Haswell i3-4150 vs FX 8320/e for budget gaming rig?

[Sweepr]

You're running thin on cherry picked charts... Just a single one this time? How about you post a link to the full review? It's funny than the couple instances when AMD can compete, the charts are gospel. And the majority of the time it can't, CPU isn't important.

In the games were AMD CPUs are slower then ''CPU doesn't matter, cranck up AA, nobody games without AA/lower than 1080P, old game, new game but poorly optimized''.
In the few games where their slower but more cores strategy shines then ''CPU does matter, that's what I call well optimized, sign of the future''.

It's funny and sad at the same time. Can't wait to see the same people calling BD/PD/SR garbage if Zen delivers much better performance per core at lower power.

 

[dontsh00tmesanta]

Get whatever you can afford...

 

[Phynaz]

A 4.4GHz is guaranteed on the FX8320E, every FX83xx can OC to 4.4GHz and that is a fact.

The only effort you need to put is to move your hand and press the button Del when in post to enter the bios, then you only raise CPU multiplier to 22 and you are done.

Please show us this guarantee from AMD.

 

[Phynaz]

In the games were AMD CPUs are slower then ''CPU doesn't matter, cranck up AA, nobody games without AA/lower than 1080P, old game, new game but poorly optimized''.
In the few games where their slower but more cores strategy shines then ''CPU does matter, that's what I call well optimized, sign of the future''.

It's funny and sad at the same time. Can't wait to see the same people calling BD/PD/SR garbage if Zen delivers much better performance per core at lower power.

Exactly. If the FX line is so good why has AMD canceled all further development?

That must mean the P4 was awesome.

 

[escrow4]

Or you could stop fiddling around with poky i5s and FXs and buy a 5820K, slap it up to a mild 4GHz OC (for a start) and then giggle everytime someone mentions a CPU bottleneck or 60FPS dips . . . . . . . :awe:

 

[eton975]

Or you could stop fiddling around with poky i5s and FXs and buy a 5820K, slap it up to a mild 4GHz OC (for a start) and then giggle everytime someone mentions a CPU bottleneck or 60FPS dips . . . . . . . :awe:

AC Unity. Nuff said.

 

[AtenRa]

You're running thin on cherry picked charts... Just a single one this time? How about you post a link to the full review? It's funny than the couple instances when AMD can compete, the charts are gospel. And the majority of the time it can't, CPU isn't important.

I thought you were talking about AC : Unity, you want more ??? here you are.

Even 980 is bellow 60fps, the game is GPU limited
http://gamegpu.ru/rpg/rollevye/dragon-age-inkvizitsiya-test-gpu.html

Only the 980 can maintain 60fps, the game is GPU limited with every other GPU
http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/assassin-s-creed-unity-test-gpu.html

You need a R9 290X and above to maintain 60fps, the game is GPU limited for every other GPU bellow 290X
http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/lords-of-the-fallen-test-gpu.html

You need a GTX780Ti to maintain 60fps, the game with a single card is GPU limited.
http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/the-evil-within-test-gpu.html

You need a 290 or 780Ti to maintain 60fps, the game is GPU limited.
http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/ryse-son-of-rome-test-gpu.html

For the millionth time, people on low budget will be GPU limited the majority of the time. And just to get it clear again, im not suggesting the FX is the better CPU. But there are currently games that a two year old FX is on par or faster than a two times more expensive latest Core i5.
That alone should make everyone think again of where gaming is going

 

[AtenRa]

Please show us this guarantee from AMD.

Go look at any FX8350 review in the web and see how high they did overclocked two years ago. Then remember that the new FX CPUs like FX8320E and FX8370E can OC higher with lower voltage than any other FX SKUs.

also, check the links bellow

Average of FX8320 on HWBOT is ~4.7GHz
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/fx_8350/

There are 3-4 entries bellow 4.4GHz, everyone else is at or above 4.4GHz.
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cpu_freq...d=processor_2690&cores=8#start=60#interval=20

FX8320E with a good air cooler can go as high as 5GHz+, it can reach 4GHz+ with the default cooler easily especially if you play with voltages.
But i can understand your lack of knowledge because you havent used one even at default.

 

[ShintaiDK]

In the games were AMD CPUs are slower then ''CPU doesn't matter, cranck up AA, nobody games without AA/lower than 1080P, old game, new game but poorly optimized''.
In the few games where their slower but more cores strategy shines then ''CPU does matter, that's what I call well optimized, sign of the future''.

It's funny and sad at the same time. Can't wait to see the same people calling BD/PD/SR garbage if Zen delivers much better performance per core at lower power.

