Has Microsoft's living room strategy panned out?

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American Gunner

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I've heard recently that lots of analysts have called on MS to sell the Xbox division. That, and Bing.

Like, from the start, MS stated that the Xbox was about getting a foothold into people's living rooms. Except, right now MS has a box which costs $500 upfront, and even the last gen consoles still go for like $200. Meanwhile, the AppleTV is like $100 and the Chromecast is $35. Apple and Google are MS's biggest enemy, not Sony.

So basically, the Xbox's high cost means that it's only going to appeal to rich gamers, and not so much everyone else, and so it isn't doing so well in its overall purpose of taking over the living room for MS. Also, my impression is that right now there is less excitement over this next-gen of consoles than there was over the ps3/360 or the ps2/xbox.

Eh?
I fail to see how there is less excitement for the new generation of consoles since both PS4 and XB1 sold over 2 million units in less than a month, the best console launches ever.
 

BikeJunkie

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I'm less excited about gaming in general and I guess I've grown out of being a gamer? I use to game a decent amount. But now I prefer to train and to coach.

Same here. The way I feel after gaming is the same way obese people feel after gorging themselves on a 64 oz. slab of steak: shameful. It's no longer a fun activity, but a way to transcend into a zombie-like state while I wait for a meaningful life event to occur.

In other words, it's escapism at its worst... almost like a fast-forward button on life.

I'm actually selling my PS4 after having had this realization just a few days ago. Even with it sitting here right next to me, I refuse to play it. Every time I pick up the controller to turn it on, I stop myself and use that as my cue to do something worthwhile: hop on the treadmill, go to the climbing gym, play monopoly with my kids. But gaming? Screw that.

I'm not knocking it, though. This is just where it's ended up for me... at the end of the line. I know people who truly enjoy it and it's more than just a "kill the next two hours for me because I don't want to count the dots on the celing," but that's what's it's become for me: nothing but a time waster.
 

American Gunner

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Lol, sounds like you are pretty jaded. I do a lot of "meaninful" things during the evenings with my kids, and then enjoy gaming with some friends in a party during the night, after my kids have went to bed.
 

purbeast0

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don't lie, you're selling your ps4 because there are hardly any games worth playing on it.

/sarcasm (kind of)

i do find it kind of odd that you think video games are a waste of time but have no problem playing a board game. in the end they are both forms of entertainment coming in a game format.

i play quite a lot of games, but i also do a lot of "productive" things (as you seem to be implying is all you do with your free time, other than playing games with your kid) in my spare time.
 

smackababy

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i do find it kind of odd that you think video games are a waste of time but have no problem playing a board game. in the end they are both forms of entertainment coming in a game format.

Even more odd is they think gaming is a waste of time, but the time they spend giving their opinion on an internet forum is somehow not.
 

blackdogdeek

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Lol, sounds like you are pretty jaded. I do a lot of "meaninful" things during the evenings with my kids, and then enjoy gaming with some friends in a party during the night, after my kids have went to bed.

Same here. I play after the kids go to bed. There's not much else you can do in a quiet house. I could probably read but I do that plenty on the bus.
 

Wingznut

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i do find it kind of odd that you think video games are a waste of time but have no problem playing a board game. in the end they are both forms of entertainment coming in a game format.
To be fair, playing a board game with your kids is very different than playing a video game by yourself.

As for gaming... It's entertainment. If properly jaded, one could argue that any entertainment is a waste of time.
But entertainment is an important part of leading a balanced life. To drill down even further, a variety of entertainment is more important.

Watch a movie, watch a sporting event, read a book, play a card game, play a video game, debate on an internet forum, play golf, window shop, etc. Enjoy life.

The problem with proclaiming it a "waste of time" in a gaming forum, is that it passively aggressively insulting everyone who plays video games as a hobby. Kind of like going into a TV forum and talking about how that is nothing but a waste of time.
 

smackababy

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To be fair, playing a board game with your kids is very different than playing a video game by yourself.

