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blackangst1

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Originally posted by: BudAshes
Wow, people actually defend bush. Funny stuff. As if i care about how much money you made, life is about more than printed paper. Your bank account size or retirement funds could not matter less to me. Is dying comfortably really what you are spending your life trying to attain?

Not for me, although thats part of it. Other parts include giving back to my family who has so generously given to me, seeing much more of the world and meeting many more people all over the globe more so than I have already, and enjoying a few luxuries I never had growing up.

Of course doing all this takes two things: time and money. The time part I can take care of by scrimping now so I dont have to worry about working until Im 75. You see, time = money. The more money you have the more free time you have Seems to me that used to be called the American Dream.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: shira
But our TOTAL income tax revenue DECREASED. Why can't you fools get that through your heads?

As to the capital gains "increase," try looking at this little chart, which show that capital gains have DECREASED 15% in constant dollars:

Capital gains over time
In 2000 total revenue to the Federal Government was $2 trillion.
In 2007 total revenue to the Federal Government was $2.5 trillion.

A $500 billion increase is not exactly a 'decrease' in my book.

Also... in 2000 individual income taxes collected was $1 trillion.
In 2007 that amount was up to $1.16 trillion.
Corporate taxes also went up in this period from $200 billion to $370 billion. OMG!!! Bush is collecting almost double the corporate income taxes that Clinton collected!!!!
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: BudAshes
I don't believe in terrorism.
Its a word that inspires fear, something for the masses to gobble up from the media. A few idiots with box cutters snuck onto a plane and killed a bunch of people including themselves. There were no bombs involved or anything fancy. So basically bush has prevented all box cutter attacks since then. NICE WORK BUSH!!!! It only cost billions upon billions of dollars...
I don't believe in genocide, it's just a bunch of people having a good time...


Do you really know how stupid you sound with that statement?
19 guys with box cutters killed 3000 people. They didn't just come up with this idea over night, it took years of training and planning to make this happen. The people in charge of the planning would still be out there planning another attack if we hadn't done such a good job tracking them down.

That is at least one thing Bush has accomplished.

I wonder if he's ever seen the Eugene Armstrong or Paul Johnson or Nick Berg or any of the other American beheading videos. Probably not. Maybe they were lies created by Cheney?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin

Bush DID keep his promises to his real supporters

figure it out

YOU need to figure it out. Every point of yours is complete bullshit, and honestly it sounds like you know NOTHING of what you speak but rather form your opinions based on the opinions of others. Learn to think for yourself for a change.

You sound like a lemming.

What does a lemming sound like? i know .. nope, not like me - i am headed against the tide.

Do you really want me to answer you when you added nothing but ridicule? nor did you read what i posted because you asked me about what i already answered in my OP


--take em point by point if you want .. Bush kept his promises and accomplished exactly what he set out to do starting with the War.
-- but be careful and remember what you are starting .. if you give my post any credibility, it will start to grow in importance in other's minds

Nice empty words. Kind of like SOME of Bush's, although none of the bullshit you spouted.

Now go away little boy.

Why dont you treat people with respect? Or are you too good for that?

I do. When it's given in return. eskimospy for example. We disagree on ALOT of things. But our differences are usually pretty civil.

For example.

i get it
:light:

i think i remember you from Video a couple of years ago and in OT, maybe .. ?
Did i not give you any respect there back then and should i now expect that same disrespect in return from you?

i can't really remember rudely dismissing any of your posts way back then on purpose like you appear to be doing to me right now in this thread. Refresh my memory please if there is anything insulting that i said to you or even something personal i did perhaps that you remember and that i don't. Perhaps it is also something worthy of a long delayed and well-deserved apology if i missed it the first time. And i don't think it is anything i just started with you - other than my freely given opinion which is what everyone else offers here - since i have returned to posting in P&N again for only the past week.


Touche.

You have to understand that so many people give credit to people who dont deserve it. For example, posters in here have accused the GOP of price fixing oil. Some posters actually believe the hatred of Saddaam STARTED with Bush. Some people believe we are economically very very close to the great depression of the 1930's. And on and on and on.
So forgive me for reacting to what seemed to be yet another unintelligent, uninformed post doing nothing but spewing hatred and blame where it doesnt necessarily belong. I know youre more intelligent than that and should have given you the benefit if the doubt.

