If you're a parent, do you give your kids everything they ask for?
Sometimes, requests are denied....its simple logic. Unless you think God should either answer or reject all prayers, but things simply do not work that way, and logically and consistently cannot.
Case in point, what if you wronged someone and they prayed you die instantly, a horrible painful and slow death? Should that prayer be answered?
I say no! I'm glad some prayers are unanswered because of the vindictive and evil crap people have prayed for.
Yeah, unanswered means "I'm not fulfilling said request" not "I am not responding".
I didn't say God has limits, I said God says "no".
What, you think every prayer should be answered to prove God is limitless?
Do you have to give your kids everything they ask for to prove you have the ability to fulfill said request?
By "prayer is answered", you really mean "prayer made stuff change". But "No, I'm not going to change your random number" is an answer. It's not the outcome you wanted, but it's still an answer.
"No I'm not going to do anything" is not an answer, that's the lack of an answer. The lack of an answer is no different than the prayer not doing anything.
God didn't cause the terrorists to sin. The terrorists chose to take the lives of the innocent. Sin has negative consequences for us and for those around us.
As for why God didn't swoop in like some astral superhero and save the people on those planes, I can't answer that question. I will repeat this, however: Death isn't the big bad boogeyman that we should all fear. Death is simply the transition from this life to the next.
I agree - those people on the plane during 9/11, praying it wouldn't strike the building, obviously were being dumb kids praying for their lives. God obviously followed the better prayer, the jihadist flying the plane. Good thing the people on the plane praying to live had their prayers go unanswered, right?
So "No" is not an answer? I hope my kids never try to use that logic on me.
"I want something, Dad!"
"No."
"That's not an answer because nothing changed! Wah!"
So "No" is not an answer? I hope my kids never try to use that logic on me.
"I want something, Dad!"
"No."
"That's not an answer because nothing changed! Wah!"
Ah, so exploit the murder of thousands of people and making light of the situation to add credence to a point about prayer.
That'll win you an argument every single time.
I hope everyone see's how low an atheist will stoop to affirm his faith.
God didn't cause the terrorists to sin, but he answered their prayers when they prayed to take the lives of a few thousand infedels. To the terrorists, they weren't sinning. God was on their side, 404 sin not found.
I can guarantee you that God wasn't "granting their wish" to kill innocent people. At least, the God I worship doesn't allow that. Perhaps Allah does, but Jehovah God does not.
This is more akin to:
"I want something, Dad!"
* no answer, crickets, 404 Dad not found *
"nothing changed, wah!"
Interpret it however you want, Jud. I'm not going to try to convince you that God exists and answers prayer. You'll either have faith that He exists or you won't. That's your free-will prerogative.
Guess what - there are multiple Gods. Are you saying the God that the terrorists worshipped was stronger than your God then?
Also since when do you tell God what to do? Last I checked you weren't God, yet all of a sudden you dictate what he can or cannot do?
There are certainly evil spirits that take the form of gods. And we choose who/what we worship. If they're worshipping a god that condones killing, then they're certainly not worshipping the Judeo-Christian God.
I don't have a say on what God can or cannot do. I can only point to the Bible that says what God condones and what He does not.
Lol not correct.
You're the one that said "no" isn't an answer.
You ask your boss for a raise, he said "no", say: "that's not an answer", he says "well ok, firing you is, then".
Lol -- you can't be this....smart!
Right - so then you have no problem with God answering the prayers of the terrorists then.
I guess some prayers are just more powerful than others, is the gist of your argument.
No; I'm saying that my God didn't magically grant the terrorists their wish. As far as whether the terrorists' god is "more powerful", you assume that the lives of the innocents were taken for nothing and that they didn't move on to a better place. Or that the killing didn't cause the world to see the hatred and evil that is spread by radical Muslim belief. Or that people shouldn't ever die, nor should we have free will to be allowed to sin - nor accept the responsibility for the consequences of that sin.
(My) God doesn't promise we will be free of suffering, (my) God doesn't promise we will get everything we want in this life, and (my) God doesn't promise that we won't lose our earthly lives someday. But (my) God promises that there is a place in heaven for me. Until then, I'll continue to speak with my Creator God... through prayer.
Let me get this straight:
* You have no say on what God can or cannot do.
- Therefore supporting the terrorists during 9/11 was ok with you.
* You can only point to the Bible that says what God condones and what He does not.
- Therefore you are ok with mass floodings where millions of people die, you are ok with villages being murdered in God's name, etc.. The God in the Bible condoned killing under the right circumstances. If you don't know this, then you obviously haven't read the Bible.
So which God magically granted the terrorists their wish then, if it wasn't (your) God? The God of the Bible had no problem with massacring tribes of people for not believing in him, so obviously it's not the God of the Bible that is (your) God.