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sportage

Lifer
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There are millions of trumpies and Q's who get their marching orders directly from fox news. And thus, if fox news promotes this, it will go mainstream for millions out there. We know that the gasoline operated automobile will be phased out over much time by the EV. No one from the government will "come to take your car", as fox news preaches to its audience. Try telling that to a fox viewer.
 
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kt

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Well, if the government want to take my ICE car they are welcome to offer me a fair price for it. Mine is all paid for, so it will be a while before I buy another but my next car will hopefully be an EV though.
 
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dainthomas

Lifer
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If I was in the market right now I'd for sure be looking at the Ford Lightning.

Something in the high 90th percentile of all auto trips are commuting/other local trips. These fall well in range of every electric. Not sure what reason someone would have to not get one (other than cost which is nosediving).
 
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If I was in the market right now I'd for sure be looking at the Ford Lightning.

Something in the high 90th percentile of all auto trips are commuting/other local trips. These fall well in range of every electric. Not sure what reason someone would have to not get one (other than cost which is nosediving).
Car buying is not a rational exercise. If it was, most people wouldn't be buying gas guzzling SUVs and pickup trucks, and they would pay for home delivery (or rent a truck) when they buy their one-off oversized items once every other year.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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just as a FYI Kia is really fighting the right to repair more aggressively other manufacturers
I thought about buying a Kia, looked under hood, then watched some maintenance videos and was like "Nope."

Several of their cars you have to pull off the stupid engine cover to add oil.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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I thought about buying a Kia, looked under hood, then watched some maintenance videos and was like "Nope."

Several of their cars you have to pull off the stupid engine cover to add oil.

So many are moving to stuff like that. But they are also moving to synthetic so it's not like you are on the old 3 month/3000 mile schedule anyway. Like once a year. But you usually have to remove under body cladding, use special cartridge tools, ect.

But with an EV... not a problem
 

dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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There will be a few that refuse to give up their brodozers, but not enough to matter. Electrics are good enough now for most people, improvements in battery's, charging, and infrastructure are still needed, but the tech is there.
The simple reality is operating cost for an electric is way lower than an ICE.
My only real gripe with electrics is the tendency to load them with gadgets. I don't need a Bluetooth washer fluid monitor, I don't need cabin mood lighting, or a howitzer sound system.
I agrre with most of your gripes expect for the sound system, every so often I do need to return fire.
 

vi edit

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One thing that's hard to appreciate until you experience it is how quiet EV's are in the cabin (or at least the higher end ones) and what that does for music. You can keep it at a much more conversational level and appreciate more of the details of the music than an ICE with more engine/drivetrain buzz.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
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So many are moving to stuff like that. But they are also moving to synthetic so it's not like you are on the old 3 month/3000 mile schedule anyway. Like once a year. But you usually have to remove under body cladding, use special cartridge tools, ect.

But with an EV... not a problem

My 2007 Prius was pretty much a shade tree mechanic's delight (with the exception of headlight bulb changing). We now have a 2015 and 2020, both of which have restorted to the special tools, cartridge type oil filters, body cladding like you describe-unless one is really, really skinny and very adept it is essentially impossible todo an oil change without a carlift. Synthetic oil now required also-but the service department and independent shops still insist that 5k oil changes are required. I was aware of this behavior when I bought the later models but decided they will still the best option to purchase.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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My 2007 Prius was pretty much a shade tree mechanic's delight (with the exception of headlight bulb changing). We now have a 2015 and 2020, both of which have restorted to the special tools, cartridge type oil filters, body cladding like you describe-unless one is really, really skinny and very adept it is essentially impossible todo an oil change without a carlift. Synthetic oil now required also-but the service department and independent shops still insist that 5k oil changes are required. I was aware of this behavior when I bought the later models but decided they will still the best option to purchase.

https://www.amazon.com/RhinoGear-11912-RhinoRamps-Vehicle-Ramps/dp/B0117EESNC Safer than using a floorjack for oil changes
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WD64H8Z/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 means the only messy part is undoing the filter.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XTAGHU0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Filter wrench
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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So many are moving to stuff like that. But they are also moving to synthetic so it's not like you are on the old 3 month/3000 mile schedule anyway. Like once a year. But you usually have to remove under body cladding, use special cartridge tools, ect.