BTW I dont remember you from the other areas, mostly because I never post in OT anymore (havent in several years), and only occasionally post in the tech forums.

peace offering

Ok .. you got it .. absolutely! yes
:gift:

i don't think we actually argued before although i have posted in some of your threads in Video .. '05 or '06 maybe. i also left OT soon after i suggested splitting P&N off from it in Forum Issues ... and i never posted much here as there was NO real & consistent moderation in P&N .. and of course ZERO moderation in Video which appealed to me far more at the time because i was really just getting into graphics HW in '04 [weird, i know]

You have to realize that i often play "devils advocate" and will post my most controversial and off-the-wall analysis just to get a good discussion. And i [almost] never post "fluff' that i cannot at least back up with more than simple opinion [as it would be perceived as such and attacked immediately giving me much "extra work" to do all of the time]. i like "fighting" from the bottom of the biggest *dogpile* that anyone can possibly imagine - and if the discussion somehow remains reasonably civil - i have always survived - so far.

Well, i have some new political analysis and ideas that i am using as an exercise to bounce them off other people - as it is much better than analyzing a partially formed prognostication by yourself. i am rarely "political" .. but then these are very unique and challenging times! And i really DO appreciate the discussion.
 

cliftonite

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: shira
But our TOTAL income tax revenue DECREASED. Why can't you fools get that through your heads?

As to the capital gains "increase," try looking at this little chart, which show that capital gains have DECREASED 15% in constant dollars:

Capital gains over time
In 2000 total revenue to the Federal Government was $2 trillion.
In 2007 total revenue to the Federal Government was $2.5 trillion.

A $500 billion increase is not exactly a 'decrease' in my book.

Also... in 2000 individual income taxes collected was $1 trillion.
In 2007 that amount was up to $1.16 trillion.
Corporate taxes also went up in this period from $200 billion to $370 billion. OMG!!! Bush is collecting almost double the corporate income taxes that Clinton collected!!!!

How can you proove that this is all a result of taxcuts?
 

cliftonite

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: BudAshes
I don't believe in terrorism.
Its a word that inspires fear, something for the masses to gobble up from the media. A few idiots with box cutters snuck onto a plane and killed a bunch of people including themselves. There were no bombs involved or anything fancy. So basically bush has prevented all box cutter attacks since then. NICE WORK BUSH!!!! It only cost billions upon billions of dollars...
I don't believe in genocide, it's just a bunch of people having a good time...


Do you really know how stupid you sound with that statement?
19 guys with box cutters killed 3000 people. They didn't just come up with this idea over night, it took years of training and planning to make this happen. The people in charge of the planning would still be out there planning another attack if we hadn't done such a good job tracking them down.

That is at least one thing Bush has accomplished.

None of those people were Iraqis. The leader of the people who planned those attacks (Al Qeada) is still alive...
 

cliftonite

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin

Bush DID keep his promises to his real supporters

figure it out

YOU need to figure it out. Every point of yours is complete bullshit, and honestly it sounds like you know NOTHING of what you speak but rather form your opinions based on the opinions of others. Learn to think for yourself for a change.

You sound like a lemming.

What does a lemming sound like? i know .. nope, not like me - i am headed against the tide.

Do you really want me to answer you when you added nothing but ridicule? nor did you read what i posted because you asked me about what i already answered in my OP


--take em point by point if you want .. Bush kept his promises and accomplished exactly what he set out to do starting with the War.
-- but be careful and remember what you are starting .. if you give my post any credibility, it will start to grow in importance in other's minds

Nice empty words. Kind of like SOME of Bush's, although none of the bullshit you spouted.

Now go away little boy.

Why dont you treat people with respect? Or are you too good for that?

I do. When it's given in return. eskimospy for example. We disagree on ALOT of things. But our differences are usually pretty civil.

For example.

i get it
:light:

i think i remember you from Video a couple of years ago and in OT, maybe .. ?
Did i not give you any respect there back then and should i now expect that same disrespect in return from you?

i can't really remember rudely dismissing any of your posts way back then on purpose like you appear to be doing to me right now in this thread. Refresh my memory please if there is anything insulting that i said to you or even something personal i did perhaps that you remember and that i don't. Perhaps it is also something worthy of a long delayed and well-deserved apology if i missed it the first time. And i don't think it is anything i just started with you - other than my freely given opinion which is what everyone else offers here - since i have returned to posting in P&N again for only the past week.


