymen's point of view.
(This includes the two Nobel prize winning economists we have on staff).
 

Kaido

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Feb 14, 2004
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A home or real estate can be a means to increase wealth. That makes it an investment.

Assuming you can sell it for more than you bought it for. Until that time, it's a liability because it creates expenses: services, taxes, maintenance, repairs, etc. Unless you are renting it out & making money on it as an asset, then it is a liability. It can become an investment asset IF you make money on it when you sell it, but even then, all of those years prior to selling it, it's still a liability because it's still sucking up money & creating expenses. That's the point they're trying to make: it's a thing that ongoingly costs you money to have.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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Yes. But at 4% mortgage I can leverage it to make more money. That's why you should never pay down a mortgage.

It's not just selling it that makes money. It's using the loans at stupid low rates to make money.

I'd never want to be house rich but cash poor. That's what typically happens when folks don't use their mortgage properly like paying it off. Have to think long term.
 
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halik

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Spending money makes you poorer.


If you buy a house to rent it out, that's an asset. That makes you a business owner. :thumbsup:

A house costs money even after the mortgage is fully paid off. That's a liability. :thumbsdown:
If you sell your only house for 440k, you don't have a place to live. :thumbsdown:
If you turn your only house into a rental property, you don't have a place to live. :thumbsdown:

It was Warren Buffet who said "If you buy things you don't need, soon you will have to sell things you need." You can't just sell your house at a moment's notice to make a profit. You need a house.

Currently, you're a homeowner and not a real estate agent. There's a huge difference.

What you wrote is completely asinine. If my mortgage is paid off, I'm sitting a 440K asset with a small cost of carry.

Likewise for anything else - I just sold my 911 this past month and all the sudden I'm xx thousand dollars "richer"; how could possibly this 4 wheel "liability" all the sudden turn into stacks money? Per your argument, the car went from being worth negative amount of money (it cost me every month) to somehow being worth thousands of dollars... must be black magic.

Real estate agent is a weekend bullshit course. I went to grad school for finance and worked for a commercial real estate brokerage the entire time.

Honestly If your grasp of finance comes entirely from that book, it's terrifying how much disservice that book does; you literally couldn't be more off base on the subject on hand.

Your head might explode with this though: He took out a mortgage, even though he could have paid in cash. He must now have gone through the middle class fleecing know as the book in the o/p.
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Mark-Zuckerberg-s-mortgage-rate-1-05-3711118.php
 
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alkemyst

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People act like Warren Buffet is still living in a hovel he kept.

The annual taxes for that place in a more or less low tax area of our country is $13k per year.
 

alkemyst

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Assuming you can sell it for more than you bought it for. Until that time, it's a liability because it creates expenses: services, taxes, maintenance, repairs, etc. Unless you are renting it out & making money on it as an asset, then it is a liability. It can become an investment asset IF you make money on it when you sell it, but even then, all of those years prior to selling it, it's still a liability because it's still sucking up money & creating expenses. That's the point they're trying to make: it's a thing that ongoingly costs you money to have.

You have to factor in that living in anything costs money to offset home-ownership.

Historically, one has been able to live 7-10 years and upgrade due to nice equity (and sometimes even less).

That is an investment. The problem now is we have builders buying swamp, landfill, and undesirable property and putting nice homes on it.

In reality, the structure < the land/location.
 

Rakehellion

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Jan 15, 2013
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What you wrote is completely asinine. If my mortgage is paid off, I'm sitting a 440K asset with a small cost of carry.

Likewise for anything else - I just sold my 911 this past month and all the sudden I'm xx thousand dollars "richer"; how could possibly this 4 wheel "liability" all the sudden turn into stacks money? Per your argument, the car went from being worth negative amount of money (it cost me every month) to somehow being worth thousands of dollars... must be black magic.

Real estate agent is a weekend bullshit course. I went to grad school for finance and worked for a commercial real estate brokerage the entire time.

Honestly If your grasp of finance comes entirely from that book, it's terrifying how much disservice that book does; you literally couldn't be more off base on the subject on hand.


You spent money on an item and sold it at a loss. That's a bad financial move.

If it's an item you need such as a house or a car, that's an even worse move.

I don't see how this is flying over your head.

Your head will explode with this. He took out a mortgage, even though he could have paid in cash. He must now have gone through the middle class fleecing know as the book in the o/p.
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Mark-Zuckerberg-s-mortgage-rate-1-05-3711118.php

I never fucking said you shouldn't buy a house! And that link is an edge case that doesn't apply to the vast majority of homeowners.
 

JMapleton

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People act like Warren Buffet is still living in a hovel he kept.

The annual taxes for that place in a more or less low tax area of our country is $13k per year.

It's also about 8,000 sq feet with indoor hand ball court and a guard house. He also maintains the house very well, looks like a brand new house. He paid I think about $32k for it in the 1950s, which in midwest was a large amount to spend on a house back then. It's not the shack the media portrays it to be.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
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Assuming you can sell it for more than you bought it for. Until that time, it's a liability because it creates expenses: services, taxes, maintenance, repairs, etc. Unless you are renting it out & making money on it as an asset, then it is a liability. It can become an investment asset IF you make money on it when you sell it, but even then, all of those years prior to selling it, it's still a liability because it's still sucking up money & creating expenses. That's the point they're trying to make: it's a thing that ongoingly costs you money to have.

Over a long period of time you will most likely sell it for a decent gain. It was that way for over 100 years until the bubble. It's a matter of timing, just like any investment.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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Assuming you can sell it for more than you bought it for. Until that time, it's a liability because it creates expenses: services, taxes, maintenance, repairs, etc. Unless you are renting it out & making money on it as an asset, then it is a liability. It can become an investment asset IF you make money on it when you sell it, but even then, all of those years prior to selling it, it's still a liability because it's still sucking up money & creating expenses. That's the point they're trying to make: it's a thing that ongoingly costs you money to have.

If you rent the house house, where are you supposed to live?

You create another liability and get *nowhere*.
 
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