Haswell refresh, final parts ordered

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lehtv

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Good find :thumbsup:

You did get the 4670K instead of the 4670, right?
 
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So what parts did you end up deciding upon for the build and what did your total cost turn out to be?
 

Bateluer

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So what parts did you end up deciding upon for the build and what did your total cost turn out to be?

Editted my first post.

Parts ordered.

Final breakdown below.

Seasonic M12II SS-750AM - (Decided to go with this PSU over the Rosewill Capstone for the discount code offered and because it was modular. )

ASRock X87 Extreme4
Seagate 7200RPM 3TB and 2TB drives. I'll sell off the 1TBs on CL for cheap after I move my data over and scrub them
i5 4670, had a small discount code that knocked 10 dollars off it.
Fractal Design R4, Black w/ Window, also had a discount code
An extra 140mm fan for the Fractal case.

Total cost was about 776 shipped.


Some time around Christmas or New Years, I'll begin Phase 2. Replacing my 4x4GB DDR3 with 4x8GB faster sticks, something in the PC3-1600+ range, and replacing my Radeon 7950 3GB with something from the Volcanic Islands family.
 

Bateluer

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I've got the case sitting in my TV room. That arrived the day after I ordered the parts, not bad. Everything else shipped separately, and despite the 3 Day Select shipping, UPS is taking 5 days to ship it.

Ordered everything at about 5:20am local time on 28 August, and the UPS Tracking number has it scheduled for 3 September.
 

Bateluer

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Well, I got most of the parts installed and built up Wednesday morning, but ran into a SATA problem. First the RAID bios didn't see my SSDs at all, RAID or otherwise, even though the UEFI did. Saw the mechanical Seagates though. Had to pause it while I went to work, then resume Weds evening. Seemed to sort itself out with some cable jockeying between SATA ports. Have to remember that two of the SATA ports are controlled by an ASMedia chip and not the Z87, they'll support HDDs and optical disks, but no RAID support. The horizontal mounting is a bit of a pain, because they're directly under the GPU. At least with them being horizontal mount, you can plug stuff into them still. Its just a pain. Vertical mount SATA ports would be reduced to about 2 ports in this layout.

My experience in cable management also sucks, and there's a lot of tight runs and corners in the Define R4 case to route around and through, etc. To even do it, requires a lot of effort. Both side panels need to be off when routing cables, but when installing other parts in the access side, you'll want to pop that reverse panel back on so the cabling doesn't catch on anything. The power cables on the front fans also don't reach any of the Cha Fan headers on the main board in their default positioning either. Simple fix though, rotate the fan until the power cable is on the uppermost side instead of the lower side. They'll reach the case's connectors that connect them to the voltage switch on the front, but after trying that I decided I'd rather have them connected to the main board headers. There's more control that way, I can observe their RPMs and control them to a finer level then a 3 position voltage switch.

I'm in the process of migrating data from my old drives, which is going to take some time. Must remember though, with an SSD, a 150+ Windows Updates take about 30 minutes to download and install.

I might try some reworking of the sata cabling, by reversing the position of the drives, so the sata/power connects are facing the nonaccess side. This would give it a cleaner look and allow more airflow, but I'm not sure if the power cables would reach that fan.

WEI is 7.9 on Graphics and Gaming Graphics, 7.8 on HDD Transfer, and 7.6 on Process and RAM speed. Perhaps that'll go up a little in 4 or 5 months when I toss in some faster RAM. Current RAM is 16GB of DDR-1066. I plan to take that up to PC3-2400-ish, and double it to 32GB. Haven't run any benchmarks yet though.

With the stock Intel cooler and stock thermal paste, it idles between 38 and 40C. Bit warm, but not excessively so. I might pick up an after market cooler eventually.
 

lehtv

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You should've realy got the 4670K. You may change your mind about overclocking one day... much of the benefits of the Z87 Extreme4 and the huge PSU go to waste if you're not going to overclock. That includes SLI and Crossfire to an extent as well - SLI/CF setups typically have a lot more (almost double in some cases) of GPU power compared to single card setups, which means CPU bottlenecking becomes increasingly likely. To avoid CPU bottlenecking, you overclock. If you didn't want SLI/Cf you should've got a different PSU and motherboard altogether, could've saved at least $50 there, probably more

Other than that minor oversight, that build sounds very nice.

