Has your perception of Toyota changed?

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Delta6Echo

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I have had a bunch of vehicles from different automakers (GM, Ford, Dodge, Toyota, Honda so far) and the 2 Toyota's I had were the lowest maintenance cost and lowest breakage per mile driven.

so to me anyway, Toyota is still fine. What makes me angry at Toyota is their apparent cover-up of the issues. I don't know how much of the issue is media fear mongering, I don't have all the facts yet. So for now, I reserve judgment.

Would I buy another Toyota tomorrow? I would consider them just like every other purchase I make. If the Toyota made the most sense, I would get it. If for some reason, the vehicle took off, I have confidence I would be able to stop it safely if it was required. *knock on wood* Once this is all over, I bet that Toyota will have the most examined and tested drive by wire system on earth with the exception of some planes.

I don't even know what to say to that last part. You're blind devotion to a company that has yet to make any actual effort to remedy a major safety issue is beyond my apparent logical shortcomings.

You are right. Toyota will spend billions of dollars to fix this issue, recall certain models and offer you a piece of mind that "it won't do it again" while boasting that they saved $100M avoiding previous recalls....and Toyota's "new" system will succumb only to that of the stealth bomber. This is insanity.
 
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Colt45

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Once this is all over, I bet that Toyota will have the most examined and tested drive by wire system on earth with the exception of some planes.

Somehow I think VW AG's 12+ year track record of drive-by-wire without any deaths, is more "tested"... but that could just be me.
 

evident

Lifer
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An F250 diesel and a Miata.

I'm not saying they're bad cars (Accord/Camry) or anything, I'm saying I hate boring cars. Hell, I have over $100K of Toyota bonds, I know they sell well and that they're reliable, I'm saying they're appliance like and boring...

When was the last time you heard someone talk about how thrilled they were with a Camry/Accord?


im actually really thrilled with my accord. it does everything i want perfectly.
 

BoomerD

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This just keeps getting better and better...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100223/ap_on_bi_ge/toyota_recall

"Driver recalls 6 miles of highway terror in Lexus

By LARRY MARGASAK and KEN THOMAS,

WASHINGTON – The president of Toyota's U.S. operations is apologizing for the company's slow handling of sudden acceleration problems in its vehicles, saying it took too long to confront the issue.

Toyota's James Lentz, certain to face hostile questioning Tuesday at a congressional hearing, says in prepared testimony that Toyota had poor communications within the company, with government regulators and with its customers.

Also being heard from Tuesday are drivers like Rhonda Smith, a Sevierville, Tenn., woman whose Toyota-made Lexus suddenly zoomed to 100 miles per hour as she tried to get it to stop — shifting to neutral, trying to throw the car into reverse and hitting the emergency brake. Finally, her car slowed down before she crashed.

Smith's description of her nightmare ride in October 2006 will precede testimony by safety experts — and set the tone for the hearing. Toyota executives and the secretary of transportation also will be at the witness table. Members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee's investigative panel will be armed with preliminary staff findings that Toyota and the government failed to protect the public.

Toyota, which has recalled 8.5 million vehicles to fix acceleration problems in several models and braking issues in the 2010 hybrid Prius, is bringing apologies to the hearing.

"In recent months, we have not lived up to the high standards our customers and the public have come to expect from Toyota," said Lentz, president and chief operating officer of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc. in prepared testimony. "Put simply, it has taken us too long to come to grips with a rare but serious set of safety issues, despite all of our good faith efforts."

Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., chairman of the subcommittee, wrote Toyota that the company misled the public by failing to reveal that misplaced floor mats and sticking gas pedals accounted for only some of the acceleration problems. He said the company resisted the possibility that electronics problems were the cause.

And he wrote the transportation secretary that his agency lacked the expertise and the will to conduct a thorough investigation.

Tuesday's hearing, along with a second House hearing Wednesday, present a high bar in the company's attempts to persuade the public it cares about safety.

Toyota revealed Monday that federal prosecutors and the Securities and Exchange Commission are now investigating the company's safety problems and what it told government investigators.

Lentz was defiant on one point, asserting that Toyota is confident "no problems exist with the electronic throttle control system in our vehicles. We have designed our electronic throttle control system with multiple fail-safe mechanisms to shut off or reduce engine power in the event of a system failure."

Stupak wrote Lentz on Monday that committee investigators believe he's relying on a flawed study to reach that conclusion.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, in written, prepared testimony, said his agency will ensure the safety of Toyota vehicles. He added the department's investigation includes the possibility that interference with electronics had a role in sudden acceleration.