Yep, seems we are back on that track again. At least its not the slower but smoother claims

 

[N8Magic]

Well, everything but the video card is purchased and I think I did pretty well:

i5-4440 - $155
Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming-3 - $109
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD - $79
2x4GB Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3-1866 (Red) - $81
NZXT S340 (White) - $59
750W EVGA Supernova G1 80 Plus Gold - $59
24" Samsung S24D390HL PLS Monitor - $99

TOTAL: $641 (all prices in Canadian dollars)

Not bad for a rig on a budget yes? I'll probably throw some sort of R9 280/280X/290 in there depending on the deals on Cyber Monday.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Well, everything but the video card is purchased and I think I did pretty well:

i5-4440 - $155
Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming-3 - $109
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD - $79
2x4GB Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3-1866 (Red) - $81
NZXT S340 (White) - $59
750W EVGA Supernova G1 80 Plus Gold - $59
24" Samsung S24D390HL PLS Monitor - $99

TOTAL: $641 (all prices in Canadian dollars)

Not bad for a rig on a budget yes? I'll probably throw some sort of R9 280/280X/290 in there depending on the deals on Cyber Monday.

Congrats! That's a great machine.

 

[escrow4]

GameGPU tests on an overclocked 5960X, so yes you will be GPU limited most of the time. Why not test on a stock 4670 and a stock 4790 vs an FX? I suspect you will hit CPU bottlenecks in some of those games. Ryse, AC Unity and Inquisition can use 6 cores easily.

 

[Phynaz]

Go look at any FX8350 review in the web and see how high they did overclocked two years ago. Then remember that the new FX CPUs like FX8320E and FX8370E can OC higher with lower voltage than any other FX SKUs.

also, check the links bellow

Average of FX8320 on HWBOT is ~4.7GHz
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/fx_8350/

There are 3-4 entries bellow 4.4GHz, everyone else is at or above 4.4GHz.
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cpu_freq...d=processor_2690&cores=8#start=60#interval=20

FX8320E with a good air cooler can go as high as 5GHz+, it can reach 4GHz+ with the default cooler easily especially if you play with voltages.
But i can understand your lack of knowledge because you havent used one even at default.

Knowledge has nothing to do with it. I want you to link to the garantee.

 

[AtenRa]

Knowledge has nothing to do with it. I want you to link to the garantee.

AMD FX9370 4.4GHz base, 4.7GHz Turbo
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/processors/desktop/fx#

 

[ShintaiDK]

AMD FX9370 4.4GHz base, 4.7GHz Turbo
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/processors/desktop/fx#

But you talk about the 8320E. Not a 220W watercooled CPU at a different pricepoint.

There is no such thing as a guaranteed overclock. So stop try and misleading with it.

 

[AtenRa]

But you talk about the 8320E. Not a 220W watercooled CPU at a different pricepoint.

There is no such thing as a guaranteed overclock. So stop try and misleading with it.

The 4.4GHz frequency is guaranteed for every FX8320E, what is not the same and cannot be guaranteed for every CPU is the voltage needed at 4.4GHz.

 

[rancherlee]

I've built 3 8320 based rigs for me and friends in the past 6 months, Every one of them did 4.4ghz at STOCK (1.35v) with Stock heat pipe coolers, these were 2 old and 1 new revision chips all 2014 manufacture codes. Mine goes to 4.6 @ stock before errors pop up during stress testing but I have an H90 cooling it. haven't had a single error or game crash at 4.5. I wouldn't say guaranteed for 4.5ghz but its dang close. They also under volt good too, I had it down to 1.1v @ 3.5ghz without an issue but never tried lower. I'd call the 8 core FX an I4.75, not quite as good as I5k over a large average tests but way ahead of an I3 in average testing. Yes the FX chip is "garbage" but for the 109$ I payed for each 8320 they actually become a pretty good deal, even better if you want to stretch out an older build for another year or two.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The 4.4GHz frequency is guaranteed for every FX8320E, what is not the same and cannot be guaranteed for every CPU is the voltage needed at 4.4GHz.

No its not. AMD guarantee a 3.2Ghz base, 4Ghz turbo for the 8320E.

 

[AtenRa]

No its not. AMD guarantee a 3.2Ghz base, 4Ghz turbo for the 8320E.

That is what AMD guarantees for 95W TDP.

I have only said that FX8320E is guaranteed to reach 4.4GHz, havent mentioned at what TDP or what voltage. But EVERY FX8320E will reach the frequency of 4.4GHz and that is a FACT.

I know you dont like it but that's how things are

 

[2is]

That is what AMD guarantees for 95W TDP.

