Hate Mask and Vaccine Mandates? Just Wait For The Electric Cars

[sportage]

I predict the next perfect storm for instigating political division between Americans will be the electric car. When electric cars begin showing up in mass quanty, and in mass production, resulting with the old gas guzzlers banned out of production, we will see yet another full blown political war. Its coming.
And I seriously doubt that enough Americas will embrace that change going from gas to battery. Everything is political. And an electric car that promotes a cleaner environment with less pollution will become yet another perfect political storm for dividing Americans once again.

I was at a local grocery store and i noticed 4 charging stalls just next to the handicap stalls. One car was parked getting a charge while i assume the owner was shopping inside the store. Apparently with a battery car you need to refresh every chance you get so you wont run out of voltage. And i was thinking... AMERICANS AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT. To keep charging everytime they park and go in a store or in a restaurant or in the movie theater.

We will have people convinced that going battery the same as going wind power. Wind turbines. You know, those wind turbines that cause cancer, kill birds, and shrink mens balls. People will resist the battery powered automobile, and politicians will see the opportunity to play up to those people for their vote. Let the conspiracy theories begin. Did you know that driving around in an electric car will shrink you balls???
This will become a technological nightmare when eventually all gas motor vehicles become a thing of the past along with the dial telephone and covered wagon. The day will come when the only place you will find a gas powered automobile will be in Jay Leno's garage.
People will resist change. Way too many people, that is.
And lets face it, a redneck wont dare mount his confederate flag on an electric car. Just doesn't quite achieve the desired effect.

I seriously question Americans ability to cope with advancing technology. Vaccines are certainly advancing technology, and politicians, one politician in particular, has figured out how to turn vaccines into our political nightmare.
I remember watching that cartoon series THE JETSONS on TV. Dreaming what it would be like to have a robot maid and flying cars and instantaneous food. Back then, I think everyone thought how great this would be. Well, it was probably best that dream never came true because just one more thing too divide Americans.

Other than with social media, like facebook and tictok, and other than the cell phone, I dont believe Americans can handle technological advances, even if that advance results in cleaner air and a more stable more livable climate. Like a dog howling at the moon, too many Americans howl at technology be it vaccines or the coming of electric cars. But when those gas guzzlers are banned from the road, and this will happen eventually, all hell will break lose.... politically. And you can be assured that a Donald Trump-like personality will be waiting in the wings for the opportunity to divide. Just add a redneck into the mix with his confeterate flag, and there you are. Political discourse over the battery powered automobile.
A long way off you say??? Possibly. But its coming.

 

[Brainonska511]

I was at a local grocery store and i noticed 4 charging stalls just next to the handicap stalls. One car was parked getting a charge while i assume the owner was shopping inside the store. Apparently with a battery car you need to refresh every chance you get so you wont run out of voltage. And i was thinking... AMERICANS AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT. To keep charging everytime they park and go in a store or in a restaurant or in the movie theater.

Tell me you know nothing about electric cars without telling me you know nothing about electric cars.

They don't have to be 'topped off' all the time. Additionally, many people will be able to charge at home because of access to dedicated parking with power.

Anyway, the rest of what you wrote is a long winded, somewhat insane diatribe.

The problem for electric vehicles is that 1:1 replacement of gas-powered with electric-powered cars isn't going to fix everything. Sure, it'll help from a climate change perspective, but we're still going to be clogging our streets with traffic and wasting energy through inefficient land use (ie, suburban sprawl that completely segregates housing from commercial activities and forces people to get around by car and live in isolated homes that use substantially more energy per capita than similiarly sized modest density homes).

 

[Greenman]

There will be a few that refuse to give up their brodozers, but not enough to matter. Electrics are good enough now for most people, improvements in battery's, charging, and infrastructure are still needed, but the tech is there.
The simple reality is operating cost for an electric is way lower than an ICE.
My only real gripe with electrics is the tendency to load them with gadgets. I don't need a Bluetooth washer fluid monitor, I don't need cabin mood lighting, or a howitzer sound system.

 

[pete6032]

No, it will be more like the switch from incandescent bulbs to CFLs. A few crazies but the country will move on just fine.

 

[Steltek]

There will be a few that refuse to give up their brodozers, but not enough to matter. Electrics are good enough now for most people, improvements in battery's, charging, and infrastructure are still needed, but the tech is there.
The simple reality is operating cost for an electric is way lower than an ICE.
My only real gripe with electrics is the tendency to load them with gadgets. I don't need a Bluetooth washer fluid monitor, I don't need cabin mood lighting, or a howitzer sound system.