"Although we are not aware of any incident proven to be caused by such interference, NHTSA (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) is doing a thorough review of that subject to ensure safety," the secretary said. "If NHTSA finds a problem, we will make sure it is resolved."

Committee investigators have made preliminary findings that the government was slow to respond to 2,600 complaints of sudden unintended acceleration from 2000 to 2010.

LaHood countered, "Every step of the way, NHTSA officials have pushed Toyota to take corrective action so that consumers would be safe."

On Wednesday, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will hear from company president Akio Toyoda, who is expected to speak to the committee and the American public through a translator.

In an opinion piece published by The Wall Street Journal, Toyoda acknowledged that the automaker had stumbled badly.

"It is clear to me that in recent years we didn't listen as carefully as we should — or respond as quickly as we must — to our customers' concerns," wrote Toyoda.
 

bignateyk

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I :wub: my 2008 RAV4. I don't get why noone thinks to:

1) Shift to neutral
2) Turn off the ignition
3) Press the brakes

That said, my next car will probably be an Xterra, but not because my perception of toyota has changed. I just like the Xterra better than the RAV4, but couldn't afford it at the time.

If anyone thinks that this incident is unique to toyota, they are in denial. This could have just as easily happened to any other auto maker, and they are all sleazeballs in upper management, so they would all try to cover up as much as they could.
 

BoomerD

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I :wub: my 2008 RAV4. I don't get why noone thinks to:

1) Shift to neutral
2) Turn off the ignition
3) Press the brakes

That said, my next car will probably be an Xterra, but not because my perception of toyota has changed. I just like the Xterra better than the RAV4, but couldn't afford it at the time.

If anyone thinks that this incident is unique to toyota, they are in denial. This could have just as easily happened to any other auto maker, and they are all sleazeballs in upper management, so they would all try to cover up as much as they could.


Sounds like those "solutions" may not actually work:

"Also being heard from Tuesday are drivers like Rhonda Smith, a Sevierville, Tenn., woman whose Toyota-made Lexus suddenly zoomed to 100 miles per hour as she tried to get it to stop — shifting to neutral, trying to throw the car into reverse and hitting the emergency brake. Finally, her car slowed down before she crashed."

Of course, it could just be that it was a woman behind the wheel...
 

bignateyk

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Apr 22, 2002
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Sounds like those "solutions" may not actually work:

"Also being heard from Tuesday are drivers like Rhonda Smith, a Sevierville, Tenn., woman whose Toyota-made Lexus suddenly zoomed to 100 miles per hour as she tried to get it to stop — shifting to neutral, trying to throw the car into reverse and hitting the emergency brake. Finally, her car slowed down before she crashed."

Of course, it could just be that it was a woman behind the wheel...

Probably a safe bet. Any 1 of those 3 solutions would be enough to slow the car down.
 

IEC

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And to think that the piece blamed for sticking throttle is a piece of nylon intended to increase friction to make DBW feel closer to a cable throttle...
 

MJinZ

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Sounds like those "solutions" may not actually work:

"Also being heard from Tuesday are drivers like Rhonda Smith, a Sevierville, Tenn., woman whose Toyota-made Lexus suddenly zoomed to 100 miles per hour as she tried to get it to stop — shifting to neutral, trying to throw the car into reverse and hitting the emergency brake. Finally, her car slowed down before she crashed."

Of course, it could just be that it was a woman behind the wheel...

Do you know what the word "not" means? :hmm:

C&D did an editorial on this by the way.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q1/shift_into_neutral_dummy_the_toyota_recall_fiasco-feature

Conclusion: People are dumbasses, regardless of what problems the car may have.



^ Get off of your fatasses people and do some foot exercises if you suck at using brakes.
 
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lurk3r

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I :wub: my 2008 RAV4. I don't get why noone thinks to:

1) Shift to neutral
2) Turn off the ignition
3) Press the brakes

That said, my next car will probably be an Xterra, but not because my perception of toyota has changed. I just like the Xterra better than the RAV4, but couldn't afford it at the time.

If anyone thinks that this incident is unique to toyota, they are in denial. This could have just as easily happened to any other auto maker, and they are all sleazeballs in upper management, so they would all try to cover up as much as they could.

Its been done in the other thread but alot of the toyotas are drive by wire, you don't get neutral or turn the car off until the computer decides to let you, the Prius's brakes are even computer controlled, no mechanical link at all.
 

sourceninja

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My toyota is recalled due to the sticking gas petal (an issue that has not happened to me). The real issue imho is the fact that the car sometimes feels like it's being blown by wind on non-windy days (yes I've had the alignment checked many times). It's like the steering goes from loose to tight for no reason.