Touche.

You have to understand that so many people give credit to people who dont deserve it. For example, posters in here have accused the GOP of price fixing oil. Some posters actually believe the hatred of Saddaam STARTED with Bush. Some people believe we are economically very very close to the great depression of the 1930's. And on and on and on.
So forgive me for reacting to what seemed to be yet another unintelligent, uninformed post doing nothing but spewing hatred and blame where it doesnt necessarily belong. I know youre more intelligent than that and should have given you the benefit if the doubt.

BTW I dont remember you from the other areas, mostly because I never post in OT anymore (havent in several years), and only occasionally post in the tech forums.

peace offering

Nothing he posted was an attack on you personally. Perhaps you lack the intelligence to see that. (Based on the amount of personal attacks that you resort to)
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: shira
But our TOTAL income tax revenue DECREASED. Why can't you fools get that through your heads?

As to the capital gains "increase," try looking at this little chart, which show that capital gains have DECREASED 15% in constant dollars:

Capital gains over time
In 2000 total revenue to the Federal Government was $2 trillion.
In 2007 total revenue to the Federal Government was $2.5 trillion.

A $500 billion increase is not exactly a 'decrease' in my book.

Also... in 2000 individual income taxes collected was $1 trillion.
In 2007 that amount was up to $1.16 trillion.
Corporate taxes also went up in this period from $200 billion to $370 billion. OMG!!! Bush is collecting almost double the corporate income taxes that Clinton collected!!!!

How can you proove that this is all a result of taxcuts?
Never claimed it was all due to tax cuts.

Was pointing out that his comment about tax revenue decreasing was wrong.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin

Bush DID keep his promises to his real supporters

figure it out

YOU need to figure it out. Every point of yours is complete bullshit, and honestly it sounds like you know NOTHING of what you speak but rather form your opinions based on the opinions of others. Learn to think for yourself for a change.

You sound like a lemming.

What does a lemming sound like? i know .. nope, not like me - i am headed against the tide.

Do you really want me to answer you when you added nothing but ridicule? nor did you read what i posted because you asked me about what i already answered in my OP


--take em point by point if you want .. Bush kept his promises and accomplished exactly what he set out to do starting with the War.
-- but be careful and remember what you are starting .. if you give my post any credibility, it will start to grow in importance in other's minds

Nice empty words. Kind of like SOME of Bush's, although none of the bullshit you spouted.

Now go away little boy.

Why dont you treat people with respect? Or are you too good for that?

I do. When it's given in return. eskimospy for example. We disagree on ALOT of things. But our differences are usually pretty civil.

For example.

i get it
:light:

i think i remember you from Video a couple of years ago and in OT, maybe .. ?
Did i not give you any respect there back then and should i now expect that same disrespect in return from you?

i can't really remember rudely dismissing any of your posts way back then on purpose like you appear to be doing to me right now in this thread. Refresh my memory please if there is anything insulting that i said to you or even something personal i did perhaps that you remember and that i don't. Perhaps it is also something worthy of a long delayed and well-deserved apology if i missed it the first time. And i don't think it is anything i just started with you - other than my freely given opinion which is what everyone else offers here - since i have returned to posting in P&N again for only the past week.


Touche.

You have to understand that so many people give credit to people who dont deserve it. For example, posters in here have accused the GOP of price fixing oil. Some posters actually believe the hatred of Saddaam STARTED with Bush. Some people believe we are economically very very close to the great depression of the 1930's. And on and on and on.
So forgive me for reacting to what seemed to be yet another unintelligent, uninformed post doing nothing but spewing hatred and blame where it doesnt necessarily belong. I know youre more intelligent than that and should have given you the benefit if the doubt.