My biggest problems with them are the fact that the batteries only last a few years and you can't replace them yourself. Plus, the manufacturers are working overtime to lock down all repairs into their stealership networks only. You will no longer have the right to repair the vehicle you "own". Think I am joking? It is already happening now. The nature of computerized systems gives them the ability to do this easily, and they are taking full advantage of it.

Regarding infrastructure, while it be there in the large cities and major industrialized areas, it isn't anywhere else. I think in my entire county, there is exactly one known charger and it isn't even available to the public (the local steel mill installed one for the exclusive use of their very rich CEO and his excessively rich friends).

I personally hope for a breakthrough on hydrogen power. I know they have made strides with creation of hydrogen on demand very recently, but who knows how long it will take to actually get something useable.

 

[Pohemi]

No, it will be more like the switch from incandescent bulbs to CFLs. A few crazies but the country will move on just fine.

YOU KEEP YER FILTHY PAWS OFF MY FIRE HAZARD HALOGENS! lol

 

[brycejones]

I predict the next perfect storm for instigating political division between Americans will be the electric car. When electric cars begin showing up in mass quanty, and in mass production, resulting with the old gas guzzlers banned out of production, we will see yet another full blown political war. Its coming.
And I seriously doubt that enough Americas will embrace that change going from gas to battery. Everything is political. And an electric car that promotes a cleaner environment with less pollution will become yet another perfect political storm for dividing Americans once again.

I was at a local grocery store and i noticed 4 charging stalls just next to the handicap stalls. One car was parked getting a charge while i assume the owner was shopping inside the store. Apparently with a battery car you need to refresh every chance you get so you wont run out of voltage. And i was thinking... AMERICANS AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT. To keep charging everytime they park and go in a store or in a restaurant or in the movie theater.

We will have people convinced that going battery the same as going wind power. Wind turbines. You know, those wind turbines that cause cancer, kill birds, and shrink mens balls. People will resist the battery powered automobile, and politicians will see the opportunity to play up to those people for their vote. Let the conspiracy theories begin. Did you know that driving around in an electric car will shrink you balls???
This will become a technological nightmare when eventually all gas motor vehicles become a thing of the past along with the dial telephone and covered wagon. The day will come when the only place you will find a gas powered automobile will be in Jay Leno's garage.
People will resist change. Way too many people, that is.
And lets face it, a redneck wont dare mount his confederate flag on an electric car. Just doesn't quite achieve the desired effect.

I seriously question Americans ability to cope with advancing technology. Vaccines are certainly advancing technology, and politicians, one politician in particular, has figured out how to turn vaccines into our political nightmare.
I remember watching that cartoon series THE JETSONS on TV. Dreaming what it would be like to have a robot maid and flying cars and instantaneous food. Back then, I think everyone thought how great this would be. Well, it was probably best that dream never came true because just one more thing too divide Americans.

Other than with social media, like facebook and tictok, and other than the cell phone, I dont believe Americans can handle technological advances, even if that advance results in cleaner air and a more stable more livable climate. Like a dog howling at the moon, too many Americans howl at technology be it vaccines or the coming of electric cars. But when those gas guzzlers are banned from the road, and this will happen eventually, all hell will break lose.... politically. And you can be assured that a Donald Trump-like personality will be waiting in the wings for the opportunity to divide. Just add a redneck into the mix with his confeterate flag, and there you are. Political discourse over the battery powered automobile.
A long way off you say??? Possibly. But its coming.

What did I just read?

 

[kt]

EV's may be environmental friendly, but they consume energy that is still mainly generated by fossil fuel.

 

[senseamp]

GOP will try to politicize it to protect their oil industry donors. But it's only going to make ICE cars look like something trashy people drive and backfire. Once electric cars hit 300+ range for cost of equivalent ICE, I think it's lights out for gasoline for most people. It's just more convenient and low maintenance. Even if you trickle charge at a store while shopping, that's no time wasted or inconvenience for you compared to driving to a gas station and fueling, which is time dedicated just to that activity.

 

[Moonbeam]

There will be a few that refuse to give up their brodozers, but not enough to matter. Electrics are good enough now for most people, improvements in battery's, charging, and infrastructure are still needed, but the tech is there.
The simple reality is operating cost for an electric is way lower than an ICE.
My only real gripe with electrics is the tendency to load them with gadgets. I don't need a Bluetooth washer fluid monitor, I don't need cabin mood lighting, or a howitzer sound system.

Oh, I have all that stuff and I need it. But I just never use any of it because I don't know how to. The other day I found my butt was cooking. Seems I have a butt cooker built into my seat. The only thing I did figure out is how to use speed variable speed control and lane keeping and that's because my desire to be lazy overcame the effort to figure it out. Another wonderful feature for those who like to drive comatose and one with a button clearly labeled and easy to use keeps the brake on when you stop so you can rest one's leg. It's fab when you have a bunch of assholes ahead of you at the McDonald's drive through.