But, what is the difference between playing a board game with your kids and playing a video game with them? While I can understand certain games might be more educational and help develop quick math skills, pretty much every other pro I can think of (besides perhaps imagination building?), a video game accomplishes the same as a board game.
 

blackdogdeek

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But, what is the difference between playing a board game with your kids and playing a video game with them? While I can understand certain games might be more educational and help develop quick math skills, pretty much every other pro I can think of (besides perhaps imagination building?), a video game accomplishes the same as a board game.

My wife once played Just Dance with the girls on the Wii. She somehow hurt herself during one of the moves and was sore for several days afterwards.

Now, she only plays board games with them.
 

Wingznut

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But, what is the difference between playing a board game with your kids and playing a video game with them? While I can understand certain games might be more educational and help develop quick math skills, pretty much every other pro I can think of (besides perhaps imagination building?), a video game accomplishes the same as a board game.
Oh, it's definitely different... It's just a very different level of interaction. I can't really think of a better way to explain it.

Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not at all on the side of anti-video games.
 

smackababy

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My wife once played Just Dance with the girls on the Wii. She somehow hurt herself during one of the moves and was sore for several days afterwards.

Now, she only plays board games with them.

My GF once hurt herself trying to practice twerking to show me. I am sure she regrets telling me.

Oh, it's definitely different... It's just a very different level of interaction. I can't really think of a better way to explain it.

Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not at all on the side of anti-video games.

Is it really different though? I mean, like playing Risk on the table vs on the TV.
 
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Wingznut

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Is it really different though? I mean, like playing Risk on the table vs on the TV.
Yes. Have you never played board games and video games with kids you are invested in? I presume you aren't a parent, so how about nieces or nephews?
 

smackababy

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Yes. Have you never played board games and video games with kids you are invested in? I presume you aren't a parent, so how about nieces or nephews?

I haven't. I've only played board games with friends. My parents did things like read to me and once I was old enough to do that myself, did more art and music rather than games. Otherwise, left me to my own devices.
 

Wingznut

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As a parent of two teenage boys, you'll just have to take my word for it. I have no dog in this fight, just giving my perspective.
 

blackdogdeek

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Is it really different though? I mean, like playing Risk on the table vs on the TV.

It is hard to explain but I would say there is a level of intimacy that is missing in the interaction from a board game in which all participants face each other and a video game in which all participants face the same direction. In the former, the board game feels like a tool used to engage the other players, whereas, in the latter, the game feels like it has a more substantial status in the experience which in some way detracts from the engagement; like there is now another level of insulation that creates a slight disconnect between the players.
 

ImpulsE69

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I think what he's getting at is there is much more human interaction/conversation/back and forth with a board game than playing on TV. I know maybe to some it might seem subtle, but there is a large difference. When playing on TV you are staring at the TV, not the person you are playing with. Sure you might make a comment here or there during the game, but you aren't really interacting with "them" you are interacting with the screen.
 

blackdogdeek

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I think what he's getting at is there is much more human interaction/conversation/back and forth with a board game than playing on TV. I know maybe to some it might seem subtle, but there is a large difference. When playing on TV you are staring at the TV, not the person you are playing with. Sure you might make a comment here or there during the game, but you aren't really interacting with "them" you are interacting with the screen.

lol, great minds...
 

Wingznut

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It is hard to explain but I would say there is a level of intimacy that is missing in the interaction from a board game in which all participants face each other and a video game in which all participants face the same direction. In the former, the board game feels like a tool used to engage the other players, whereas, in the latter, the game feels like it has a more substantial status in the experience which in some way detracts from the engagement; like there is now another level of insulation that creates a slight disconnect between the players.
I think what he's getting at is there is much more human interaction/conversation/back and forth with a board game than playing on TV. I know maybe to some it might seem subtle, but there is a large difference. When playing on TV you are staring at the TV, not the person you are playing with. Sure you might make a comment here or there during the game, but you aren't really interacting with "them" you are interacting with the screen.
Well said. I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
 

desura

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Many analysts have made the monumentally incorrect assertion that because mobile gaming is growing console gaming must die, as if the pie cannot grow. It can, and is. purebeast is right console gaming is bigger than it ever has been, and these new-gen sales are the best we've ever seen. As far as MS's strategy I'm not sure what their end goal was. If it was simply to get a piece of hardware attached to the TV yes the xbox is a terrible way to do it because there are many devices at a small fraction of the cost to do it.The launch lineup mostly sucks on both consoles. Just as it has on every console to ever come out going back basically forever. Games like Super Mario sold the NES (and for good reason, hot damn that was awesome back then), but with few exceptions like that, or Wii sports, I can't think of any killer must-have for xbox, 360, ps1, ps2, ps3.