BTW I dont remember you from the other areas, mostly because I never post in OT anymore (havent in several years), and only occasionally post in the tech forums.

peace offering

Nothing he posted was an attack on you personally. Perhaps you lack the intelligence to see that. (Based on the amount of personal attacks that you resort to)

are you talking to him or to me?
-and why either of us?

i was the poster that he "attacked" .. and i do not take offense as we settled our personal differences .. it's appears he was offended by someone that i reminded him of.

it happens all the time; i get often mistaken for my avatar or username which is aggressive. It is easy or convenient to forget that a poster is a mindless "them" and make it easier to depersonalize and attack those who may disagree with us here. Often we all need reminders that we are 'people' also from many countries and walks of life - with many varying different levels of education, status, wealth, sexual orientation philosophies and religion. We are the equivalent of a "watering hole" in the animal kingdom.

And there is a lot of different ideas and pressure here which leads some to question their own beliefs. Or not. But is ultimately good as we learn to tolerate each others free expression - within reason - and not to include blatant trolling for the sake of causing chaos. Diamonds are evidently createded largely by the action of extreme heat and pressure in darkness - from carbon! We can do something useful here as an analogy if we are even somewhat polite to each other.

i was the person attacked and i consider it dropped. OK?

Personal attacks should be done away from the watering hole .. whoever wants to make them .. anything else is pretty disruptive and *distracts* the rest of us from a potentially useful discussion.
 

cliftonite

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: apoppin

Bush DID keep his promises to his real supporters

figure it out

YOU need to figure it out. Every point of yours is complete bullshit, and honestly it sounds like you know NOTHING of what you speak but rather form your opinions based on the opinions of others. Learn to think for yourself for a change.

You sound like a lemming.

What does a lemming sound like? i know .. nope, not like me - i am headed against the tide.

Do you really want me to answer you when you added nothing but ridicule? nor did you read what i posted because you asked me about what i already answered in my OP


--take em point by point if you want .. Bush kept his promises and accomplished exactly what he set out to do starting with the War.
-- but be careful and remember what you are starting .. if you give my post any credibility, it will start to grow in importance in other's minds

Nice empty words. Kind of like SOME of Bush's, although none of the bullshit you spouted.

Now go away little boy.

Why dont you treat people with respect? Or are you too good for that?

I do. When it's given in return. eskimospy for example. We disagree on ALOT of things. But our differences are usually pretty civil.

For example.

i get it
:light:

i think i remember you from Video a couple of years ago and in OT, maybe .. ?
Did i not give you any respect there back then and should i now expect that same disrespect in return from you?

i can't really remember rudely dismissing any of your posts way back then on purpose like you appear to be doing to me right now in this thread. Refresh my memory please if there is anything insulting that i said to you or even something personal i did perhaps that you remember and that i don't. Perhaps it is also something worthy of a long delayed and well-deserved apology if i missed it the first time. And i don't think it is anything i just started with you - other than my freely given opinion which is what everyone else offers here - since i have returned to posting in P&N again for only the past week.


Touche.

You have to understand that so many people give credit to people who dont deserve it. For example, posters in here have accused the GOP of price fixing oil. Some posters actually believe the hatred of Saddaam STARTED with Bush. Some people believe we are economically very very close to the great depression of the 1930's. And on and on and on.
So forgive me for reacting to what seemed to be yet another unintelligent, uninformed post doing nothing but spewing hatred and blame where it doesnt necessarily belong. I know youre more intelligent than that and should have given you the benefit if the doubt.

BTW I dont remember you from the other areas, mostly because I never post in OT anymore (havent in several years), and only occasionally post in the tech forums.

peace offering

Nothing he posted was an attack on you personally. Perhaps you lack the intelligence to see that. (Based on the amount of personal attacks that you resort to)

are you talking to him or to me?
-and why either of us?

i was the poster that he "attacked" .. and i do not take offense as we settled our personal differences .. it's appears he was offended by someone that i reminded him of.

it happens all the time; i get often mistaken for my avatar or username which is aggressive. It is easy or convenient to forget that a poster is a mindless "them" and make it easier to depersonalize and attack those who may disagree with us here. Often we all need reminders that we are 'people' also from many countries and walks of life - with many varying different levels of education, status, wealth, sexual orientation philosophies and religion. We are the equivalent of a "watering hole" in the animal kingdom.

And there is a lot of different ideas and pressure here which leads some to question their own beliefs. Or not. But is ultimately good as we learn to tolerate each others free expression - within reason - and not to include blatant trolling for the sake of causing chaos. Diamonds are evidently createded largely by the action of extreme heat and pressure in darkness - from carbon! We can do something useful here as an analogy if we are even somewhat polite to each other.

i was the person attacked and i consider it dropped. OK?

