Has Bush finally given up or become self-aware?

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Nebor
The white house issued a statement the other day saying there would be no quick fix for gasoline prices by the government, and it woud be foolish of Americans to expect such.

The Republican White House seems to be on a different page than the Republican nominee.

And the democrats which sadly means Bush's administration is more in touch with reality than any of the nominee's on this issue.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Nebor
The white house issued a statement the other day saying there would be no quick fix for gasoline prices by the government, and it woud be foolish of Americans to expect such.

The Republican White House seems to be on a different page than the Republican nominee.

And the democrats which sadly means Bush's administration is more in touch with reality than any of the nominee's on this issue.

If you mean the Bush admin is more in touch with the issue of escalating gas prices and that there's no quick fix to the policies of the last 8 years that led to them, then I agree.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Nebor
The white house issued a statement the other day saying there would be no quick fix for gasoline prices by the government, and it woud be foolish of Americans to expect such.

The Republican White House seems to be on a different page than the Republican nominee.

And the democrats which sadly means Bush's administration is more in touch with reality than any of the nominee's on this issue.

If you mean the Bush admin is more in touch with the issue of escalating gas prices and that there's no quick fix to the policies of the last 8 years that led to them, then I agree.

Oh please, anybody who thinks Bush's policies are the sole reason for high gasoline and oil prices are smoking something fierce.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Nebor
The white house issued a statement the other day saying there would be no quick fix for gasoline prices by the government, and it woud be foolish of Americans to expect such.

The Republican White House seems to be on a different page than the Republican nominee.

And the democrats which sadly means Bush's administration is more in touch with reality than any of the nominee's on this issue.

If you mean the Bush admin is more in touch with the issue of escalating gas prices and that there's no quick fix to the policies of the last 8 years that led to them, then I agree.

Oh please, anybody who thinks Bush's policies are the sole reason for high gasoline and oil prices are smoking something fierce.

Solely, no. But you don't get a chart like this with a rep president and a rep congress and them not get the lions share of credit. http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Whats he going to say? Yeah it sucks its as high as it is? He understands, unlike alot of people, there isnt shit he or the senate can do about it.

Nothing.

he understands what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtR4m9Puc8

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Nebor
The white house issued a statement the other day saying there would be no quick fix for gasoline prices by the government, and it woud be foolish of Americans to expect such.

The Republican White House seems to be on a different page than the Republican nominee.

And the democrats which sadly means Bush's administration is more in touch with reality than any of the nominee's on this issue.

If you mean the Bush admin is more in touch with the issue of escalating gas prices and that there's no quick fix to the policies of the last 8 years that led to them, then I agree.

Oh please, anybody who thinks Bush's policies are the sole reason for high gasoline and oil prices are smoking something fierce.

Who said "sole" reason besides you?

There's NO question though that his economic and foreign policies do share a large burden of the blame, as does his Calvin Coolidge-like attitude and lack of leadership towards the situation he has been instrumental in helping to create.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Nebor
The white house issued a statement the other day saying there would be no quick fix for gasoline prices by the government, and it woud be foolish of Americans to expect such.

The Republican White House seems to be on a different page than the Republican nominee.

And the democrats which sadly means Bush's administration is more in touch with reality than any of the nominee's on this issue.

If you mean the Bush admin is more in touch with the issue of escalating gas prices and that there's no quick fix to the policies of the last 8 years that led to them, then I agree.

Oh please, anybody who thinks Bush's policies are the sole reason for high gasoline and oil prices are smoking something fierce.

Who said "sole" reason besides you?

There's NO question though that his economic and foreign policies do share a large burden of the blame, as does his Calvin Coolidge-like attitude and lack of leadership towards the situation he has been instrumental in helping to create.

What besides Iraq can he do to stop the price of oil from rising?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Nebor
The white house issued a statement the other day saying there would be no quick fix for gasoline prices by the government, and it woud be foolish of Americans to expect such.

The Republican White House seems to be on a different page than the Republican nominee.

And the democrats which sadly means Bush's administration is more in touch with reality than any of the nominee's on this issue.

If you mean the Bush admin is more in touch with the issue of escalating gas prices and that there's no quick fix to the policies of the last 8 years that led to them, then I agree.

Oh please, anybody who thinks Bush's policies are the sole reason for high gasoline and oil prices are smoking something fierce.

Who said "sole" reason besides you?

There's NO question though that his economic and foreign policies do share a large burden of the blame, as does his Calvin Coolidge-like attitude and lack of leadership towards the situation he has been instrumental in helping to create.

What besides Iraq can he do to stop the price of oil from rising?

He can't stop it. However his war threw the match on the whole situation. War=instability=uncertainty=increase in futures prices.

There isn't an increase in consumption that would cause the current prices (and the timing of those prices should be noted).

We were all told sacrifices were needed. It was the nature of those which weren't understood.

The hens are coming home to roost.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Whats he going to say? Yeah it sucks its as high as it is? He understands, unlike alot of people, there isnt shit he or the senate can do about it.