The idle temperature is just fine, no reason to buy aftermarket cooling to improve idle temperatures. What matters more is the temperature at load, and the noise levels at both idle and load. Noise is the main reason to buy aftermarket cooling for a locked processor; heat is usually a reason only in special circumstances like high ambient temperatures, poor case airflow or 24/7 load operation.
 
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Bateluer

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You should've realy got the 4670K. You may change your mind about overclocking one day... much of the benefits of the Z87 Extreme4 and the huge PSU go to waste if you're not going to overclock. That includes SLI and Crossfire to an extent as well - SLI/CF setups typically have a lot more (almost double in some cases) of GPU power compared to single card setups, which means CPU bottlenecking becomes increasingly likely. To avoid CPU bottlenecking, you overclock. If you didn't want SLI/Cf you should've got a different PSU and motherboard altogether, could've saved at least $50 there, probably more

Other than that minor oversight, that build sounds very nice.

I didn't need to OC the i5 2400 I had previously. OCs on the C2D E8500 became unstable during the summer months, it wasn't worth the hassle. Like I said though, I wanted to make sure I was SLI/CF ready in the event I want to pick up two next gen Radeons or Geforces. It'd be easier if I already had the mainboard and PSU ready to go rather than having to upgrade the PSU and mainboard again.

The idle temperature is just fine, no reason to buy aftermarket cooling to improve idle temperatures. What matters more is the temperature at load, and the noise levels at both idle and load. Noise is the main reason to buy aftermarket cooling for a locked processor; heat is usually a reason only in special circumstances like high ambient temperatures, poor case airflow or 24/7 load operation.

I need to test load temps still, still getting software back the way I like it. When the side panels are on and the front case door closes, the R4 is a pretty quiet machine. At least, compared to the 8-9 year old Lian Li case, with holes in the 5.25in bays because I load the spacers.
 

lehtv

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You were using the i5 2400 with only one graphics card though, right?
 

Bateluer

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You were using the i5 2400 with only one graphics card though, right?

Yes, but the main board I was using only had a single PCIe x16 slot. I considered getting a second 7950 back in April, but scrubbed it since it would have entailed getting more hardware than I was willing to spend.

And I'm not saying I will buy into a dual video card solution, but I want that capability if I decide I want it.
 

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WEI is 7.9 on Graphics and Gaming Graphics, 7.8 on HDD Transfer, and 7.6 on Process and RAM speed. Perhaps that'll go up a little in 4 or 5 months when I toss in some faster RAM. Current RAM is 16GB of DDR-1066. I plan to take that up to PC3-2400-ish, and double it to 32GB. Haven't run any benchmarks yet though.

The real-world benefit of upgrading to DDR3 2400 is that your WEI score will go up. That's about it.

The actual 8GB DIMMs of DDR3 2400 that you'd need to go to 32GB also seem to be nonexistent, at least at reasonable voltages.
 

Bateluer

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The real-world benefit of upgrading to DDR3 2400 is that your WEI score will go up. That's about it.

The actual 8GB DIMMs of DDR3 2400 that you'd need to go to 32GB also seem to be nonexistent, at least at reasonable voltages.

Pretty much any upgrade to 32GBs will be for bragging rights. Heck, even 16GB is mostly bragging rights.

What do you consider reasonable voltages? I see 8GB DDR3-2400 DIMMs from G.Skill at 1.65v.
 

T_Yamamoto

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Pretty much any upgrade to 32GBs will be for bragging rights. Heck, even 16GB is mostly bragging rights.

What do you consider reasonable voltages? I see 8GB DDR3-2400 DIMMs from G.Skill at 1.65v.
1.65 is a no go.

1.5 is okay.
 

lehtv

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Yes, 1.5V is the standard, and the maximum recommended by Intel. According to reports, 1.65V can also work fine, but better safe than sorry. There's just no reason to buy high MHz high voltage RAM, it costs more than it's worth too.
 

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Yes, 1.5V is the standard, and the maximum recommended by Intel. According to reports, 1.65V can also work fine, but better safe than sorry. There's just no reason to buy high MHz high voltage RAM, it costs more than it's worth too.

Agree 100%.
 
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