Haswell-E Reviews

[kimmel]

So? The price is still determined by binning rarity and clocks not those disabled features. There are plenty of 2 GHz Xeons with the same features ticked that are priced around anywhere from 900 to 600 USD.

You are seriously comparing a single socket chip to a multisocket chip? Price is also determined by how much of a pain in the rear it is to validate multi-socket setups.

 

[Darksinnder]

Looks like latency will be holding DDR4 back as a must have upgrade.

Thanks for the link.

no worries, Jay's reviews are great and funny. There are a few other I watch, but he's the only one who's gone into detail about the comparison.

 

[know of fence]

You are seriously comparing a single socket chip to a multisocket chip? Price is also determined by how much of a pain in the rear it is to validate multi-socket setups.

The Intel Ark tool allows for some serious comparisons. E3-2600-v3 generally is dual socket, while E3-1600-v3 just supports one. Thanks for calling attention to this, there is indeed some truth to your claim. Dual socket Xeons appear to be marginally more expensive.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/83361,82767

The comparisons to Haswell E should have been made to the "1600" Family, with my original claim being that the best binned chips still end up as high clock Xeons. To Illustrate this a less conflating example using octa- instead of hexacores with (an extra 0.2 GHz(0.3 Turbo) bump for an extra 640 $.)

http://ark.intel.com/compare/82930,82766,82767

 

[know of fence]

check out this review, has some good info on dd4 vs ddr3. http://youtu.be/-I_qKCSGS4U?list=UUkWQ0gDrqOCarmUKmppD7GQ

You shouldn't give any credence to these embedded advertisement "personalities" on youtube, ever! In fact avoid products that they advertise.
This particular dimwit just compared dual channel to a quad channel testbed, and attributed the twofold increase in throughput to the awesomeness of DDR4. The worst thing is there is no way to tell if this was an honest mistake, or intent to mislead and deceive.

In reality there is barely a difference in performance when compared to quad channel Ivy-Bridge E's(4960X) DDR3.

DDR4 is actually a bit slower at writing.

 

[kimmel]

The Intel Ark tool allows for some serious comparisons. E3-2600-v3 generally is dual socket, while E3-1600-v3 just supports one. Thanks for calling attention to this, there is indeed some truth to your claim. Dual socket Xeons appear to be marginally more expensive.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/83361,82767

The comparisons to Haswell E should have been made to the "1600" Family, with my original claim being that the best binned chips still end up as high clock Xeons. To Illustrate this a less conflating example using octa- instead of hexacores with (an extra 0.2 GHz(0.3 Turbo) bump for an extra 640 $.)

http://ark.intel.com/compare/82930,82766,82767

I linked this before but it's worth repeating. Look at the two die shots. One is labeled for 1600 and one is for 2600. There isn't any doubt just by looking at the die shot as to which one is going to be more expensive.

http://newsroom.intel.com/docs/DOC-5761

 

[rfs830]

I was glad to see thisthread as I am building a new desktop pc. I have not built a pc in almost 10 years as I was only using laptops. The time has come to build a good all in one pc for virtualization\ gaming and video production. The 5920k look like it will do just what I need. I did have one questions though.

I am looking to get 32gb of ram now but may need 64 down the road. It was always suggested to buy all the ram upfront as you may have problems down the road with mixing ram. Is that still a problem?

I was also thinking of maybe just starting out with 16gb of ram.

One final question? H100 or H105?

Thanks in advance.

 

[biostud]

I was glad to see thisthread as I am building a new desktop pc. I have not built a pc in almost 10 years as I was only using laptops. The time has come to build a good all in one pc for virtualization\ gaming and video production. The 5920k look like it will do just what I need. I did have one questions though.

I am looking to get 32gb of ram now but may need 64 down the road. It was always suggested to buy all the ram upfront as you may have problems down the road with mixing ram. Is that still a problem?

I was also thinking of maybe just starting out with 16gb of ram.

One final question? H100 or H105?

Thanks in advance.

It's 5820K or 5930K not 5920K

No problem buying down the road, but it's still better to buy same type.

 

[rfs830]

Ah ya... 5820k. Lol thanks for the info.

 

[jason166]

Is there really separate manufacturing process for the multi-socket support Xeons?

My assumption (Perhaps in error) was they were born with the same QPI links and they were crippled to differentiate them...

I linked this before but it's worth repeating. Look at the two die shots. One is labeled for 1600 and one is for 2600. There isn't any doubt just by looking at the die shot as to which one is going to be more expensive.

http://newsroom.intel.com/docs/DOC-5761

 

[kimmel]

Is there really separate manufacturing process for the multi-socket support Xeons?

My assumption (Perhaps in error) was they were born with the same QPI links and they were crippled to differentiate them...

There are multiple die for Haswell-EP. 8,12,18 cores. I don't know which SKUs map to which die size. However the picture indicates the larger die is the 2xxx series.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/8423/HaswellEP_DieConfig.png

At least this picture would indicate that you get an additional memory controller on the two larger die. Note the max memory size supported is massively different on the more expensive sku, probably because of that additional memory controller. Some of the differences could be actual defects, could be fusing, could be a different die size. The blanket statement of Intel screws you over because they want to blow a few fuses is a vast oversimplification of reality.