Look at the Wii U, and lackluster sales of the 3DS.

This is all because of Apple.

And you know what? with appleTV you can play iOS games on the big screen, and that I've realized is their console strategy...and looking at the incredible rate of advancement in iOS processing...in a few years it will threaten these consoles.

...and anyone have any idea just how powerful the newest a7 is in comparison to x86 CPU's and desktop GPU's? If I had to guess, it's as powerful as a mid-range computer from like 2006
 
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purbeast0

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yeah, but why does it have to be one or the other? why can't you play board games with your kid, AND play video games with your kid? BikeJunkie just came off as way too black and white.

"i dont waste my times on stupid things like video games, i have to better myself like go exercise or spend times with my kids at all times!"

i do all of those things, it doesn't have to be only one or the other.
 

smackababy

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yeah, but why does it have to be one or the other? why can't you play board games with your kid, AND play video games with your kid? BikeJunkie just came off as way too black and white.

"i dont waste my times on stupid things like video games, i have to better myself like go exercise or spend times with my kids at all times!"

i do all of those things, it doesn't have to be only one or the other.

Nope. One or the other. That is how this forums works! You're either all in one thing or completely against it. Can't spend time with your kids and play games; can't have a PS4 and an Xbox One; can't drive an M3 and be a good person.


Okay, the last one is actually true. But, you get the point. >_<
 

desura

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yeah, but why does it have to be one or the other? why can't you play board games with your kid, AND play video games with your kid? BikeJunkie just came off as way too black and white.

"i dont waste my times on stupid things like video games, i have to better myself like go exercise or spend times with my kids at all times!"

i do all of those things, it doesn't have to be only one or the other.

There are only 24 hours in a day, and 1/4 to 1/3rd of it should be spent asleep.

But yeah, I myself am a little burnt out by gaming, not to mention that with steam sales etc there are a number of *very good games* which I simply have not gotten to. Like, there are games that I purchased a year ago which still haven't been played...

Then again, the main cost of gaming isn't so much the purchase price of the equipment itself...but rather the time and attention spent...
 

BikeJunkie

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Lol, sounds like you are pretty jaded. I do a lot of "meaninful" things during the evenings with my kids, and then enjoy gaming with some friends in a party during the night, after my kids have went to bed.

I'm jaded because I no longer find value in playing videogames because they produce zero value to me? Sounds more like enlightenment to me. Maybe I just hit a nerve

i do find it kind of odd that you think video games are a waste of time but have no problem playing a board game. in the end they are both forms of entertainment coming in a game format.

You obviously don't have kids.

To me, an hour playing videogames is an hour I'm not spending time with my kids, my wife, working out, learning something new, etc. No need to get defensive about it. Just accept that we're different. For me, it's a complete waste of time. If it's not a complete waste of time to you, then good for you.
 

BikeJunkie

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yeah, but why does it have to be one or the other? why can't you play board games with your kid, AND play video games with your kid? BikeJunkie just came off as way too black and white.

"i dont waste my times on stupid things like video games, i have to better myself like go exercise or spend times with my kids at all times!"

i do all of those things, it doesn't have to be only one or the other.

No, you're just being overly defensive, which is clouding your comprehension of what I said. Maybe you missed this:

I know people who truly enjoy it and it's more than just a "kill the next two hours for me because I don't want to count the dots on the celing," but that's what's it's become for me: nothing but a time waster.

I never said this applied to everyone or implied that vg's were a waste of time for everyone across the board. Just for me. I was pretty darn clear about that. If you choose to read too far into it, that's not my problem.
 
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