The only weakness for the MBP range has got to be the GPU performance, always has been imo, although the situation has got better in recent years.
I'll offer a different, or perhaps only seemingly different perspective.
a month or two ago I ordered an 13 MBA, 8 gig ram, 256 SSD. has the new intel 5000 graphics.
I only use the thing so far for mail, web, normal office stuff, but my oh my this is my first mac device and I'm blown away. Actually a joy to use. I can't tell any slow downs, poor screen issues or nothing.
what are you guys using these things for that show weakness?
Mark
The whole issue is pretty weird, the probabilities don't match up.
Not many people are complaining. On MacRumors, there are about 50 of them or so (with the one guy who claims that IR is inevitable on all LG displays with no proof whatsoever). That would fit if about of of hundred units was defective and about one of ten people noticed or something, because Apple probably sold tens of thousands of the units.
On the other hand, there are people who're like "I'm on my third Haswell rMPB 13" and all had this problem", which is pretty improbably even if half of the unites were defective.
That's strange. What I'm thinking is some combination of
1) the complainers on MacRumors are astroturfers/haters who are trying to make people miserable with their Macs,
2) it's blow out of proportion,
3) a lot of units has this problem, but most people don't notice?
I'll see when mine gets here.
So I ran the IR test for 5 mins and what I found was interesting. So I do get a bit of IR but only on the bottom half of the screen. Also after 10 secs the IR is gone so I don't know if it even qualifies as IR.
Right now I am trying to deal with exchanging my 13" for the 15". The 15" is not that much bigger at all and I would get the 9 hour battery I need. But now I kinda don't want to take the gamble with possibly getting a 15" with a borked screen since my 13" is perfect since I have yet to encounter the touchpad and keyboard freezing issues and screen has 0 issues.
I never saw the 13" in person. Is it really not that much more portable?
So I ran the IR test for 5 mins and what I found was interesting. So I do get a bit of IR but only on the bottom half of the screen. Also after 10 secs the IR is gone so I don't know if it even qualifies as IR.
Right now I am trying to deal with exchanging my 13" for the 15". The 15" is not that much bigger at all and I would get the 9 hour battery I need. But now I kinda don't want to take the gamble with possibly getting a 15" with a borked screen since my 13" is perfect since I have yet to encounter the touchpad and keyboard freezing issues and screen has 0 issues.
Samsung here too...currently busy but 2 minutes on that grid page and no IR.
So I just got the message from the Apple store, My 15" rMBP is ready for pickup. I got the 2.6Ghz 16GB 512GB SSD one (top spec plus processor upgrade)
Super exited, if anybody has questions ill def be happy to answer them when i have it in hand.
How long did it take for your laptop to reach the Apple store for pickup?
So I just got the message from the Apple store, My 15" rMBP is ready for pickup. I got the 2.6Ghz 16GB 512GB SSD one (top spec plus processor upgrade)
Super exited, if anybody has questions ill def be happy to answer them when i have it in hand.
You have the 13"? I read that all of the 13" had LG screens from the macrumours thread.
Koing
Well, assuming that the original post about the terminal command is correct, that's the value that mine spit out.
I picked up a Logitech Anywhere MX to do play some DotA 2 and so far everything's working out great - there's a little delay sometimes but I haven't had a chance to figure out if it's the internet connection or something with the system. Since I'm in a hotel, I'm guessing it's the former.
I posted this DisplayMate article in the iPad Air thread, but I think it belongs here too. DisplayMate is claiming the iPad Air actually does use IGZO.This is what I'm really wanting, if it has good viewing angles that is:
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/09...n-on-apples-display-plans-for-future-devices/
http://9to5mac.com/2013/10/12/comin...nch-retina-macbook-sharper-ipad-cheaper-imac/
I know that 12" MacBook is a completely unsubstantiated rumour, but it's a juicy one.
EDIT:
By my calculations, if Apple were to release a 2304x1440 Retina MacBook at 12" (or 11.97"), it would be exactly the same pixel density as the 13" Retina. Exactly.
That would mean it could use the exact same display technology as the 13" Retina. We know that the displays in the current Airs are inferior, and many attribute that to cost. It's true that cheaper displays cost less, but then again it should be noted that the $500 iPads have awesome Retina screens with great viewing angles, so there should not be any real barrier to putting a high quality screen in a 2014 12" MacBook.
