Question Has the consumer gaming GPU technology timeline lost it's way? Where are the AFFORDABLE 16GB VRAM cards to choose from?

[VirtualLarry]

Some possible hope for prices to come down.

Right now just seems like a bad time to buy. Lucky me that I've got a couple of 5900X CPU rigs with 64GB of DDR4-3200 in them, that need decent GPUs (at least, one of them does), to become my "main rig" to get back into some slight gaming.

I have a couple of 4K UHD TVs using as monitors over HDMI2.0 @ 60FPS. No real HDR to speak of.

Was thinking about a RX 6800 / 6800 XT, but I still can't stomach paying $600 for one. Maybe $300-350.

WTF prices are still like mining is a thing, is beyond me. RTX 4090 IS profitable to mine with, if you don't mind an ROI of like 10 years.

 

[Golgatha]

I wish that were true. Remember, EVGA threw in the towel on GPU's. Nvidia is still making huge profits.

Totally anecdotal evidence here, but it seems like the same stock of RTX 4000 and AMD 7900 series have been sitting on the shelves for months at my local Micro Center. I don't feel like anyone is making money at this time. The early adopters got their cards and everyone else is waiting it seems like to me.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Totally anecdotal evidence here, but it seems like the same stock of RTX 4000 and AMD 7900 series have been sitting on the shelves for months at my local Micro Center. I don't feel like anyone is making money at this time. The early adopters got their cards and everyone else is waiting it seems like to me.

Yep, pretty-much my opinion as well.

 

[VirtualLarry]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-rx6950xt-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930088?Item=N82E16814930088

i DID EEEIT, i pulled the trigger. (Edit: on the GPU purchase)

$630 + tax, for an ASRock RX 6950XT 16GB.

I just felt that RDNA2 was a bit more "tried and true", and RDNA3 still had some growing pains yet. In fact, I had read some reviews talking about performance inconsistencies with the RX 7000-series cards, and that the 6900/6950 might be better purchases.

Plus, free TLOU bundle.

Edit: I guess my timing sucks...

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-rx6950xt-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930088?Item=N82E16814930088&cm_sp=Dailydeal_SS-_-14-930-088-_-04112023

A day later, and it's on ShellShocker for $630 - $30 promo = $600

 

[aigomorla]

If we go back 20 years, a top end card was $200 dollars.

I think your definition of top end and mine are different.
2000 the top card was the Geforce 2 GTS.
I remember buying the ultimate for double that.

Infact i remember always spending more then 200 dollars on the GPU.
Even Voodoo2 was more expensive then that, and that was like half a video card.

Plus, free TLOU bundle.

That game is a complete mess im hearing.
And thats one heck of a great price on that gpu.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I wonder if Intel has people who realize their golden opportunity. If they sell the A770 for cheap, people will buy it. I am talking $250 or less. I still cannot figure why AMD is not filling the market with GPU's like they did with the RX580 several years ago. That was a 8GB card in 2017/2018 and we are in 2023. 16GB should have been the baseline standard a few years ago.

 

[Aapje]

I wonder if Intel has people who realize their golden opportunity. If they sell the A770 for cheap, people will buy it. I am talking $250 or less. I still cannot figure why AMD is not filling the market with GPU's like they did with the RX580 several years ago. That was a 8GB card in 2017/2018 and we are in 2023. 16GB should have been the baseline standard a few years ago.

Intel already have to sell below cost to get rid of their stock... Producing and selling more just means higher losses.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Intel already have to sell below cost to get rid of their stock... Producing and selling more just means higher losses.

It also means higher market share.

 

[Aapje]

It also means higher market share.

It's very doubtful that they can gain meaningful market share without reducing their prices even further, creating even bigger losses.

It makes much more sense for them to just sell that they have while they work on the drivers and then make a more serious attempt with the next generation, if it is any good. If.

 

[igor_kavinski]

A day later, and it's on ShellShocker for $630 - $30 promo = $600

Get on call with their support. They might refund you $30.

 

[No_Huckleberry_1514]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-rx6950xt-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930088?Item=N82E16814930088

i DID EEEIT, i pulled the trigger. (Edit: on the GPU purchase)

$630 + tax, for an ASRock RX 6950XT 16GB.

I just felt that RDNA2 was a bit more "tried and true", and RDNA3 still had some growing pains yet. In fact, I had read some reviews talking about performance inconsistencies with the RX 7000-series cards, and that the 6900/6950 might be better purchases.

Plus, free TLOU bundle.

Edit: I guess my timing sucks...

