[DHT]Osiris
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Don't worry, I'll license it to you for pennies on the dollar.I already had the idea, you're just co-opting it
50 pennies on the dollar.
Don't worry, I'll license it to you for pennies on the dollar.I already had the idea, you're just co-opting it
Wtf kind of business analyst is that? That's the kind of stupid answer someone would give to just keep the company from being sued because they buried stuff in menus that led to distracted drivers get into crashes.
Exactly one state, Massachusetts, has passed such a law. A few others have talked about it, but none have done so because the carmakers have lots of money and the corrupt politicians have deep pockets just waiting to be filled with that money not to do it.
There was even an article recently on how the auto manufacturers have all allied together and have filed a major lawsuit against that law. Two of them (Kia and Subaru) have even gone so far as to turn off all the connected car features for cars sold to Massachusetts residents as punishment for the law, and the courts are letting them get away with it. Worst part about it is that, in the end, the Massachusetts law will likely result in an unworkable solution anyway due to security issues.
In the end, if we have to depend on the current Congress (or, the current Supreme Court) to protect us from the carmakers, we are all screwed.
Right! I was told "it's big 'Old man screams at cloud' energy". I'm sorry that I like having a tactile feeling roller/dial/switch that I can control without taking my eyes off the road and sacrificing safety to myself or others. In regards to Rivian and their interface based motor actuated vents... just why. I don't want more little motors to break and more shit to fiddle with through a touch screen. I don't even want the capacitive touch button on the fender that triggers another little motor to open the charge door. More shit to go wrong. It's just not necessary.
Wait till these vehicles with everything in the infotainment system get hit with the Mazda/NPR bug that bricked the entire infotainment system. You won't even be able to do basic functions because of everything tied up in unnecessary computers.Right! I was told "it's big 'Old man screams at cloud' energy". I'm sorry that I like having a tactile feeling roller/dial/switch that I can control without taking my eyes off the road and sacrificing safety to myself or others. In regards to Rivian and their interface based motor actuated vents... just why. I don't want more little motors to break and more shit to fiddle with through a touch screen. I don't even want the capacitive touch button on the fender that triggers another little motor to open the charge door. More shit to go wrong. It's just not necessary.
That's an important thing to me, the notion of operating everything through a giant tablet on the dash is appalling. Simple tactile controls, please.
Right! I was told "it's big 'Old man screams at cloud' energy". I'm sorry that I like having a tactile feeling roller/dial/switch that I can control without taking my eyes off the road and sacrificing safety to myself or others. In regards to Rivian and their interface based motor actuated vents... just why. I don't want more little motors to break and more shit to fiddle with through a touch screen. I don't even want the capacitive touch button on the fender that triggers another little motor to open the charge door. More shit to go wrong. It's just not necessary.
I've had a Tesla Model 3 or around 3.5 years now, and I try to be quite clear about what I think are the downsides. Personally, if someone wanted to go green, I would suggest a plug-in hybrid over an EV unless they were heavily invested on the idea of an EV. My only complaint about any sort of hybrid setup is that you're mixing propulsion systems, which is effectively adding extra complexity. (I see additional complexity as just more things to break and more cost in the end.)
My biggest qualm with EVs is that the range you see quoted is just not what you should expect to see in real world use. As others have noted, you should only charge up to 80% unless you're going on a trip. If I'm going on a trip, I try to avoid charging up to 100%, because that will disable regenerative braking until there's enough lost capacity to enable it. (I usually go to 95%.) However, there are still other aspects to EVs that make them not as effective on longer trips. One of the biggest problems is that the vast majority of EVs have a fixed gear ratio per motor. In my RWD Model 3, I see a severe hit to efficiency if I'm heavily utilizing high-speed interstates (70 MPH+).
A few years back, I took a trip that was 130 miles in each direction, and I decided to take the simpler more relaxing route, which was almost all interstate. Even though my car is rated for 330 miles at full charge (or ~315 at 95%), I couldn't make the 260-mile round trip without recharging. (This was also in December, so it was probably around 40-50F.) The real kicker is that there were two Supercharging stations on my way back, but only one of them was working, and I was worried that I'd even make it there. The malfunctioning one was even at the "local" Tesla Service Center.