 

[Thump553]

Nonsense.

I presently own a hybrid that is electric only for the first 25 miles. To me electric cars is like going to CDs/FLAC/mp3 from records and cassettes. Gas cars share a lot of characteristics with vinyl records-both are finicky and take a lot of expensive maintenance. Give me an electric vehicle with its tremendous acceleration and absence of most of the equipment that requires service and $$ on a frequent basis. No more oil changes, water pumps,, etc.-even transmissions are greatly simplified.

When we get to a level where battery range is sufficient and initial cost of electric vehicles is more in line with internal combustion, I predict a mass exodus from internal combustion. Especially if gas taxes are raised to a level where the owners of such vehicles bear the cost of the damage they do.

No reason to be a Luddite about inevitable change.

 

[cytg111]

Wtf did I just read?

Anyway, electric cheaper than gas -> people buy electric.

 

[pmv]

I could imagine there being at least some resistance, on the grounds that electric cars are not 'manly' enough. i.e. not dirty and loud enough. And not enough scope for repairing/modifying it yourself? On the other hand, maybe that would be countered by love of anything high-tech and "advanced"?

Main issue seems to me to be the much greater distances people travel in the US compared to Europe.

As I recall, there were electric cars right back at the start of the development of the automobile, and the idea was for them to be marketed to women, while manly men (who were _expected_ to get dirty) used the combustion engine.

 

[Brainonska511]

Plus, the manufacturers are working overtime to lock down all repairs into their stealership networks only. You will no longer have the right to repair the vehicle you "own". Think I am joking? It is already happening now. The nature of computerized systems gives them the ability to do this easily, and they are taking full advantage of it.

Some states, like Massachusetts, have passed right-to-repair laws that also include wireless diagnostics that manufacturers are trying to use to lock down their vehicles.

I personally hope for a breakthrough on hydrogen power. I know they have made strides with creation of hydrogen on demand very recently, but who knows how long it will take to actually get something useable.

Hydrogen is going nowhere for consumers, and it isn't as green as you think at the moment, given that the majority of hydrogen is sourced from existing drilling operations.

EV's may be environmental friendly, but they consume energy that is still mainly generated by fossil fuel.

EVs, even if charged only by coal power plants, are still more environmentally friendly than a gas car, given the efficiency of power plants vs ICEs. And as the grid moves to more renewables, the benefit for EVs will continue to grow.

Anyway, electric cheaper than gas -> people buy electric.

Yep - fastest way to get people to adopt EVs (or even just more fuel-efficient gas vehicles): drive up the cost of gas.

 

[Greenman]

Wtf did I just read?

Anyway, electric cheaper than gas -> people buy electric.

It really is that simple.

 

[Moonbeam]

We'll get electric when liberals start parking around all the gas pumpsand run HEPA filters to clean the air. It will cause conservatives to die from asphyxiation gasping for smoke.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I hope to be dead by then.

 

[Steltek]

Some states, like Massachusetts, have passed right-to-repair laws that also include wireless diagnostics that manufacturers are trying to use to lock down their vehicles.

Exactly one state, Massachusetts, has passed such a law. A few others have talked about it, but none have done so because the carmakers have lots of money and the corrupt politicians have deep pockets just waiting to be filled with that money not to do it.

There was even an article recently on how the auto manufacturers have all allied together and have filed a major lawsuit against that law. Two of them (Kia and Subaru) have even gone so far as to turn off all the connected car features for cars sold to Massachusetts residents as punishment for the law, and the courts are letting them get away with it. Worst part about it is that, in the end, the Massachusetts law will likely result in an unworkable solution anyway due to security issues.

In the end, if we have to depend on the current Congress (or, the current Supreme Court) to protect us from the carmakers, we are all screwed.

 

[DaaQ]

Exactly one state, Massachusetts, has passed such a law. A few others have talked about it, but none have done so because the carmakers have lots of money and the corrupt politicians have deep pockets just waiting to be filled with that money not to do it.

There was even an article recently on how the auto manufacturers have all allied together and have filed a major lawsuit against that law. Two of them (Kia and Subaru) have even gone so far as to turn off all the connected car features for cars sold to Massachusetts residents as punishment for the law, and the courts are letting them get away with it. Worst part about it is that, in the end, the Massachusetts law will likely result in an unworkable solution anyway due to security issues.

In the end, if we have to depend on the current Congress (or, the current Supreme Court) to protect us from the carmakers, we are all screwed.