I have only said that FX8320E is guaranteed to reach 4.4GHz, havent mentioned at what TDP or what voltage. But EVERY FX8320E will reach the frequency of 4.4GHz and that is a FACT.

I know you dont like it but that's how things are

Where is the documentation? You can keep throwing the word guarantee around, but unless you can show what you claim, it's an AtenRa Guarantee, not and AMD one. One is worthless, the other is not.

 

[AtenRa]

Where is the documentation? You can keep throwing the word guarantee around, but unless you can show what you claim, it's an AtenRa Guarantee, not and AMD one. One is worthless, the other is not.

If you will find a single FX8320E that will not OC to 4.4GHz i will retract what i have said here.
Until then my comment stands.

 

[2is]

If you will find a single FX8320E that will not OC to 4.4GHz i will retract what i have said here.
Until then my comment stands.

Your comment is that it's guaranteed. You're making the claim, the burden of proof is on you. And until you can prove it, your comment is meaningless. I know you don't like it, but that's the way things are.

Basically what we have here is you saying AMD is guaranteeing something that they are not, because if they were, you'd have shown it. Thanks for playing.

 

[ShintaiDK]

But EVERY FX8320E will reach the frequency of 4.4GHz and that is a FACT.

Documentation please. And I expect it to be from AMD. Not something homebrew from you.

 

[AtenRa]

Ok lets clear this once and for all, we were talking about OVERCLOCKING

Here is what Phynaz said,

I don't see an 8320e on those charts, and a 4.4ghz overclock is not guaranteed on an 8320e.

And then my reply for his claim that the FX8320E is not guaranteed to OVERCLOCK to 4.4GHz.

A 4.4GHz is guaranteed on the FX8320E, every FX83xx can OC to 4.4GHz and that is a fact.

And then Phynaz and the rest of you tried to be clever involving AMD in to an OVERCLOCKING debate.

Please show us this guarantee from AMD.

Where is the documentation?

Documentation please. And I expect it to be from AMD. Not something homebrew from you.

Nice try guys, i know its not easy when a AMD $110 CPU can be as fast when OCed as an Intel $229 but that is life get used to it

 

[BSim500]

For the millionth time, people on low budget will be GPU limited the majority of the time.

People with budget GFX cards won't be running on Ultra GFX settings anyway if it meant a ridiculous 10-12fps slide-show (as your AC:Unity chart shows for an R7 260X) vs 30-50fps by turning settings down to High / Medium / Low rendering most of your 'VHQ' graphs somewhat moot...

Ok lets clear this once and for all, we were talking about OVERCLOCKING

Yes, and go look at absurd power consumption of an OC'd FX-8350 (up to +200w excess):-
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/7
http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/13

Even for the "E" chips : "The obvious price to pay for the combination of extra voltage and frequency is increased power consumption. System-wide HandBrake power draw increases from 137W to a huge 288W" (meanwhile the i5 remains at 88-92w for still better performance)
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/74109-amd-fx-8370e-95w-32nm-vishera/?page=10 (pages 9-10)

Price in +$30 for a decent aftermarket air cooler to deal with that surplus heat (if not +$50 for water-cooling) + higher energy costs (average energy prices now $0.14 USA / $0.20 Europe per kwh, ie, +$30-$45 over typical 3-yr CPU lifespan for each 1hr full load per day), + possible PSU upgrade (for those with existing 400w units) + the annoyance of faster & louder case fans, etc, and I really wouldn't want a +200w "space-heater" from either brand even if 8-core CPU prices were slashed to $10 (for the same reason I happily bought a 67w Athlon64 over a 115w Prescott P4 and wouldn't have changed my mind even if Intel had given away Pentium 4's for free in a packet of corn-flakes...)

This has all been done to death so many times before. AMD's have some good bargains especially in the budget area. But even with budget buyers, "the last dollar" by itself isn't the be all and end all of everything. The reason so many are willing to pay a premium for Intel is pretty much the same reason why NVidia's Maxwell's are flying off the shelves in face of cheaper but falling-in-sales AMD dGPU's - faster "out of the box", the architecture is newer (native USB 3.0, PCI-E 3.0, etc), significantly better perf-per-watt, lower running costs, not everyone wants to OC, TDP limited smaller form factors, etc. Likewise, not everyone's "budget" happens to be rigidly attached to the exact dollar price of whatever cheapest AMD CPU + mboard bundle happens to be on special offer at the time...

"A $110 AMD is as fast as a $220 Intel". Sure - and a 3.2GHz G3258 can beat an OC'd FX at 4.8Ghz. And that's ultimately what the Intel premium is about (and what AMD's lack) - consistency when averaged over thousands of games.