Nothing.

he understands what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtR4m9Puc8

No youtube at work. Maybe gimme the highlights?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

A comment was made by the press that analysts have predicted $4 a gallon gas by summer. Bush replied that he hadn't heard about it.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Nebor
The white house issued a statement the other day saying there would be no quick fix for gasoline prices by the government, and it woud be foolish of Americans to expect such.

If that's what they said, then it's one of the first honest and rational statements from them in the last 8 years.

There isn't a quick fix, and to be honest neither party is particularly interested in a solution.

Since afterall... WE PAY for THEIR gas...

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
A comment was made by the press that analysts have predicted $4 a gallon gas by summer. Bush replied that he hadn't heard about it.

Does this have anything to do with whether or not he or Congress can do anything about it?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Vic
There's NO question though that his economic and foreign policies do share a large burden of the blame, as does his Calvin Coolidge-like attitude and lack of leadership towards the situation he has been instrumental in helping to create.

What besides Iraq can he do to stop the price of oil from rising?

He can't stop it. However his war threw the match on the whole situation. War=instability=uncertainty=increase in futures prices.

There isn't an increase in consumption that would cause the current prices (and the timing of those prices should be noted).

We were all told sacrifices were needed. It was the nature of those which weren't understood.

The hens are coming home to roost.

This thread is giving me deja vu. I swear we've had this exact same discussion before.

Anyway, as much as the war has been his economic policies. His admin has intentionally tanked the dollar.
So you have all these factors adding up. Geopolitical instability in major oil-producing regions, increases in demand in developing countries like China, the declining dollar, collapsing housing and banking markets, and excess liquidity being pumped into the markets by scared central banks. The sum total of all this is the next liquidity bubble: commodities, led by oil.

And in the meantime, George W. Bush is asleep at the wheel... as always. Just once -- ONCE -- I'd like him to man up and take some accountability. But no worries, less than a year from now and it will be history holding him accountable. And placing him among the ranks of Buchanan, Coolidge, and Grant.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
A comment was made by the press that analysts have predicted $4 a gallon gas by summer. Bush replied that he hadn't heard about it.

Does this have anything to do with whether or not he or Congress can do anything about it?

For sake of argument, let's say there was something that could be done. In that case one would have to know about a problem in order to address it. He explicitly said he was unaware of the situation. If he does not know, it is because he does not care to know, so indeed he can do nothing.

I don't believe there is a way to put the genie back in the bottle, not at least as far as short term oil prices go, but is is rather embarrassing to have a President not aware of such an issue.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
A comment was made by the press that analysts have predicted $4 a gallon gas by summer. Bush replied that he hadn't heard about it.

Does this have anything to do with whether or not he or Congress can do anything about it?

For sake of argument, let's say there was something that could be done. In that case one would have to know about a problem in order to address it. He explicitly said he was unaware of the situation. If he does not know, it is because he does not care to know, so indeed he can do nothing.

I don't believe there is a way to put the genie back in the bottle, not at least as far as short term oil prices go, but is is rather embarrassing to have a President not aware of such an issue.

OK I agree. Thats not the topic of the thread though, which is what I, at least, was addressing.

adit: well, at least part of the thread

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Whats he going to say? Yeah it sucks its as high as it is? He understands, unlike alot of people, there isnt shit he or the senate can do about it.

Nothing.

If he "understands", then why was the following reported:

Speaking at a White House Rose Garden news conference, Bush said Congress has not passed legislation that he proposed to help ease the effects of the economic slump.

"I've repeatedly submitted proposals to help address these problems, yet time after time Congress chose to block them," said Bush.

Bush said Congress failed to pass bills that expand safe oil exploration that would help to reduce energy prices. The president said his proposal to expand oil production at home would result in about a 20% increase of crude oil production and it would likely mean lower gas prices.

So he "understands" there's nothing Congress can do, but he's saying Congress can do a lot? Hmmm.

Not to mention that expanding domestic crude oil production 20% would take, what, ten years? And by that time, with oil at $200 a barrel (as an OPEC minister today predicted might occur), we'd be paying, what, $7 a gallon? Yet Bush says this domestic change - with results ten years off - would mean lower gas prices? When? In ten years? Is THAT that the hope he's feeding to the American people who are suffering today? Could it possibly occur to him that any normal person would understand the quoted statement above to mean that if Congress gives Bush what he wants, cheap gasoline will be just around the corner? Or could it possibly occur to him that 20% of domestic production is just a blip in global production, and that maybe we'd get a nickel break (ten years from now) because of it? Double-hmmmmm.

Could it be that Bush is WILLFULLY MISLEADING us? Could it be that Bush is ly. . . ly . . . (gasp) . . . lying?

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Vic
There's NO question though that his economic and foreign policies do share a large burden of the blame, as does his Calvin Coolidge-like attitude and lack of leadership towards the situation he has been instrumental in helping to create.

