Has Trump forever dumbed down American politics?

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Jhhnn

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I don't disagree that we need that, but a serious question for you. What on Earth makes you think Trump will do that, or even attempt it?

He's not thinking. He's merely believing. He probably owns Arizona oceanfront that he's never seen.
 

retrospooty

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Or has any fucking clue on how to do it?

My thought when asking was that Trump is in it for Trump, not for the rest of the country. My assertion is that he only cares about Trump, but you are also correct, he is quite clueless when it comes to how the govt. works and it's role in economics...
 

TheGardener

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I have never seen a dirtier presidential campaign conducted than by Clinton. I think she has changed how campaigns will be run in the US going forward. That's my answer to the question that the OP should have asked.
 

Jhhnn

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I have never seen a dirtier presidential campaign conducted than by Clinton. I think she has changed how campaigns will be run in the US going forward. That's my answer to the question that the OP should have asked.

You mean just repeating what comes out of Donald's pie hole? Such a nasty Woman!
 
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Your response is typical of how Clinton is conducting her campaign. So your delivery of a mocking response, instead of providing any resemblance of an intelligent one, proves my point.
sorry I don't have the time or energy to spend digging up the dozens of malicious things drumpf has said and done during this campaign. Plus, it's likely you'd dismiss them, as you've clearly put some serious blinders on anyway.
Have fun Nov 9th.
 

retrospooty

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I have never seen a dirtier presidential campaign conducted than by Clinton. I think she has changed how campaigns will be run in the US going forward. That's my answer to the question that the OP should have asked.

In what way is this dirtier? Presidential campaigns have always been like this. The only thing different, is the "low brow" white trash element Trump brought in. The "dirty" is very consistent.
 

Jhhnn

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Trump is the perfect right wing candidate. I mean, he's so persecuted & so misunderstood, just like the rest of 'em.
 

agent00f

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I think there is a very real sea shift. It may not be permanent--it's always possible to rise above it--but that will take some time and the damage is clearly done. This has already been happening for some time as the GOP has long pandered to these elements: exploiting their fears for votes all the while praying that these same people would just remain as quite as possible, as long as their miserable lives could be adequately explained away by the underhanded machinations of others: blacky and brownie, muslims, jews, liberals. You know, the worst of the worst. I'm not saying this is the republican party, but it is the dependable base that will always vote for them and has been doing so repeatedly for decades now. It isn't controversial, either.

But now they are louder and they are even angrier--and rightfully so--of course their target both remains the same but has also now been turned against the hand that has fed them for so long, so shamelessly. And the liberals are to blame as well, for being so complacent and so willing to accept that these people's frustrations can so easily be explained away by their racism, their ignorance--that they are unhappy for unreasonable reasons so, in the end, aren't really relevant so it isn't worth courting them.

For several consistent cycles, now, it seems we are always telling ourselves that it really can't get worse than this! But it always does, every cycle. Let's hope that this is rock bottom, but I would be shocked if it isn't. When societies go through this type of civil rancor, returning to normalcy means a decent into "interesting times," which certainly isn't something that anyone wants, despite how many of us seem so restless while living in stable, reasonable, "boring times."

I think much hinges on what becomes of the so-called "Trump conservatives" after this election, what becomes of their leader--does he retreat back into normal, civilian life and try to save his brand, or does he pivot to this alt-right icon industry and keep this consitutency going, sewing fear and resentment in these people, convincing them that the Modern USA is a dystopian farce where the true patriots are the ones being punished, their blood and sweat harvested for the betterment of "the elite" that always there to ridicule and impoverish them. It also remains to be seen if both the GOP successfully realigns to become a more moderate, truly conservative coalition of adults and if the Dems and liberals can manage to effectively address the complaints of these very same people.

In the end, it doesn't really matter if large swatch of the population base their fears in fantasy and unreasonable assumptions about the economy and about modern democracy--their pain is still very real to them. Trump is the only one that seems to be speaking to them directly. So what if he's just feeding the beast and exploiting those fears, only making it worse for them in the end? They're clearly here and they are clearly looking to be heard.