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-rx6950xt-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930088?Item=N82E16814930088&cm_sp=Dailydeal_SS-_-14-930-088-_-04112023

A day later, and it's on ShellShocker for $630 - $30 promo = $600

Newegg does this on purpose

 

[Golgatha]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-rx6950xt-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930088?Item=N82E16814930088

i DID EEEIT, i pulled the trigger. (Edit: on the GPU purchase)

$630 + tax, for an ASRock RX 6950XT 16GB.

I just felt that RDNA2 was a bit more "tried and true", and RDNA3 still had some growing pains yet. In fact, I had read some reviews talking about performance inconsistencies with the RX 7000-series cards, and that the 6900/6950 might be better purchases.

Plus, free TLOU bundle.

Edit: I guess my timing sucks...

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-rx6950xt-pg-16go/p/N82E16814930088?Item=N82E16814930088&cm_sp=Dailydeal_SS-_-14-930-088-_-04112023

A day later, and it's on ShellShocker for $630 - $30 promo = $600

Pretty decent deal on the AMD version at my local Micro Center. $649 + 5% off with their credit card.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/663223/amd-radeon-rx-6950-xt-triple-fan-16gb-gddr6-pcie-40-graphics-card

 

[igor_kavinski]

Pretty decent deal on the AMD version at my local Micro Center. $649 + 5% off with their credit card.

Seems the AMD overlords have spoken.

ALL RDNA2 CARDS MUST GO!

 

[Heartbreaker]

Totally anecdotal evidence here, but it seems like the same stock of RTX 4000 and AMD 7900 series have been sitting on the shelves for months at my local Micro Center. I don't feel like anyone is making money at this time. The early adopters got their cards and everyone else is waiting it seems like to me.

All the RTX 4000 series has been showing up in Steam HW survey for a couple of months, so not selling that badly. It really seems they showed up faster than did RTX 2000 or RTX 3000 did. Not really seeing much in the way of deals either.

 

[aigomorla]

All the RTX 4000 series has been showing up in Steam HW survey for a couple of months, so not selling that badly. It really seems they showed up faster than did RTX 2000 or RTX 3000 did. Not really seeing much in the way of deals either.

I still think the 3000 series has the worst launch ever.
80% stock in hands of scalpers teaching vendors its ok to mark up msrp an additional 50% because it still makes you look better then a scalper.

 

[maddie]

All the RTX 4000 series has been showing up in Steam HW survey for a couple of months, so not selling that badly. It really seems they showed up faster than did RTX 2000 or RTX 3000 did. Not really seeing much in the way of deals either.

Speaking of Steam survey. Is the coding proprietary or open?

 

[dr1337]

As if your first sentence has anything to do with GPU prices.

And your second sentence? Just...wow. Like that hasn't been a propagandist talking point of conservatives for years already? And it's never been true. It doesn't happen. In fact, the only evidence of it has been conservatives lying about it (such as showing their OWN receipts and claiming it was some other poor person's.)

On that note: where did comments like these come from in the GPU forums? P&N is that way ------->

I come to the tech section of the forums to have a break from P&N...and still have to run into idiocy like this from people who feel the need to interject it into discussions of everything.

Sorry but your post is exactly what you're claiming to be the opposite of. You don't post on these forums often and only interjected in order to continue the political discussion. Frankly accusing them of posting propaganda and directly lying when people buying stuff they shouldn't be on EBT has literally happened, is just so bizarre to me. The extreme amount of gaslight and rhetoric that people like to spin on bulletin boards is exactly why I don't go on P&N on this site. You could have left their inane comment to sit and rot but instead you had to one up their tone and go the extra mile. Nonsense.

This similar mindset to yours is probably why you don't see more people speaking out against Nvidia for clutching VRAM so tight all these years. The problem is always something else to do with the consumer or competition not being good enough. As if the tech press and vocal internet somehow want to believe they can't speak ill of the brand they purchased. When the truth and reality is the company with the most market share is the one holding back. Nobody makes a thread outright naming Nvidia, saying, 'why won't they give us more VRAM?' Instead people only complain universally, as if somehow AMD let alone Intel or anyone else ever mattered to the thousands of people that will only buy Nvidia.

Its just reality, why aren't there affordable GPUs in 2023? Because the largest manufacturer wont give them to you and nobody ever really tries to ask outside of a feeble grumble in the furthest corners of the tech hobby community.