I also took a 900-mile (per way) round trip back in 2019, and I didn't have a very good time overall. I ran into a few issues with chargers not working well with no indication of their significantly reduced capability on the car's navigation. Also -- and this is arguably devolving more into my numerous complaints about Tesla -- the fact that I can't suggest a minimum state of charge is infuriating. The sheer idea that it wanted me to arrive at destinations with 10% or less charge is ludicrous given that its estimation is based upon previous usage, which cannot account for vastly different terrain. For example, traveling over the interstate in Virginia involves a lot of hills, which aren't great for efficiency.
There's also just the little things that eat away at you. For the past few days, my back-up camera has been stuttering and freezing, which rendered it nearly useless. It got really bad this morning as my audio subsystem started messing up too as the audio would randomly cut out, and come back in with maybe one speaker playing the music. I had to REBOOT MY CAR to fix the problem. As I've grown older, there is one thing that became very apparent to me... sometimes in life, you care about certain items in your life being reliable and having them just work. I don't need to tell my boss I'm going to be a few minutes late because my car needed to reboot.
Ultimately, what I dislike about Tesla can be summed up with this opinion... I don't think Tesla drives their own cars. There's no way someone could consider the user experience in that car to be acceptable if they actually had to use it every day. (I know Tesla people do actually drive the cars; it's meant to be slight hyperbole.)
I don't find it too bad once everything is setup as most of the things I would want to do is handled automatically (including HVAC). When it inevitably isn't setup right it's a pain drilling down menus to get to a control or trying to hit touch sensitive targets while driving.My husband has a Tesla and this is his chief complaint especially since things move in the interface...
He plans to sell it eventually and get something else as more options come to market. My kingdom for a Golf sized EV hot hatch from VW with good range but everybody here wants SUVs and trucks.
I only have two left. I miss the 200W floor lamp of Ra.YOU KEEP YER FILTHY PAWS OFF MY FIRE HAZARD HALOGENS! lol
Can't argue with that, I have a Garmin with a larger display set up in my VW that allows me to see that kind of detail.Although, there is one thing that I am fond of... how a larger screen actually provides useful maps. I've never been a huge fan of maps in cars as the screen is often so small that the only thing it's good for is navigation commands. (Just hope you don't need to reroute quickly.) With Tesla's larger screen, which you only get some of that dedicated to the map, I can actually use quick glances to navigate manually just using the map. Being able to look over quickly and say, "I'm approaching ____ street; the one I need should be up next on the right." is rather nice. I've had navigation as an option since my 2007 car, and the Model 3 is the first car where I've felt that it was actually good.
I've never been in a vehicle with automatic HVAC that I liked the way the auto HVAC works, much prefer manual control.I don't find it too bad once everything is setup as most of the things I would want to do is handled automatically (including HVAC). When it inevitably isn't setup right it's a pain drilling down menus to get to a control or trying to hit touch sensitive targets while driving.
Sounds like a GREAT way to kill MA based Kia and Subaru dealerships. It's probably a half hour drive from anywhere in MA to the state line. Excellent news for dealers in CT, NH, VT and NY.
I only have two left. I miss the 200W floor lamp of Ra.
LOL, 500W Halogen lamps were very effective fly killers.To this day I can smell burning insect when I just see a pic of one of these things.
Maybe it was 500W. It was the only reason we didn't kill ourselves in the Kentucky winter, month after month of gray, gloomy drudgery.LOL, 500W Halogen lamps were very effective fly killers.
If only this had come out about 20 years ago. I say DOA.There will be a few that refuse to give up their brodozers, but not enough to matter. Electrics are good enough now for most people, improvements in battery's, charging, and infrastructure are still needed, but the tech is there.
The simple reality is operating cost for an electric is way lower than an ICE.
My only real gripe with electrics is the tendency to load them with gadgets. I don't need a Bluetooth washer fluid monitor, I don't need cabin mood lighting, or a howitzer sound system.
