Has SETI GUI v2.04 finally been blocked? & get V3.0 here

[JWMiddleton]

Assim1: The results.log of Setiq does not include the angle-range; thus, it isn't of much use. I will still be glad to convert the file to an Excel spreadsheet if you want it. Up kinda late, eh?

 

[Poof]

Assim1 - I live in Philadelphia, PA (US). And I'm about the same distance from the Atlantic ocean as you are from the North Sea - but those ocean storms (we call 'em "Nor'easters&quot are the ones that kick our butts with feet of snow). Then we send them up to Nova Scotia where they head over to you via the jetstream...

JWMiddleton - in my case, I have Setiq keep all my results files and can check the results.log to match up to a result. BUT! I discovered the "find" command (similar to linux's "grep&quot in win2K (where my Setiq runs) and pulled the results info from every result file I had (for results after a certain date that would be the 3.0x ones and looking specifically for the string "angle range&quot, into a text file. Once I got that text file, I could pull it into a spreadsheet.

 

[Robor]

Comments edited for taste.

Rob

 

[Poof]

Assim1... below I've cut and paste a post from Beyond, from my Nov. Ars thread that discussed 3.0x benchmarking and eventually led to the discovery. It illustrates what I've been talking about (hopefully it'll format okay...):


<< roelof:
Your times indicate that the machine in question is in general use. Below are the 34 .417 angle range WUs that my Duron has done in the last month. These are ALL the .417 results for this time period. This machine gets very light use other than running s@h:

10/27/2000 1:23:00 PM 0.417 4.500
10/28/2000 11:34:25 AM 0.417 4.499
10/29/2000 4:23:15 PM 0.417 4.495
10/30/2000 10:39:46 PM 0.417 4.500
11/01/2000 5:35:33 AM 0.417 4.500
11/01/2000 11:12:13 PM 0.417 4.498
11/02/2000 3:41:54 AM 0.417 4.492
11/02/2000 8:11:27 AM 0.417 4.491
11/02/2000 5:07:03 PM 0.417 4.494
11/02/2000 9:36:43 PM 0.417 4.491
11/03/2000 2:06:14 AM 0.417 4.490
11/04/2000 3:53:40 AM 0.417 4.494
11/05/2000 8:45:03 AM 0.417 4.497
11/06/2000 6:18:52 AM 0.417 4.493
11/07/2000 12:01:02 PM 0.417 4.495
11/07/2000 8:59:08 PM 0.417 4.497
11/08/2000 5:43:57 AM 0.417 4.495
11/08/2000 10:14:21 AM 0.417 4.495
11/08/2000 10:51:32 PM 0.417 4.493
11/09/2000 3:41:01 AM 0.417 4.492
11/09/2000 11:49:27 AM 0.417 4.489
11/09/2000 4:18:55 PM 0.417 4.488
11/10/2000 12:53:48 AM 0.417 4.488
11/10/2000 9:02:21 AM 0.417 4.488
11/11/2000 2:50:59 AM 0.417 4.488
11/11/2000 7:20:57 AM 0.417 4.490
11/12/2000 2:15:51 AM 0.417 4.504
11/12/2000 6:46:15 AM 0.417 4.504
11/12/2000 3:45:55 PM 0.417 4.504
11/13/2000 4:54:21 AM 0.417 4.507
11/14/2000 5:15:57 AM 0.417 4.507
11/18/2000 1:28:14 PM 0.417 4.500
11/19/2000 7:27:14 AM 0.417 4.502
11/21/2000 4:08:52 PM 0.417 4.507

The above results are cut and pasted from SetiSpy's result.log. Notice the LARGEST variation is from 4h29m15s to 4h30m24s, only 1m9s, which is under 1/2 of one percent variation.

This is even more predictable than I previously thought. I think it is fairly safe to assume that angle range is the ONLY predictor of WU time on a configuration stable dedicated machine running a given OS.

Regards/Beyond
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In the above, the last column of values are WU times with the 3.00 CLI. Supposedly the 3.03 only extends the drift range from +/- 10Mhz to +/- 20Mhz (basically scanning at a wider frequency range). We also understand that the 0.417 is supposedly carrying out &quot;all&quot; of the various calcs including looking for gaussians and pulses (which is also why it was selected as a new benchmark unit). There is supposedly no gaussian/pulse search on ARs > 3.2 I believe, and the old bench unit was a 6.718...

All of this was discussed in this thread and some others.

 

[narzy]

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[JWMiddleton]

Narzaroonie: The fact that there IS that slightest chance that we can find an Alien is what keeps SETI going, with the STATS providing the immediate gratification.

I thought that RC5-64 did show the strength of 64-bit encryption. If tens of thousands of computers have been working on this project for years and they still haven't cracked the code, then the kid down the street, or the Russian Mafia, can't do it in a few hours or days. Thus, showing the strength of 64-bit encryption.

