I know that the product line is supposed to be launched on June 4th, but when will we see products available? With the PCH USB issue, I assume those parts won't ship. So when will these products start getting into consumers hands?
I know that the product line is supposed to be launched on June 4th, but when will we see products available? With the PCH USB issue, I assume those parts won't ship. So when will these products start getting into consumers hands?
As has been the case since Nehalem, the Extreme processors will be on a different socket than the current chips. Given that the Ivy Bridge Extreme chips aren't even out yet, it may be a year or more before we see Haswell-E.You could just wait a little for DDR4. I heard that DDR4 will be available on the EE Extreme Edition Cores. So Probably it will be coming soon on everything else. I mean it would be a shame to get a motherboard and a processor only to have a faster BUS speed and DDR4 on the next revision or sub revision within 3-6 months.
As has been the case since Nehalem, the Extreme processors will be on a different socket than the current chips. Given that the Ivy Bridge Extreme chips aren't even out yet, it may be a year or more before we see Haswell-E.
There were some leaked slides that showed Ivy bridge-E releasing in Q3 of 2013 I thought.What makes you think Intel is planing an Ivy Bridge-E platform? I think they skipped it. After all, they shipped Sandy Bridge-E not all that long after Sandy Bridge. Why wait a year and another platform before the before doing it for Ivy Bridge?
You could just wait a little for DDR4. I heard that DDR4 will be available on the EE Extreme Edition Cores. So Probably it will be coming soon on everything else. I mean it would be a shame to get a motherboard and a processor only to have a faster BUS speed and DDR4 on the next revision or sub revision within 3-6 months.
From what I heard they are shipping the borked versions but you will have to deal with the USB 3.0 S3 issues, besides that though, mid-late july for C2 stepping.
How can they ship a known defective product? Is Intel really that cocky?
It's only defective for USB 3.0 devices that use S3 sleep mode I believe, if so I personally don't know anyone who would be effected by that. Unless you have an always on USB3.0 external hard drive or something, it shouldn't effect much. At least that was my understanding of the bug.
I have a Vantec Nexstar 3 external drive enclosure that I use for backups. So, yes a I have a USB 3.0 device that I expect to sleep/wake properly. I am not certain if it supports S3 sleep or not, but it does shut down when I sleep the computer. I do believe this S3 sleep, with the memory kept refreshed while the rest of the hardware is shutdown. I would use a mobile USB 3.0 hard drive for the same purpose on a laptop. I have backup software I use, that is akin to Apple's Time Machine, to backup my user directory. I doubt my use is particularly esoteric.
The error only requires you to unplug the device and plug it back in, it's not a huge hassle for most.
Also if your drive is for backups you presumably wouldn't keep it connected all the time as you should be storing backups in a separate location from the original so as not to lose both at once.
This keeps a second copy on the drive with a revision history, and it actively updates it as files change. I do keep a backup of the most important files offsite.
Seems like RAID would be easier than a constantly updating external drive, but in any case the issue should be fixed and pushed to consumers in late July. I would assume by August most retailers should have the c2 stepping.
Raid isn't a backup. A hard drive with revision history is a good first step at backup.
What makes you think Intel is planing an Ivy Bridge-E platform? I think they skipped it. After all, they shipped Sandy Bridge-E not all that long after Sandy Bridge. Why wait a year and another platform before the before doing it for Ivy Bridge?
Sandy Bridge also shipped with a known defective chipset. The list of errata for shipped products sometimes is staggering; these are just the ones we hear about.How can they ship a known defective product? Is Intel really that cocky?
To be clear, it's not that the drives themselves have to use or support S3 sleep mode; when the Haswell chip itself comes out of sleep mode is when there's a problem.It's only defective for USB 3.0 devices that use S3 sleep mode I believe, if so I personally don't know anyone who would be effected by that. Unless you have an always on USB3.0 external hard drive or something, it shouldn't effect much. At least that was my understanding of the bug.
That's true. There are only a few LGA2011 laptops, and they're exorbitantly overpriced, thick, heavy, and have wretched battery life. I definitely think Haswell will be an important improvement to wait for, for a portable machine.Ok, I hadn't heard anything about IB-E since not long after IB launched. I figured it was dead with Haswell just around the corner. I guess I was wrong. But, that suggests that there won't be a Haswell-E until at least a year from when that launches, most likely. Anyway, neither are particularly interesting for a laptop.
What makes you think Intel is planing an Ivy Bridge-E platform? I think they skipped it. After all, they shipped Sandy Bridge-E not all that long after Sandy Bridge. Why wait a year and another platform before the before doing it for Ivy Bridge?
They shipped P3 1.13GHZ and SNB-E C1 so yes they are.How can they ship a known defective product? Is Intel really that cocky?
THAT SAID ... buying a laptop ... with USB3 disks you intend to leave connected all the time? Are you not moving the machine around? Why are you buying a laptop, then?
I am doing a lot of traveling. For the USB disk I was thinking of a WD Passport mobile drive. I believe they can be powered by a USB port. And it would be plugged into the laptop when I got back to the hotel for the night and stay there until I left.
I don't want to encourage companies to ship products that have significant defects. So, I will wait for the later run of PCHs that work properly. I have a smartphone, so I am not disconnected while I am away from home. I just would prefer a larger screen with better GPU and CPU.
Anyway, this has gotten far off the topic of my question. I have an answer to that, which is I can expect to see laptops with the fixed PCH in late August or early September.
Thank you everyone for your responses.