Has Xbitlabs already benched Bulldozer?

[BlueBlazer]

Its a recent article, but who knows. They are an very good site though. Easily one of top 3-4 tech sites. Probably a mis statement I would assume. I would be shocked if AMDs new cpus overtook a 990X out the gate. Ther are only few things the 2600K is better at than the 990X, but 990 is seriously a top notch cpu all-around.

From this Sandy Bridge Cinebench and WPrime Performance, anyone can easily see how much overclock required for Core i7 2600K to match the performance of Core i7 970 ($600) to Core i7 990X ($999). Not bad for a CPU that costs 50% to 30% the price of those 6-core beasts. Will appeal to those looking for (extremely) low cost workstation machine (for 3D rendering, engineering, HPC stuff, etc). It would certainly grab some sales away from the 6-core beasts. And you're correct, the caveat is that Core i7 990X is seriously a beast which can be overclocked as well. In its overclocked state, not even the overclocked Core i7 2600K can touch it.

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No biggie, lots of people clicked.

Most likely yes. They set their prices based on decisions made before the actual performance of the chip is even known. Companies have to push their ASPs higher. It takes a relatively long time. If BD is a smashing success then BD2 is where you will see the higher ASP.

IMHO the prices are set after they have evaluated the actual performance, unless of course there is no one else to compete with them (like how Intel is charging prices of CPUs that have no competition, such as Core i7 990X). :hmm:

 

[choliscott]

Using the Thuban as an example, from what I remember & can find, the reviews of those cpu's were released a couple of days before they could be purchased. Notice the date of this review.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-1055t-reviewed

I purchased the 1090t on release date & my invoice was dated 4/27/10

personally I think if Bulldozer was half way decent then we would have some real leaked benchmarks or maybe even a preview from AMD. the fact that nothing even half way official has come out this close to launch gives me the feeling that this cpu fails to deliver.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Well, according to your logic AMD should sell a CPU capable of beating Core i7 990X for less than $300 to please a crowd of fickle budget minded enthusiasts. And in doing so, continue its trend of low ASPs and low profits since late 2006. Thus R&D will be poorly funded for next generation CPUs. AMD does not want to return to the times when it was highly profitable. :hmm:

Just don't. Don't put words into my mouth. Like i said, you mentioned the word speculations so i said i would speculate too, never said it was my logic. Get your crap together. Profit also depends on how much it costs to manufacture each BD chip, SOMETHING neither your or i know.

 

[Vesku]

Seems to me that Xbit is confident Bulldozer will at least moderately beat SB. Hope that includes low thread count as well as high thread count performance.

 

[Piano Man]

That is a great quote, nice find man.

That, coupled with what MovieMan said on another forum (another "trustworthy" source), seems to indicate the exact opposite of what the leaked ES benches (some fake, some possibly real) show:

That BD may in fact be a good processor for the money afterall.

And this article seems to indicate BD may not enjoy success long, but I disagree. If Intel makes SB-E more expensive ($500+ chips), then NO thanks, I'll stay with AMD...yeah it may be faster, but I'm not paying 500 bucks for a CPU, would rather put that into an SSD and video card or SLI\Crossfire setup...

Link to that MovieMan post, pls.

 

[Phynaz]

Most likely yes. They set their prices based on decisions made before the actual performance of the chip is even known. Companies have to push their ASPs higher. It takes a relatively long time. If BD is a smashing success then BD2 is where you will see the higher ASP.

This entire post is incorrect. Price always reflects performance. AMD officials have said so themselves.

 

[Vesku]

Link to that MovieMan post, pls.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...es-Bulldozer&p=4950183&viewfull=1#post4950183

 

[Vesku]

Even if that pre-order price for an 8150 is accurate at ~$266, if AMD is trying to claw back marketshare it could represent aggressive positioning and not sub-2600K performance.

 

[lol123]

Even if that pre-order price for an 8150 is accurate at ~$266, if AMD is trying to claw back marketshare it could represent aggressive positioning and not sub-2600K performance.

I think that's not completely implausible, especially since AMD is paying GlobalFoundries only per working chip.

 

[BlueBlazer]

Just don't. Don't put words into my mouth. Like i said, you mentioned the word speculations so i said i would speculate too, never said it was my logic. Get your crap together. Profit also depends on how much it costs to manufacture each BD chip, SOMETHING neither your or i know.