 

[Assimilator1]

Narzy

with seti number 1 if there is ET is it smart enough to send a signal, and number 2 why in the world would it want to talk to us?...
That's not taking into account accidental stray signals.Also I realise this is no short term project(SETI in general) &amp; the odds are small.
BTW even if this veraity of SETI@home isn't the 1 to find ET ,it's started the search on a larger scale &amp; hopefully will improve as time passes &amp; keeps the interest going.
The reasons I do it is basically if you don't look you'll never find it ,&amp; I want to be part of THE search, even if it has its flaws.

 

[Hellburner]

Narzy, who uses 64bit encryption? Didn't that go out a few years back. My browser is 128bit and the last I heard banks and such used 512bit and 1024bit encryption...

Now SETI... :What is SETI?

 

[narzy]

ya know I may be flawed here so Im going to pull out of the argument, I am sorry for any unrest I have caused

/me is ashamed

 

[Poof]

narzy - there shouldn't be any argument necessary. Folks will run what they want for whatever reasons they want. I'm running 3 different projects (seti, RC5, folding). I've been building machines, not only to learn how to build them but knowing the result will be that they will contribute to these projects.

Man... if I had half your energy...

 

[JWMiddleton]

Narz: After all is said and done, we still love you man!

 

[networkman]

On the subject of what kind of signal SETI is looking for - most importantly, we're looking for a signal that repeats and can be verified by multiple sources as not being natural in origin as would be the case with pulsars, quasars and other sources.

The signals that we eventually will find, be it next week or next century, may very well be mundane transmissions similar to the TV broadcast signals that our own planet has been generating for decades.

The point is we should look and we must start somewhere.

 

[narzy]

sorry for all the .'s I just didn't wanna leave all the crap I said up...

one thing I have learned about TA is that we forgive and move on a little smarter and a hell of a lot more enthousastic (spealing) I've said it before and Ill say it again. I love you guys

 

[Poof]

Awwww.....

/me gives narzy a little smooch on the forehead
(knowing he's still jailbait.... )

 

[Assimilator1]

Narzy

No hard feelings

 

[Fardringle]

I may have just made this up in a sleep-deprived delirium, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Berkeley was planning to use the results we are mapping to not only search for ET signals, but to enhance the known star maps with radio signal data and whatever other information we find to make the known galaxy more than 'just a bunch of dots' on a map..

Anyone else heard this? If so, where can this info be found, since I can't find it on the SETI site and I'm almost certain I read it somewhere recently...

Also, if they ARE using our results for this purpose, then it's not at all a worthless project, even if we never find a signal, since we're contributing to the mapping of space. Granted, this isn't as cool as actually finding someone out there, but still pretty interesting and useful..

 

[networkman]

That was my understanding too, or at least that the info could be used to either verify or hunt for other radio emitting sources such as quasars and pulsars and the like.

I'm on the hunt for that info now.

 

[Poof]

As for some supplemental info, there are bits and pieces here and here.

Basically, info on other uses of the data has come in science news articles that have been posted around the net over the past year...

 

[Assimilator1]

Thanks for the link Poof ,some very interesting info ,including this.....

SETI@home's original goal was to analyze two years' worth of recorded data (roughly 100 million work units). But in August 2000, The Planetary Society announced that it will channel major new funding into SETI@home so it can continue beyond the original time limit and expand into new areas. The project is receiving $1 million from OneCosmos Network, a new, $23 million media venture founded by Ann Druyan (the late Carl Sagan's wife and collaborator) and Silicon Valley entrepreneur Joe Firmage. Another $600,000 is coming from the University of California at Berkeley. How will the money be used? &quot;We'd like to cover more frequencies and more of the sky,&quot; says Werthimer. Accordingly, SETI@home plans to start analyzing data collected by a radio telescope in the Southern Hemisphere starting in 2001. A likely source for this data will be the Southern SERENDIP project in Australia (described below). &quot;We will also continue to use Arecibo, but maybe on other bands,&quot; Werthimer says. With a big future in view, SETI@home has been hiring more personnel.

That's the 1st confirmation I personally have seen of SETI's extension!

 

[Sukhoi]

If SETI plans to do that they better use some of that money to get more bandwith to their servers, or use multiple servers like DNet.

 

[Poof]

What they need is several mirrored WU servers, spread around the world and connected via &quot;interent2&quot; (or whatever they call it that utilizes ip6 protocols), each initially starting out with an identical set of WUs for distribution. That way, you automatically have in place, your method verification by having the duplicates spread around a bit.

And rather than coming onto the campus net to get work and stats, you only go to Berkeley for the stats. The results will come to them via that high-speed link between the remote WU servers, using their own connection, and bypassing the campus circuit....

Nahhhh.... that'd make too much sense...

 

[AtomClock]

Why are you guys running Seti if it is not for the science? The AT stats should only be a secondary consideration after the real goal of SETI. Hence, everyone should be emidiately switching to version 3.03.

 

[Assimilator1]

I never said I wasn't doing it for the science (even if it has some flaws).
I'm keeping v3.0 until the cut off to help TA.