 

[Pohemi]

Sorry but your post is exactly what you're claiming to be the opposite of. You don't post on these forums often and only interjected in order to continue the political discussion. Frankly accusing them of posting propaganda and directly lying when people buying stuff they shouldn't be on EBT has literally happened, is just so bizarre to me. The extreme amount of gaslight and rhetoric that people like to spin on bulletin boards is exactly why I don't go on P&N on this site. You could have left their inane comment to sit and rot but instead you had to one up their tone and go the extra mile. Nonsense.

Yep, that entire paragraph was nonsense, alright. Care to cite these examples of it, "literally happening"? Or are you as full of it as he is?

Doesn't matter, I don't care. You won't cite them (because you can't), and I won't derail the thread further with your idiocy.

Sorry for crapping up the thread @VirtualLarry

 

[Ranulf]

I come to the tech section of the forums to have a break from P&N...and still have to run into idiocy like this from people who feel the need to interject it into discussions of everything.

It appears from your posting history that you prefer the P&N section of a tech forum to the technical sections of it. Odd to complain about politics showing up briefly in the tech sections.

 

[dr1337]

Yep, that entire paragraph was nonsense, alright. Care to cite these examples of it, "literally happening"? Or are you as full of it as he is?

Doesn't matter, I don't care. You won't cite them (because you can't), and I won't derail the thread further with your idiocy.

Sorry for crapping up the thread @VirtualLarry

Right now Iowa is trying to pass a bill that restricts EBT to certain meats and produce, because right now it applies to things like steak and shellfish and energy drinks and other food items that are potentially debatable in their necessity vs. their cost.

I call their comment inane because its obviously not relevant at all to GPUs, the people on EBT are much more likely to be console or mobile gamers. Building a computer has always been something that prices out the lowest common denominators and entry level has always been cut down in ram anyways. Cost of living is indeed going up but hey more poor people doesn't really affect a massive corporation that wasn't getting their money anyways.

You could have delivered a rational reply like this or anything less overly dramatic than your current behavior. Just tellin you as one human to another, but it really isn't sensical to do something you're accusing someone else of.

 

[Pohemi]

It appears from your posting history that you prefer the P&N section of a tech forum to the technical sections of it. Odd to complain about politics showing up briefly in the tech sections.

In recent years, yes. I've been in P&N more than anything. Your point, if you have one? That has not been my eighteen years here. And it isn't "odd" to spot propaganda outside of it and call it what it is, IMO.

Right now Iowa is trying to pass a bill that restricts EBT to certain meats and produce, because right now it applies to things like steak and shellfish and energy drinks and other food items that are potentially debatable in their necessity vs. their cost. ...

...You could have delivered a rational reply like this or anything less overly dramatic than your current behavior. Just tellin you as one human to another, but it really isn't sensical to do something you're accusing someone else of.

Iowa? Really? LOL.
Plenty of other pointless legislation being written, too. It does not mean there is ANY justification for it. I asked for evidence of the behavior/actions themselves happening. That shouldn't be difficult if it's such an obvious issue, right? Right??

If he wants to make comments like that, he knows where P&N is. He just doesn't want to be called out on what he likely knows is false rhetoric, so he takes pot-shots elsewhere. And yes, it was an idiotic comment that he made.

I might be a jerk, but I'm not a liar or propagandist. I see enough of it in P&N...where it belongs.

 

[Iron Woode]

To everyone who has posted after post #66:

Post on topic and not Politics. Leave that for P&N. If it continues, infractions will be handed out.

Iron Woode
Super Moderator

 

[Aapje]

Anyway, the 7800 XT is sure to have 16 GB. Too bad that it doesn't seem to come that soon.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Anyway, the 7800 XT is sure to have 16 GB. Too bad that it doesn't seem to come that soon.

When it does get here, let's hope AMD has learned the lesson from the 7900XT. Price it correctly out of the gate. Instead of getting destroyed in reviews because of the perceived value. Then dropping the price later, after the damage is done, and potential customers have already dismissed your product.

 

[VirtualLarry]

https://www.newegg.com/51risc-radeon-rx-6700-rx6700xl-10gb/p/27N-0081-00018?Item=9SIB86XJRZ1404

51RISC's take on the RX 6700 "XL" 10GB model, $289!

 

[IEC]

https://www.newegg.com/51risc-radeon-rx-6700-rx6700xl-10gb/p/27N-0081-00018?Item=9SIB86XJRZ1404

51RISC's take on the RX 6700 "XL" 10GB model, $289!

Recommend never buying any of these grey market cards.

Ex miner cards that were "cleaned" and new cheap HSF placed on it by unscrupulous Chinese sellers in order to sell it as a "new" GPU.