There is your problem, Kia and Subaru.


I jest, slightly.

 

[Paratus]

I’ve got an electric car. Here’s the long and short of it.

If you have a garage with power and multiple cars it’s a no brainer to get one (assuming price is appropriate)

We use the electric car for most local trips and the gas SUV for family trips (we’ve got 6 people right now so the 5 seater sedan wouldn’t work any way)

I set the car to charge to 80% (~280miles of indicated range). I then don’t charge it again until the indicated range drops below 200. That can be charging each night or most of the time charging every other night or every third night.

So I always leave home with over 100 miles of range worst case.

In almost a year of ownership I’ve charged once away from home. I don’t let it drop below 20% normally so that’s the only time I’ll stop at a station to charge.

Charging at home via a NEMA 14-50 plug @ 32A & 240V puts 33miles per hour back into the battery. @ the 10cents/kWh I currently pay a full 0-100% charge would cost about $8 and provide 350 miles of ranfe(best case). The NEMA plug and electrical work cost me about $800 to add.

The battery has an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty (still providing 70% rated range @ 8 years). With not using DC fast charging that much and rarely charging to 100% I should have well over 70% of rated range (probably 90%) at 8 years.

So I never have to take time to take it to a “station” like we do with our gas vehicles. It’s a fraction of the cost to fill up. It drives like a bat out of hell. (It’s 0-60 time is equivalent to a Camaro SS @ 4.2 seconds & a 3.7second upgrade is a $2000 OTA firmware download).

Can’t wait for an electric 6+ seater SUV option.

 

[Jaskalas]

• Is America's electric grid prepared for a large change over?
  Can we rapidly expand electric generating capacity?
• How well do these EVs operate at 32 degrees, or 0 degrees, or -15 degrees?

Few questions for the subject. I favor them, just don't know how prepared we are.

 

[shortylickens]

It will be decades before gasoline cars are flat out banned. They just ban production and let the old ones slowly fade out. It will take forever. Most of us won't even be alive to see those days.
And electric really isnt any cleaner. Those giant batteries produce TONS of pollution to be constructed. And most places in America still have dirty electricity, and electricity usage will skyrocket as electric cars become more common, as will the per-watt cost of electricity.
Fun Fact: Even gasoline cars are wasteful to produce. The average gasoline and diesel motor vehicle makes way more pollution during its construction than it will ever produce in its lifetime burning fossil fuels. Unless you somehow manage to put 500 thousand miles on it, which is ridiculous. Maybe if you swap the engine between multiple bodies. But its the bodies that produce the most pollution, all that rubber and plastic and fiberglass.

Nope, the real problem is Americans love waste, and you're never going to change that. Theres literally millions of assholes buying giant pickups and SUV's that never use them for anything besides transporting a single person to work and Walmart. Per capita we produce more garbage and pollution than any other humans on earth, and that won't change until our whole fucking country just collapses.

 

[Leeea]

I do not see myself buying a pure electric car for many years to come.

Just no place to plug it in at the condo I am currently at. My ideas to change that were rejected.


Electric rates appear to be more expensive then gas for people going to quick chargers. Gas is still cheaper, quicker, and less annoying for people who are unable to charge at home.

 

[Viper1j]

Tell me you know nothing about electric cars without telling me you know nothing about electric cars.

They don't have to be 'topped off' all the time. Additionally, many people will be able to charge at home because of access to dedicated parking with power.

Anyway, the rest of what you wrote is a long winded, somewhat insane diatribe.

The problem for electric vehicles is that 1:1 replacement of gas-powered with electric-powered cars isn't going to fix everything. Sure, it'll help from a climate change perspective, but we're still going to be clogging our streets with traffic and wasting energy through inefficient land use (ie, suburban sprawl that completely segregates housing from commercial activities and forces people to get around by car and live in isolated homes that use substantially more energy per capita than similiarly sized modest density homes).

I'll go 100% electric, the day I get a MAJOR rebate for my almost new gas car.

If they can do those "buy back" programs for guns and shit, they can give me a 95% investment return on my 2020 Malibu.

 

[K1052]

• Is America's electric grid prepared for a large change over?
  Can we rapidly expand electric generating capacity?
• How well do these EVs operate at 32 degrees, or 0 degrees, or -15 degrees?

Few questions for the subject. I favor them, just don't know how prepared we are.

In the short term at least the gird will be perfectly fine. Medium term will probably need to make use of more technology to manage demand (EVs charing overnight or in the middle of the day to soak up excess solar power). Long term more upgrades will be needed but we need to do many of them anyway to manage the shift to high percentages of renewables.

Sure.

Battery capacity goes down but ICE efficiency does as well.