Just a heads up that the most comprehensive study of trump fans to date, Gallop I believe, shows that they're hardly poor/destitute at all with an average house income of 72k.

However it is the case that they're very racially resentful even compared to other GOP candidate supporters (survey in economist iirc), esp of how the country is changing with all this "PC" as evident on this forum. So it rather makes sense they're by extension resentful of the establishment that's allowed this to happen.

In short, they're clearly a class above most of the minorities they're resentful of, and it's in their socioeconomic interest to keep it that way. Trump is frankly just more honest than most of his peers in appealing to that preference for the past.
 

MongGrel

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I'm rooting on the alligators, come back and fly over the Everglades more Trump

 

OverVolt

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Oddly enough it was already pretty dumbed down. Nobody talked about anything of significance. When was the last time you heard about the carried interest tax in a debate?

Alot of the stuff the rich would prefer to stay out of the lime-light has been dragged wayyyyy out into the open, including their lifestyles.

I guess you guys would prefer the debates go back to the old style where you just get lied to the whole time.
 

ivwshane

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Oddly enough it was already pretty dumbed down. Nobody talked about anything of significance. When was the last time you heard about the carried interest tax in a debate?

Alot of the stuff the rich would prefer to stay out of the lime-light has been dragged wayyyyy out into the open, including their lifestyles.

I guess you guys would prefer the debates go back to the old style where you just get lied to the whole time.

Go back to the old style? That would imply that there isn't any lying going on now.

The reason nothing of actual substance gets discussed anymore is because one side operates outside of reality (more often then not its those on the right). Its really hard to discuss things in depth when the basic facts can't even be agreed upon.

For instance, what sort of discussion do you think can be had when one side thinks illegal immigrants are pouring into this country, whome a majority, are rapists, drug mules, or terrorists who hate our freedoms?

What sort of debate do you think can be had when one side thinks health care is best left to the free market when that's what we've had for a majority of the time in this country?

What sort of discussion do you think can be had when one side thinks the only reason for gun control is to take away peoples guns?

I could go on but I think you get the point.


Some people, a growing number, believe in an alternate reality.
 

MongGrel

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Your response is typical of how Clinton is conducting her campaign. So your delivery of a mocking response, instead of providing any resemblance of an intelligent one, proves my point.

Considering your post, I'd consider that an intelligent response

Hillary has spent most the time not even responding to Trumps repeated abusive disintegration.
 
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sportage

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Just looking at poll stats.
Hillary has a huge advantage among college educated voters. YUGE!
The concern is that far too many people i.e. Trump supporters will think of the college education as a bad thing.
They'd rather save for another gun or new tires for the trailer. Never for an education and never planning ahead for their children's future educational needs.
If McDonalds was good enough for mommy and daddy, and good enough for granny and gramps, then its good enough for little Billy Bob and Susie Q.
I would hate for people to think that an education and college as a bad thing or as some snooty snobby thing that only rich stuck-up liberal kids do.
But I do see that trend and belief indeed happening.
There is more to life than learning how to use toilet paper and flipping a burger.
Lets face it, stupid people can actually be proud of being stupid. At least in the eyes of the Donald Trump supporter.
If a society of idiocracy becomes the norm for the average American, then China will undoubtedly own our ass come the next generation.
That is pretty scary.
 
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Exactly... I have been saying this all along > Trump is not the problem with the republican party, Trump is a symptom of the problem with the republican party. That problem being the large portion (I think somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 of the party) are uneducated, racist, xenophobe, evangelicals (in various mixes) that take no responsibility for their own lives and want to blame all of their problems on brown people, other immigrants, and/or liberals rather than taking ownership of their own lives.

Your words work for both parties, we live in a coddled society of "It's not my fault, it's his fault I'm with stupid!"
 

zinfamous

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I have never seen a dirtier presidential campaign conducted than by Clinton. I think she has changed how campaigns will be run in the US going forward. That's my answer to the question that the OP should have asked.

Why should the OP have asked the question that you, for whatever reason, think is more relevant?
 
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