I've had the dealer look at it a few times and they said no problems were found.

That said, I'd still by my corolla. It was cheap, it runs great, and most importantly, the service I get from the dealer is WAY above the other dealers in my area.

They are simply the best. They will give me rides, free food, massages, etc. They are cheap, quick, and 100 no hassle. I can schedule service online, and if I forget, they send me exactly one reminder card. Compared to the other dealers in the area (I've owned a chevy, ford, and kia) they are simply amazing. I would never own a new chevy, ford, VW, etc because of the service departments of the dealers in my area. I would buy a new toyota today from my dealer if I needed a new car.

When I owned my chevy truck, the dealer seemed to find things wrong that were conveniently not covered by warrantee every single oil change. Amazingly these problems never presented themselves when taking to my father for inspection. With my Toyota, I simply get a little card when I checkout telling me of any issues I may want to consider, which is way different then some guy trying to convince me that if I don't replace some belt I'll be dead in the next week. The only time I've ever been approached direction for a non-requested issue was when I needed tires. The guy came to me to let me know that my tires were very worn and almost completely bald. I walked out and looked, he was right, so I got tire prices. (Ended up using another company for the same tires, only cheaper). Had that been another dealer, rather then a quick "Did you know" conversation, it would have been a "Your car is unsafe to drive" conversation.

I'm sure not all dealers are like that, and I'm sure not all toyota dealers are so service oriented. But based on my dealer selection, and on the fact that service is the most important choice in who gets my business. I choose toyota.
 

Delta6Echo

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My toyota is recalled due to the sticking gas petal (an issue that has not happened to me). The real issue imho is the fact that the car sometimes feels like it's being blown by wind on non-windy days (yes I've had the alignment checked many times). It's like the steering goes from loose to tight for no reason.

I've had the dealer look at it a few times and they said no problems were found.

That said, I'd still by my corolla. It was cheap, it runs great, and most importantly, the service I get from the dealer is WAY above the other dealers in my area.

They are simply the best. They will give me rides, free food, massages, etc. They are cheap, quick, and 100 no hassle. I can schedule service online, and if I forget, they send me exactly one reminder card. Compared to the other dealers in the area (I've owned a chevy, ford, and kia) they are simply amazing. I would never own a new chevy, ford, VW, etc because of the service departments of the dealers in my area. I would buy a new toyota today from my dealer if I needed a new car.

When I owned my chevy truck, the dealer seemed to find things wrong that were conveniently not covered by warrantee every single oil change. Amazingly these problems never presented themselves when taking to my father for inspection. With my Toyota, I simply get a little card when I checkout telling me of any issues I may want to consider, which is way different then some guy trying to convince me that if I don't replace some belt I'll be dead in the next week. The only time I've ever been approached direction for a non-requested issue was when I needed tires. The guy came to me to let me know that my tires were very worn and almost completely bald. I walked out and looked, he was right, so I got tire prices. (Ended up using another company for the same tires, only cheaper). Had that been another dealer, rather then a quick "Did you know" conversation, it would have been a "Your car is unsafe to drive" conversation.

I'm sure not all dealers are like that, and I'm sure not all toyota dealers are so service oriented. But based on my dealer selection, and on the fact that service is the most important choice in who gets my business. I choose toyota.

Have you not been paying any attention to the reports? Please do so unless you do not value your safety. Toyota does not want to do a recall or admit that there is an issue with their cars because that will cost them "money and man hours". They ignored recalls to save $100M....that we know of.

Chevy, Ford and Kia? Then you went to Toyota? Maybe you should stop assuming that they are the only car manufacturers in the world.

Please do not compare any of those cars to the Volkswagen Group. You cannot even mention that list next to VW/Audi, Lamborghini, Porsche and now Suzuki. You picking Toyota over VW/Audi shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. Please do some research before posting garbage.
 

bignateyk

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I don't even know what to say to that last part. You're blind devotion to a company

Chevy, Ford and Kia? Then you went to Toyota? Maybe you should stop assuming that they are the only car manufacturers in the world.

Please do not compare any of those cars to the Volkswagen Group. You cannot even mention that list next to VW/Audi, Lamborghini, Porsche and now Suzuki. You picking Toyota over VW/Audi shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. Please do some research before posting garbage.

LOL. I think you might be a little more blindly devoted to a company than him. I think you might be even more clueless if you think that any one car manufacturer is immune to these problems.