But with an EV... not a problem
Meanwhile Subaru put the filter right on top.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Everything that I predicted in my opening thread / post HAS NOW BEGUN.
Fox news ingraham angle, telling her audience that... THE GOVERNMENT IS COMING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR CARS, if it runs on gasoline.
And while trying to scare people, ingraham displayed in the background a photo of Pete Buttigieg photoshopped as THE DEVIL.
Then, ingraham ranted about the electric car as ""government control"", where THE BIG BAD GOVERNMENT can hit THE KILL SWITCH (her words) and render your electric car inoperable.
LOL
As if the Big Bad Government couldn't have a kill switch enabled in any modern computerized ICE automobile if that's what they really wanted to do.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Yeah, the filter on top started in 2012 on the Outback 2.5, IIRC. The H6 was done away with instead of upgrading it.
Probably for the best anyway. I was surprised how well the Ascent I had as a loaner did with the 2.4 turbo. Being a dealership loaner, I was... not gentle with it
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Probably for the best anyway. I was surprised how well the Ascent I had as a loaner did with the 2.4 turbo. Being a dealership loaner, I was... not gentle with it
Yeah, I had one as a loaner twice for a month. I was quite happy with it's performance.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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My 2007 Prius was pretty much a shade tree mechanic's delight (with the exception of headlight bulb changing). We now have a 2015 and 2020, both of which have restorted to the special tools, cartridge type oil filters, body cladding like you describe-unless one is really, really skinny and very adept it is essentially impossible todo an oil change without a carlift. Synthetic oil now required also-but the service department and independent shops still insist that 5k oil changes are required. I was aware of this behavior when I bought the later models but decided they will still the best option to purchase.
When your gauge tells you, you still have 40% life left.
I always ignore the sticker they put on your windshield. Somehow the dealer gave away my data to Carfax, so now they bug me. They don't seem to understand, I hardly go anywhere since the pandemic. I do need to make an appointment though, I'm down to 10% now.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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One thing that's hard to appreciate until you experience it is how quiet EV's are in the cabin (or at least the higher end ones) and what that does for music. You can keep it at a much more conversational level and appreciate more of the details of the music than an ICE with more engine/drivetrain buzz.

Yes but I own a Prius and it's pretty darn quiet almost all the time.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Stokely

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My car is paid off, I don't see the next one(s) after that ever being anything but fully electric.

My wife wants and electric but she wants a Tesla...her choice but I wouldn't touch one. Not the best reviews and I don't want to put a dime into that dickhead's pocket if I can help it. I'm personally interested in the electric Kia Telluride (EV9) that is supposed to come out next year. And also the Lightning, even though an enclosed van or suv is more useful to me. Speaking of vans, how about some electric minivans already...I have a lot of gear to move every weekend and there are times I miss our old kid-moving Odyssey.

They definitely need to beef up the charging grids, and that includes coming up with one standard IMO. I saw a blog where someone took a cross country road trip and more than half of the chargers (that he needed) were either not working or had issues. The same effort needs to go into these that go into keeping gas stations running.

Speaking of gas and oil...it's pretty mind-blowing that anyone would ever miss them. Shows you how partisan anything can be. If democrats started featuring pizza in every ad you can bet pizza would become the worse food ever for half the country...
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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As an update to electric cars and the partisan narrative surrounding them.....
America's electric grid and energy generation may need a serious upgrade if we are to support this.
And of course, Republicans will oppose such things.

Imagine the message the state of California just sent to the EV industry.
California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
Fox is salivating at the opportunity.
My car is paid off, I don't see the next one(s) after that ever being anything but fully electric.

My wife wants and electric but she wants a Tesla...her choice but I wouldn't touch one. Not the best reviews and I don't want to put a dime into that dickhead's pocket if I can help it. I'm personally interested in the electric Kia Telluride (EV9) that is supposed to come out next year. And also the Lightning, even though an enclosed van or suv is more useful to me. Speaking of vans, how about some electric minivans already...I have a lot of gear to move every weekend and there are times I miss our old kid-moving Odyssey.

They definitely need to beef up the charging grids, and that includes coming up with one standard IMO. I saw a blog where someone took a cross country road trip and more than half of the chargers (that he needed) were either not working or had issues. The same effort needs to go into these that go into keeping gas stations running.