What besides Iraq can he do to stop the price of oil from rising?

He can't stop it. However his war threw the match on the whole situation. War=instability=uncertainty=increase in futures prices.

There isn't an increase in consumption that would cause the current prices (and the timing of those prices should be noted).

We were all told sacrifices were needed. It was the nature of those which weren't understood.

The hens are coming home to roost.

This thread is giving me deja vu. I swear we've had this exact same discussion before.

Anyway, as much as the war has been his economic policies. His admin has intentionally tanked the dollar.
So you have all these factors adding up. Geopolitical instability in major oil-producing regions, increases in demand in developing countries like China, the declining dollar, collapsing housing and banking markets, and excess liquidity being pumped into the markets by scared central banks. The sum total of all this is the next liquidity bubble: commodities, led by oil.

And in the meantime, George W. Bush is asleep at the wheel... as always. Just once -- ONCE -- I'd like him to man up and take some accountability. But no worries, less than a year from now and it will be history holding him accountable. And placing him among the ranks of Buchanan, Coolidge, and Grant.

Bush ain't gonna be joining any existing rank. He's created a rank all his own.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Mursilis
If dumba$$ Americans truly considered it a "serious" issue, they wouldn't have flocked to big SUVs like they did during the cheap gas period around the turn of the century. Anyone with half a clue knows gas is prone to price spikes. Personally, I hope it stays high, and I trust the market will provide solutions enough.

The turn of the century? Definitely yes but what about now? Gas has steadily been going up and up yet when I'm on the road I see no shortage of newer large SUV's and they aren't 8+ years old. People want to complain about the price of gas while they fill their Hummer, Escalade, Yukon, Denali, etc, etc.

 

[Fern]

I haven't heard the speech, but I smell election year posturing by a lame-duck President.

Cliff's of GWB speech (my guess) - "the Dems took control of Congress in 2006. Since then oil prices have risen dramatically and they've done nothing about it". "So, don't vote for Dems in 2008, they suck and get nothing done....".

Sems like SOS to me.

Fern

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I hear that in France the have a name for the likes of GW, i believe they call them Le retarded.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: loki8481
what do you want him to do about it?

He could announce the release of 200 million barrels from SPR and see if that rattles investors. He could bargain with the Saudis to increase production, or he could stand with his thumb up his butt like the last 3 years.

 

[db]

Bush is rounding 3rd base on his way to home plate (in his mind).
He won't stop until he's out of office.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Vic
There's NO question though that his economic and foreign policies do share a large burden of the blame, as does his Calvin Coolidge-like attitude and lack of leadership towards the situation he has been instrumental in helping to create.

What besides Iraq can he do to stop the price of oil from rising?

He can't stop it. However his war threw the match on the whole situation. War=instability=uncertainty=increase in futures prices.

There isn't an increase in consumption that would cause the current prices (and the timing of those prices should be noted).

We were all told sacrifices were needed. It was the nature of those which weren't understood.

The hens are coming home to roost.

This thread is giving me deja vu. I swear we've had this exact same discussion before.

Anyway, as much as the war has been his economic policies. His admin has intentionally tanked the dollar.
So you have all these factors adding up. Geopolitical instability in major oil-producing regions, increases in demand in developing countries like China, the declining dollar, collapsing housing and banking markets, and excess liquidity being pumped into the markets by scared central banks. The sum total of all this is the next liquidity bubble: commodities, led by oil.

And in the meantime, George W. Bush is asleep at the wheel... as always. Just once -- ONCE -- I'd like him to man up and take some accountability. But no worries, less than a year from now and it will be history holding him accountable. And placing him among the ranks of Buchanan, Coolidge, and Grant.

Since you put it this way...do you think his ability to be as dense as possible is intentional (For whatever twisted reason), or we just have a boob as our president?

 

[whiplash willy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Topic Title: Has Bush finally given up or become self-aware?

He gave up on his presidency after reelection, let alone gas prices. What has he done since 2005? You could find any topic to bemoan over inaction.

Yet I submit to you, what could ANY President do to control oil prices? Press a magic button? Destroy oil companies through government take over because we all know how efficient our government is?

I don?t believe the US has control over what the Arabs sell us.

The US Gov has already set the stage for controlling oil prices. Do you think we are in Iraq because we are nice people, and really really Iraq become a Democratic society? Nope, it is because they have the oil we need in order to maintain our current wasteful lifestyle. We need to have a Plan B for when oil prices get out of control, which would essentially destroy our economy and devastate our current way of life.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gas prices are the most pressing topic of importance for many Americans. Bush has opined on the matter in the past and yet has been mum, holding back anything of significance as oil prices have catapulted.

I submit to you that he has either given up or become self-aware, now finally grasping that when he talks about something, things end up worse. Which do you think.?

I'm half surprised a video hasn't surfaced showing Bush unable to figure out how to use a gas pump while simultaneously perplexed at the crazy numbers on the sign outside the gas station.