Personal attacks should be done away from the watering hole .. whoever wants to make them .. anything else is pretty disruptive and *distracts* the rest of us from a potentially useful discussion.

It was pointed towards him and I only made it an issue as it was a blatant attack for no reason.
 

apoppin

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i guess i am just used to them then .. try posting in Video Forum
- Maybe not; it sometimes gets a LOT hotter there than here
--- P&N is a 'break' for me.
:sun:


 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: shira
But our TOTAL income tax revenue DECREASED. Why can't you fools get that through your heads?

As to the capital gains "increase," try looking at this little chart, which show that capital gains have DECREASED 15% in constant dollars:

Capital gains over time
In 2000 total revenue to the Federal Government was $2 trillion.
In 2007 total revenue to the Federal Government was $2.5 trillion.

A $500 billion increase is not exactly a 'decrease' in my book.

Also... in 2000 individual income taxes collected was $1 trillion.
In 2007 that amount was up to $1.16 trillion.
Corporate taxes also went up in this period from $200 billion to $370 billion. OMG!!! Bush is collecting almost double the corporate income taxes that Clinton collected!!!!

How can you proove that this is all a result of taxcuts?
Never claimed it was all due to tax cuts.

Was pointing out that his comment about tax revenue decreasing was wrong.

Your using absolute dollars to try to say what happened is what's wrong.

Why don't you post something helpful:

- Taxes as percent of GDP *including debt increase* (deferring taxes is still taxes)
- Debt change percent versus GDP change percent

Bonus points: break down the tax changes by income groups
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: BudAshes
I don't believe in terrorism.
Its a word that inspires fear, something for the masses to gobble up from the media. A few idiots with box cutters snuck onto a plane and killed a bunch of people including themselves. There were no bombs involved or anything fancy. So basically bush has prevented all box cutter attacks since then. NICE WORK BUSH!!!! It only cost billions upon billions of dollars...
I don't believe in genocide, it's just a bunch of people having a good time...


Do you really know how stupid you sound with that statement?
19 guys with box cutters killed 3000 people. They didn't just come up with this idea over night, it took years of training and planning to make this happen. The people in charge of the planning would still be out there planning another attack if we hadn't done such a good job tracking them down.

That is at least one thing Bush has accomplished.

None of those people were Iraqis. The leader of the people who planned those attacks (Al Qeada) is still alive...



Where did he say that?
 

AzN

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Bush is wanna be Genghis Khan minus the real might of a ruler. Can't say that he has done anything except let the world see the side of USA that this world needed to see. Thank You BUSH!
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Well he's accomplished what Osama couldn't do...

Destroy America economically.

How has your daily life been impacted by this destroyed economy?

Pretty stupid question. I guess you don't buy gas or groceries.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Well he's accomplished what Osama couldn't do...

Destroy America economically.

How has your daily life been impacted by this destroyed economy?

Pretty stupid question. I guess you don't buy gas or groceries.

He is most likely a child still being spoon fed by his wealthy parents that are probably part of the board of one of the giant Corporations that now own the world, country and the government which has ties to Bush.

He is part of the "Mission Accomplished".
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Azn
Bush is wanna be Genghis Khan minus the real might of a ruler. Can't say that he has done anything except let the world see the side of USA that this world needed to see. Thank You BUSH!

the stupid brutal side that uses "might makes right" as their excuse "for the greater good"?
- the side that excuses water-boarding and torture and other excesses in Iraq on the general population?
-Perhaps your privacy is not so important to you as we are being spied on by our onw Government for no reason

Greater good for who? certainly not mankind - a war of aggression always divides - that is a lesson of history that evidently escaped you.

You also really that making 1 Billion Enemies is Good for the USA?
-McLame also thinks so and is prepared to wage a war for 1,000 years .. if the US can last that long without launching a nuclear armageddon in the Middle East. He has created a war of ideologies as they attempt to artificially force democracy on a people who has never experienced it.

AND the US has embarrassed it self and divided its allies and cannot even capture Bin Laden .. they left the real problems in Afghanistan and went for a Fake War for Oil in Iraq. That is a "good side" of the USA - ignorance and stupidity in Foreign "Policy"??
--WtF?