Speaking of gas and oil...it's pretty mind-blowing that anyone would ever miss them. Shows you how partisan anything can be. If democrats started featuring pizza in every ad you can bet pizza would become the worse food ever for half the country...
I’ve posted this a couple of places but the grid is not really an issue for charging EVs (during summer peaks excepted but of course that hits everything including AC equally)

Let’s look at our crappy Texas grid and how many extra EVs we could charge without making any significant changes to operations (including building additional generation)

Demand at midnight is ~ approximately 14GW lower than the committed capacity. (a good reason for the power companies to offer cheaper power overnight since they don’t like large swings in demand)

By 8AM the delta is about 9.5GW

At 8PM the delta is about 7GW rising to 9GW by midnight.

So from 12:00AM - 8:00AM let’s call it an average of 11.75GW x 8 hours = 94GWH

And from 8:00PM - 11:59PM another 8GW x 4 hours = 32GWH

Now most EV owners charge their cars at night. For Texas today that’s a total of 126GWH of overnight margin. Now charging generally has losses of about 16% so let’s call
it 105GWH

My 2021 M3 LR gets about 4 miles / kWh while something like an F150 Lightning will get around 2 miles / kWh. SUVs like the Y will get around 3.5miles/ kWh

Out of the the 24 million registered cars in Texas about 4.5M are pickups so let’s assume an average BEV fleet economy of around 3.5 miles/kWh

That means the 105GWH of overnight margin could recharge 370M miles of range.

The average Texan drives 45 miles / day so that’s enough power to recharge 8.2M EVs or 34% of the total number of vehicles in Texas. That’s without changing how the grid is operated except for maybe maintaining a slightly higher committed capacity as demand narrows the margin.

They try to keep a minimum 3.5GW margin between demand & supply. Today there’s an average of 7GW of difference between the forecasted demand and the committed capacity. That’s enough To charge another 2.75M cars for a total of 11M cars or 46% of all cars on the road in Texas.

The Grid is fine. Almost 50% of cars could be BEVs without increasing the day to day peak power. Not the all time peak, just the daily peaks
. If they were to run the grid at it’s all time peak 24 hours a day they could easily replace 100%.

The real issue is the availability of level 2 charging for people who don’t have access to garages or driveways with power.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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As an update to electric cars and the partisan narrative surrounding them.....
America's electric grid and energy generation may need a serious upgrade if we are to support this.
And of course, Republicans will oppose such things.

Imagine the message the state of California just sent to the EV industry.
California asks residents not to charge electric vehicles, days after announcing gas car ban
Fox is salivating at the opportunity.

Ok, we also ask people to not fill up their cars with gas during the day when it's hot and ozone is high. The headline is misleading since really the ask is for people to charge during off peak hours.
 
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K1052

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The real issue is the availability of level 2 charging for people who don’t have access to garages or driveways with power.

The people who did not have chargers at their apartments in Austin seemed to mostly charge at work during the day plus catch the occasional supercharge if driving a Tesla.

When we moved to CA one of the requirements was that our new place have at least shared charging in the garage which has been fine.
 
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Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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No, it will be more like the switch from incandescent bulbs to CFLs. A few crazies but the country will move on just fine.


CFL's suck balls compared to incandescents. (LED's however are fine)

Note that I'm VERY "flicker-sensitive".... for example anything lower than a 90hz vertical refresh-rate on a CRT gives me a headache and so does any extended reading under a CFL. (or the not compact long-tube kind!)
 
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Paratus

Lifer
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The people who did not have chargers at their apartments in Austin seemed to mostly charge at work during the day plus catch the occasional supercharge if driving a Tesla.

When we moved to CA one of the requirements was that our new place have at least shared charging in the garage which has been fine.
If you can charge regularly at home or at work I think an EV can definitely work today. With the resale prices even if you lose your job with access to charging it’s easy to sell the EV.

We stayed in an Airbnb in CA this summer. It was behind the owners house and they had two BMW i3’s. They had to move cars around and stretch the charger over their other car in the driveway but it seemed to work for them with multiple cars.

For me I’ve been parking my EV in the driveway recently since that side of the garage has some wood working projects I have to finish. The good news is I mounted the charger by the door so I can just back the car up the driveway and run the cable under the garage door.
 
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