I guess it's just a fluke that Toyota routinely outranks VW in most categories.
 

sourceninja

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If you read my post. It's not the car manufacture that I'm loyal too. It's the dealer.

The same dealer in my area owns ford, chevy, VW, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, etc. I will not consider a buying a car from them. I learned my lesson by how they treat me. This means to consider that car manufacture, I need to drive 100+ miles to buy my car and use jiffy lube to change my oil. No thanks.

I do own a brand new 2010 Suzuki. It is a piece of garbage. My wife loves it however and it is her car. The paint started pealing and it took 3 weeks to get suzuki to fix it. Even then the dealer was so stand offish it left a bad taste in my mouth. They didn't even want to look at the car until I had basically threatened to write the newspapers.

Honestly, I didn't want a Toyota. I bought it because of the service I got when my friends talked me into checking them out. Two cars later I'm still with them because of how I am treated. I'm confident Toyota will fix the problems, and I'm also confident that if need be, my dealer will do what it takes to keep my business. If my dealer also started selling things other then scions and toyota (god I hate the look of scions) I would be considering those as well.

It's a lot like buying computers for my company. We have tried not using dell and we have found that when we have an issue, nobody gives a shit. But when we call our dell salesman and tell him we have problems, those problems get fixed. Because he offers us good customer service. Sun failed at that, a lot of local companies failed at that, even HP failed at that.

Basically, when I buy a car, I expect to be treated like someone who just spent over 10 thousand bucks on your product and not someone who just bought a 30.00 fleshlight.
 
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MJinZ

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Have you not been paying any attention to the reports? Please do so unless you do not value your safety. Toyota does not want to do a recall or admit that there is an issue with their cars because that will cost them "money and man hours". They ignored recalls to save $100M....that we know of.

Chevy, Ford and Kia? Then you went to Toyota? Maybe you should stop assuming that they are the only car manufacturers in the world.

Please do not compare any of those cars to the Volkswagen Group. You cannot even mention that list next to VW/Audi, Lamborghini, Porsche and now Suzuki. You picking Toyota over VW/Audi shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. Please do some research before posting garbage.

VW SUCKS. :awe:
 

AMDZen

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Have you not been paying any attention to the reports? Please do so unless you do not value your safety. Toyota does not want to do a recall or admit that there is an issue with their cars because that will cost them "money and man hours". They ignored recalls to save $100M....that we know of.

Chevy, Ford and Kia? Then you went to Toyota? Maybe you should stop assuming that they are the only car manufacturers in the world.

Please do not compare any of those cars to the Volkswagen Group. You cannot even mention that list next to VW/Audi, Lamborghini, Porsche and now Suzuki. You picking Toyota over VW/Audi shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. Please do some research before posting garbage.

Lol and who is bias? VW has the worst customer service and electronic probelems with their cars. I know the lead mechanic at a VW dealership and he tells me the stuff he deals with daily. He has pretty much told everyone he knows that he would never buy a VW.
 

waggy

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First of all, accident prevention starts with the DRIVER.

Put car into neutral, apply brake, turn off engine.

and as others have said. trying those DO NOT WORK.

when you apply the brake even at 100 mph even with the engine being gunned you are sopposed to still stop THIS IS NOT happening in the toyota's. Also turrning off hte engine is not the best idea either since you lose stearing and breaking (not that it was helping).

same with going into neutral. People were saying it was locking them out of going to neutral.


this is not driver error.
 

maddogchen

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Nope.

My perception of Toyota changed last year when I test drove a Corolla LE 2009. Man what a piece of crap car! Compared to the civic and the mazda 3, the interior was shit!!! Reminded me of an american car. although thank god it didn't have the stupid mood lighting like the ford fusion.

The car had 6 miles on it when I took it for a test drive. I turned on the sound system and when we got on the highway I turned up the sound system even more because of highway noise. Then my driver side door started rattling to the beat of the bass of the sound system. WTF?? door fully closed, windows all the way up, door rattled everytime there was heavy bass. And the sound system isnt even that good!

But after seeing all these attacks on Toyota, I'm starting to root for them again. Go Toyota! You're still better than the United States of GM.
 

MJinZ

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and as others have said. trying those DO NOT WORK.

when you apply the brake even at 100 mph even with the engine being gunned you are sopposed to still stop THIS IS NOT happening in the toyota's. Also turrning off hte engine is not the best idea either since you lose stearing and breaking (not that it was helping).

same with going into neutral. People were saying it was locking them out of going to neutral.


this is not driver error.

Hate to say (no I don't) but... Dumbass.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/ca...dal_media_circus_and_stupid_drivers-editorial
 
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