OF course, if they BUY us, they don't have to blow us up
-interesting reasoning that began back with Reagan's administration and culminated in Mission Accomplished when Bush leaves - the Foreign Mega Interests will Buy US for a nickel on the Dollar - UNLESS we get a smart Democratic Fighter as Commander-in-Chief that can REVERSE it ... there is still time
:clock:
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Follows what he knows is right, not just what some polls tell him.

That's kind of a scary thought, don't you think?

How is that an accomplishment?

Well it got him elected twice. Wishy washy Dems that changed tunes with the polls didn't fare so well. I wonder if the dems can actually stand up and take what should be an EASY election in a post Bush world.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Disposed of a dictator who raped, murdered and tortured his own people for doing the same things we take for granted.

Prevented another terrorist act on US soil and severely damaged Al Queda and other terror cells.

Broke down the barriers between intelligence agencies and stopped looking at terrorism as merely a law enforcement policy.

Cut taxes which increased the amount of money rolling into the government.

Follows what he knows is right, not just what some polls tell him.
Wow. A true believer. In fact, there's overwhelming evidence that tax cuts do NOT pay for themselves. The taxes lost because of lower rates are NEVER made up. That was true under Reagan and it's true on GWB.

Dood you have a puter don't cha? That is just unbeleivable it even makes economic sense.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Follows what he knows is right, not just what some polls tell him.

That's kind of a scary thought, don't you think?

How is that an accomplishment?

Well it got him elected twice. Wishy washy Dems that changed tunes with the polls didn't fare so well. I wonder if the dems can actually stand up and take what should be an EASY election in a post Bush world.

i don't think they will - not with them so stupidly divided

here is my analysis of the only way for a secure win for the Dems:

Obama's Last Chance to Unite the Dems - Cut a "Deal" with Clinton?

it is admittedly a pretty-off-the-wall analysis - it ASSUMES that Hillary will NOT drop out and it will go to the Stupor Delegates - but you might find some insights to guarantee an 16 year uninterrupted Democratic Majority in the Presidency and both houses [and the Liberal Judges and Welfare .. etc. .. so it's not all good ]
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: spidey07
Nice use of googling something that fits your agenda. Here's my common sense and facts..

It is well known that decreasing taxes increases revenue. But good job on using New York Times to prove a point that leaves out facts, it makes my point that much easier when you use that rag as a source.

"Myth #4: Capital gains tax cuts do not pay for themselves.
Fact: Capital gains tax revenues doubled following the 2003 tax cut."
http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/bg2001.cfm

This thread is about what President Bush accomplished and the tax cuts were IMHO one of the biggest and most important things.
I'm not even going to bother researching this because your argument is absurd on its face: What matters is whether TOTAL income tax revenues increase after a tax cut. Even assuming your citation is correct, all you've done is shown that a COMPONENT of income tax revenue increased. But you seem to think that if, say, income taxes on capital gains increase, say, by $50 billion but TOTAL taxes on income (including capital gains) DECREASES by $200 billion, that shows tax revenues went up?

Are you insane?

Nobody cares where the tax revenue came from. If we lowered Income Taxes by 1 Billion but our revenue increased from the Elmer Fudd Tax by 2 Billion, the net tax revenue to the government is still +1B.

But our TOTAL income tax revenue DECREASED. Why can't you fools get that through your heads?

As to the capital gains "increase," try looking at this little chart, which show that capital gains have DECREASED 15% in constant dollars:

Capital gains over time

Why do you keep harping on Total Income tax? Income tax is only part of the equation.

The claim made by Spidey (and others) is that when INCOME tax rates were cut, tax revenues increased. That is a lie (or gross misinformation). And if you want to dispute that, please explain what source of Federal government revenue you want to count other than income tax? Payroll and medicare taxes, where the rates have remained constant, and unemployment rate is virtually unchanged, from the Clinton administration?

Please, tell us what OVERALL INCREASE in federal revenue you're connecting to the Bush tax cuts.
 

fskimospy

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For all the people (insanely) claiming that tax cuts pay for themselves, maybe you should look at the nonpartisan CBO's analysis of cuts to income taxes of all sorts. Their estimate is that the tax cuts pay for at best 22% of themselves. This is in line with simple common sense.
 
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