AMD no longer own any fabs (no thanks to Hector's "fablite"), in fact AMD now has to pay for the wafers/costs (as a customer). Besides that, AMD has to pay IBM as well (for the joint research and process technology). One way to find out is to look at AMD's 10-Q report.

 

[Black96ws6]

I watched some "real" benches.. The AMD holds it's own very well against a 980X and when you kick in the price difference between it and a 980X it's a no brainer.
I'll say it this way, IF I was building a gaming machine I would use the FX8150 and not think twice about it, and buy the family's food for the month with the savings!

Quoted for those too lazy to click the link .

Look at that statement in bold.

IF he is correct, how can you not think BD is a win for AMD?

 

[MODist]

I dunno. I'm not ready to interpret that sentence to say that Bulldozer will be the leader. I read it more like this:

Bulldozer won't be enjoying "whatever leadership they may garner" for long...

How much longer until the benchmarks arrive???

First Bulldozer has to take the leadership. The next question is which position will it perform the best. The 990x is more of a workstation/server chip while the 2600K is a desktop chip. This is reflected in how they score in different benchmarks. To put them head to head is a little bit of an apples to oranges comparison. I think the 8 core Bulldozer chip is designed more for the workstation/server environment and will do very well given the price range it is in. On the desktop space I think the 2600K will still dominate for the price. AMD still has the option to release a 4 core chip in a lower power envelope and bump the clock speeds up to compete in the desktop space.

 

[BlueBlazer]

Quoted for those too lazy to click the link .

Look at that statement in bold.

IF he is correct, how can you not think BD is a win for AMD?

I prefer Kyle's comments. Its all about "overclocking" (and price).

 

[Neutralman]

Quoted for those too lazy to click the link .

Look at that statement in bold.

IF he is correct, how can you not think BD is a win for AMD?

Movieman solidifies that statement later on, saying his next build will be using bulldozer:

"No, but I am saying MY next rig will be green and hopefully the one after that!"

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...-at-8429-MHz&p=4950075&highlight=#post4950075

 

[lol123]

I thought green was Nvidia?

 

[BlueBlazer]

I thought green was Nvidia?

He's are talking about the green in AMD's logo. On a side note, I'm not disillusioned at all, as I can see quite a number of posters here wearing rose colored glasses hinging on Movieman's quote.

 

[MODist]

It all goes to hell when we start color coordinating our systems.

My blue green system can be characterized as operating in the cool light spectrum while being environmentally friendly

 

[Neutralman]

He's are talking about the green in AMD's logo. On a side note, I'm not disillusioned at all, as I can see quite a number of posters here wearing rose colored glasses hinging on Movieman's quote.

Well I mean, hes one of the few people who has seen some actual recent benchmark numbers and will go on record with it. And he didn't earn his esteemed reputation from spewing nonsense.

 

[darkswordsman17]

So what happened to Intel delaying SB-E to 2012?

 

[Piano Man]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...es-Bulldozer&p=4950183&viewfull=1#post4950183

Thanks, I think that was about those benchmarks that Dutch website posted from AMD.

http://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/24619...d-fx-processor

Showed their top line beating the 980x by 2-3% on Dirt3 at 2560x1600, which most likely means it wouldn't beat the i7-2600k, as that is faster than the 980x at gaming.

There's always hoping, though.

 

[LondonBurning]

Hmmm, suddenly I have hope for BD as my next purchase. I could use the $ savings..

Like seriously, why the hell does the Asus Crosshair V cost over $100 less than the stupid Maximus IV-Z68.. They both seem to have the exact same features..

 

[BlueBlazer]

Well I mean, hes one of the few people who has seen some actual recent benchmark numbers and will go on record with it. And he didn't earn his esteemed reputation from spewing nonsense.

He's also an overclocker as well (and runs most his rigs overclocked). I believe Kyle has one in his hands but still under NDA. And I've just gave you the hints.

 

[Vesku]

Yeah, I've been going up and down the BD pre-launch rollercoaster. The current vibe does seem to be these will be good chips for people with aftermarket cooling willing to push past OEM level TDPs.

 

[Neutralman]

Hmmm, suddenly I have hope for BD as my next purchase. I could use the $ savings..

Like seriously, why the hell does the Asus Crosshair V cost over $100 less than the stupid Maximus IV-Z68.. They both seem to have the exact same features..

Yeah I need the $ savings too. I've wanted something in between 2500k and 2600k, too big of a price gap for something like hyperthreading. The MB price saving will be nice too.

 

[nyker96]

arr ha, the proof that BD is a asskicking, Intel terminator is here!!