People are used to shitty buggy software until it powers their cars.I've had a Tesla Model 3 or around 3.5 years now, and I try to be quite clear about what I think are the downsides. Personally, if someone wanted to go green, I would suggest a plug-in hybrid over an EV unless they were heavily invested on the idea of an EV. My only complaint about any sort of hybrid setup is that you're mixing propulsion systems, which is effectively adding extra complexity. (I see additional complexity as just more things to break and more cost in the end.)
My biggest qualm with EVs is that the range you see quoted is just not what you should expect to see in real world use. As others have noted, you should only charge up to 80% unless you're going on a trip. If I'm going on a trip, I try to avoid charging up to 100%, because that will disable regenerative braking until there's enough lost capacity to enable it. (I usually go to 95%.) However, there are still other aspects to EVs that make them not as effective on longer trips. One of the biggest problems is that the vast majority of EVs have a fixed gear ratio per motor. In my RWD Model 3, I see a severe hit to efficiency if I'm heavily utilizing high-speed interstates (70 MPH+).
A few years back, I took a trip that was 130 miles in each direction, and I decided to take the simpler more relaxing route, which was almost all interstate. Even though my car is rated for 330 miles at full charge (or ~315 at 95%), I couldn't make the 260-mile round trip without recharging. (This was also in December, so it was probably around 40-50F.) The real kicker is that there were two Supercharging stations on my way back, but only one of them was working, and I was worried that I'd even make it there. The malfunctioning one was even at the "local" Tesla Service Center.
I also took a 900-mile (per way) round trip back in 2019, and I didn't have a very good time overall. I ran into a few issues with chargers not working well with no indication of their significantly reduced capability on the car's navigation. Also -- and this is arguably devolving more into my numerous complaints about Tesla -- the fact that I can't suggest a minimum state of charge is infuriating. The sheer idea that it wanted me to arrive at destinations with 10% or less charge is ludicrous given that its estimation is based upon previous usage, which cannot account for vastly different terrain. For example, traveling over the interstate in Virginia involves a lot of hills, which aren't great for efficiency.
There's also just the little things that eat away at you. For the past few days, my back-up camera has been stuttering and freezing, which rendered it nearly useless. It got really bad this morning as my audio subsystem started messing up too as the audio would randomly cut out, and come back in with maybe one speaker playing the music. I had to REBOOT MY CAR to fix the problem. As I've grown older, there is one thing that became very apparent to me... sometimes in life, you care about certain items in your life being reliable and having them just work. I don't need to tell my boss I'm going to be a few minutes late because my car needed to reboot.
Ultimately, what I dislike about Tesla can be summed up with this opinion... I don't think Tesla drives their own cars. There's no way someone could consider the user experience in that car to be acceptable if they actually had to use it every day. (I know Tesla people do actually drive the cars; it's meant to be slight hyperbole.)
My biggest problems with them are the fact that the batteries only last a few years and you can't replace them yourself.
Regarding infrastructure, while it be there in the large cities and major industrialized areas, it isn't anywhere else. I think in my entire county, there is exactly one known charger and it isn't even available to the public (the local steel mill installed one for the exclusive use of their very rich CEO and his excessively rich friends).
I personally hope for a breakthrough on hydrogen power. I know they have made strides with creation of hydrogen on demand very recently, but who knows how long it will take to actually get something useable.
Where do you get this from?My biggest problems with them are the fact that the batteries only last a few years
I only have two left. I miss the 200W floor lamp of Ra.
Yeah, they were bright as hell on full power (most of them had the turn knob dimmer switch), but they also could start fires with how hot they got, and it didn't take long to heat up after turning it on. After it was on for 8 hours straight, you better not put your hand near the top of it, lol.Maybe it was 500W. It was the only reason we didn't kill ourselves in the Kentucky winter, month after month of gray, gloomy drudgery.
I’ve got an electric car. Here’s the long and short of it.
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience. I haven't ran into a single person with an electric vehicle yet. So it's interesting to see how it's working out.
Tesla superchargers for example are about $0.25 / kWh.
Those 1st gen units had their own issues.I'd just like to take this moment and remind everyone that allegedly we could have had electric cars a hundred years ago and all of this would be moot.