I don't need the compute power of the Pro, nor do I need the 1 TB SSD options, etc. This would be perfect for me:
12" Retina screen at 2304x1440
1.4 GHz Core i5 dual-core Haswell 15 W
Intel Iris HD 5000
8 GB RAM
256 GB SSD
802.11ac
USB 3 x 2
SDXC slot
Backlit keyboard
10 hour battery life
Thunderbolt (or Thunderbolt 2)
The thing about the 2304x1440 screen is that it works out to 227 ppi, or equivalent to text sizes on a 113 ppi screen with a resolution of 1152x720. One of my beefs with the current Airs besides the poor display quality is the small text. However, with Retina, you get the best of both worlds. For people with old eyes like mine, you can run it at native with big text, but for other people who like the current Airs' resolutions, you can run non-native with similar resolutions and still have it look good.
In addition, Apple is due for an Air form factor update. The original Air came out in 2008, and the 11.6" came out in 2010. 2014 would mark 6 and 4 years since release, respectively.
Furthermore, Apple left a placeholder 13" MacBook in the Pro line. Apple sometimes does this when they intend on replacing it the following year (although admittedly they also sometimes do this just to cater to the edu and corporate groups who want something cheaper that will run older OSes).
The more I think about it, the more I think Apple will go this route or something similar, sooner rather than later. Thus, I'm holding off on replacing my MacBook Pro for now.
I posted this DisplayMate article in the iPad Air thread, but I think it belongs here too. DisplayMate is claiming the iPad Air actually does use IGZO.
http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_ShootOut_3.htm
If true, that makes an IGZO Retina sub-13" MacBook much more likely. And if not sub-13", then a lighter 13" because of a smaller battery, or else longer battery life.
So, I'm thinking that while it's possible an ultralight 12" Retina MacBook may indeed appear in 2014, it's possible that the Pros will also get a redesign, and if not, they'll get longer battery life.
Well, to be honest I think that is the direction that laptops are going. Big monstrous and monstrously powerful laptops are becoming more and more niche, and ultrabooks are becoming the new desirable form factor, even with users that were traditionally considered power users.why would they release such a product when it would eat into their sales of both 13" pros and 13" Macbook Airs
Why would they release an iPad half-a-year after they released the previous model? Oh wait, they already did that: iPad 3 --> iPad 4.There is zero chance the iPhone 6 will come out in Q2 '14. They release them in september every year. Why would they change that?
That's what everyone said about the 12" PowerBook because the 12" iBook already existed, despite the fact I said they should release one. Then they released it.The idea of a retina macbook air is great but pretty much a waste of apples time.
Nope. The 13" Pro is regular laptop Core i5. The Airs are ultralow power CPUs with much lower performance. However, in 2013 the performance is good enough for a lot of people, which is why people are looking to longer battery life and smaller form factors.They will release something with a higher rez, but both the MBA and the 13" rMBP use dual core i5 and i7 cpu, the same ram, and basically the same intel graphics. the only difference is the clock speed of the processor and the display. If you take away the display, who is going to pay a $500 premium for a faster clock speed but worse battery life?
They would have to put quad core in the 13" to make a retina 12" or 13" viable.
The 13" Air is a full half-pound lighter. That's a huge difference, as is the battery life difference.After playing around with my 13" MB Pro....it's already pretty damn thin and light. The MB Air isn't really much thinner since it bulges at the back. So why would anyone buy a MB Air except for the battery life? That's the only clear advantage it has, but even the Pro lasts 8-10 hours.
Possibly.I'm starting to think they will merge the 13" Air and 13" Pro in the next generation or two.
Nope. The 13" Pro is regular laptop Core i5. The Airs are ultralow power CPUs with much lower performance. However, in 2013 the performance is good enough for a lot of people, which is why people are looking to longer battery life and smaller form factors.
After playing around with my 13" MB Pro....it's already pretty damn thin and light. The MB Air isn't really much thinner since it bulges at the back. So why would anyone buy a MB Air except for the battery life? That's the only clear advantage it has, but even the Pro lasts 8-10 hours.
I'm starting to think they will merge the 13" Air and 13" Pro in the next generation or two.
Which means the performance is much, much lower.This is not accurate. They are lower power and that is why they have lower clock speeds, but apart from that they preform exactly the same as a full i5. They have the same instruction set, the same cache, the same everything they are just clocked far slower to lower power consumption.
Who cares? IPC is not the concern here.Clock for clock they are just as powerful as the dual core i5s in the MBP
For you and me, the performance of the Air is fine. If I were say a video jockey I would most definitely get a Pro for the much increased performance.The performance difference between 2.4Ghz dual core i5 in the macbook pro and the 1.7 Ghz dual core i7 is the MBA is not all that big. The turbo frequency of the i5 in the MBP is actually lower than in the MBA.
Not sure what you mean. They do this all the time. Sure, there are other features as well that are different, but the CPU is usually quite different in the lower end models. In fact, Apple often does not allow higher end processors in lower end machines, even if the design allows for the higher end processors. Same goes for GPUs.Apple has never once tiered a product based on it having just a different processor.